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The creepiest coverage of the disturbed Christian missionary who was killed by the Sentinelese tribe was by a Russian blogger who concluded this story with, “This is exactly like Putin who wants to isolate himself from the world and shoot anybody who approaches and tries to civilize him.”

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  1. You know, Putin is very civilized unlike this tribe. I have just read a few articles in English on the issue and it is very disturbing to read about the Sentinelese people being treated like endangered animal species with “do not disturb their habitat” rhetoric.

    // Members of the tribe fired arrows at Indian government helicopters that passed over the island after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, and again in February 2006 after two fishermen were killed by the tribespeople when their boat became unmoored at night and drifted to the shore.

    Why are they permitted to behave thus? If I start murdering fishermen or, in my case, illegal Palestinians and African migrants, will someone say “we must not disturb [them] or their habitat” and “it is a highly sensitive zone” too?

    We discussed the double standards applied to Israel vs Palestinians, but here it’s much worse. Imo, I either treat people like fully human with all involved mutual responsibilities or like wild animals like ISIS. Here they are permitted to murder anyone coming close to them without repercussions.

    Also, declaring they lack immunity to disease without doing anything about it just postphones the day in which they are all wiped out by disease, perhaps intentionally either by somebody mentally sick or by somebody seeking to enrich themselves (their company) via use of ‘their’ land.

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  2. Just found an interesting book via Mike’s blog:

    “Them: Why We Hate Each Other — and How to Heal,” by Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska. Mr. Sasse argues that “loneliness is killing us,” citing, among other things, the skyrocketing rates of suicide and overdose deaths in America.

    In the “siloed,” or isolated, worlds of cable television, ideological punditry, campus politics and social media, people find a sense of community in the polarized tribes forming on the left and the right in America. Essentially, people locate their sense of “us” through the contempt peddled about “them” on the other side of the political spectrum.

    One reason is the changing nature of work.

    Mr. Sasse worries even more, however, about a pervasive feeling of homelessness: Too many Americans don’t have a place they think of as home — … we increasingly lack that “hometown gym on a Friday night feeling.”

    Mr. Sasse finds this phrase irresistible and warmly relates it to his own life growing up in Fremont, Neb., a town of 26,000 residents. … after moving away for a couple of decades for school and work, when he returned to Fremont’s small-town life with his family… Mr. Sasse charmingly describes the sense of being rooted that it gives him, at a robust and healthy 46, to own a burial plot for himself in Fremont’s local cemetery.

    Is a thick community and the happiness it brings out of reach for rootless cosmopolitans like us?

    I recently put these questions to Mr. Sasse. He told me I had it all wrong — that moving back home and going to the gym on Friday aren’t actually the point; rather, the trick is “learning how to intentionally invest in the places where we actually live.” In other words, being a member of a community isn’t about whether I have a Fremont. It isn’t about how I feel about any place I have lived, nor about my fear of isolation in a new city. It is about the neighbor I choose to be in the community I wind up calling my home.

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    1. It’s like saying that you have to be a good, faithful, committed spouse to any casual lay. It’s a fantasy. The “Friday night gym” feeling is created by many years of presence in a place and comfortable familiarity. And yes, it’s something that the permanently transient sacrifice. And that creates trauma that makes it harder to feel anything for any new place.

      People are not robots. You can’t press a button and turn on a sense of comfort and love.

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  3. First of all, I really don’t understand this insane need to make other people convert to your religion and beliefs. There are tribes in the world that want to live in Medieval Ages, they have never contacted with civilization and treat anyone unknown as a threat to their tribe. For example, Indians living in Brazilian Amazon River region — when they see a helicopter or a plane, they take it for a huge bird and throw arrows in it. The missionary who was killed was warned it was dangerous to approach those tribal people, but went anyway… I agree with the quote about putin. He has a huge imperialistic complex of superiority, moreover, his arrogance is unbelievable. He can not be civilized because he thinks he is the most civilized of all people living on the planet Earth.

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    1. “First of all, I really don’t understand this insane need to make other people convert to your religion and beliefs.”

      Of the three Abrahamic religions — Judaism, Islam, and Christianity — Judaism and
      Islam are tribal: You have to be born into those religions to be accepted by their most orthodox members.

      By contrast, Christianity is an evangelical religion, and so its missionaries are obligated to spread the “gospel” (literally, “good news”) all over the world.

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      1. I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian and we are not obligated to spread the gospel or convert people into our religion. I believe it’s more of a Protestant Religion style. So for me, personally, it’s unacceptable to be the game of missionaries. I will never betray my Church and my beliefs. I have friends who are Baptists and I don’t appreciate their constant desire to make me a Baptist as well. It won’t happen. Not in this life.

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        1. One of the readers of this blog is an Orthodox missionary. I hope he participates in this discussion and tells us about his work.

          Former Soviet countries had all real understanding of religion stripped away from us generations ago. It’s tragic but it’s a fact.

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          1. Believe me, I deeply believe in God. Not everyone in his life had the experience and challenges I have been through. I am 200% sure it has been His will and His guidance. Nevertheless, it’s a very private matter and I highly dislike other people intruding in my inner beliefs and my soul. That’s how I feel facing those missionaries

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          2. The last thing is that my great great grandfather was a priest and spent 15 years in Siberia. Even living in the USSR my ancestors never stopped believing in God and practicing our religion. Not all people were deprived of real understanding of religion.

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              1. Look, I’m happy to have you on the blog. It’s good to have a Ukrainian person here. But I don’t put up with this passive-aggressive stuff. It’s impossible to know everything. So if things are pointed out to you that you don’t know (like this discussion about the centrality of proselytizing in Christianity), the adult thing is to say thank you and move on instead of engaging in these defense tactics.

                I hope I made myself understood and we don’t have to have this conversation again.

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              2. I truly thanked you for giving me an idea! I was “dancing” around this subject but never actually touched it, though I have been in many situations where I was lost because of unknown acronyms. Sorry if I, somehow, offended you or your beliefs. I simply expressed mine. Btw, many Ukrainians in fb have the same opinion on the unfortunate murder of the missionary by the tribal people. I thought it could be interesting to know that we sincerely don’t understand his actions. And I used examples from my personal life to prove my point. I apologize if you felt aggression from me. I am not aggressive but I do have strong beliefs and so does my family. Living in the FSU has nothing to do with them. Again, sorry!

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      2. “Judaism and Islam are tribal: You have to be born into those religions to be accepted by their most orthodox members”

        That’s completely wrong about Islam (otherwise it wouldn’t have spread so far, though modern muslims consider children of muslim parents to be automatically muslim).
        Jews have often prevented from proselytizing, legally (or with violence) but when conditions permit they can and do proselytize.
        Though again English is let down by the lack of a clear distinction between ethnic and religious Jewishness…

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        1. \ Jews have often prevented from proselytizing, legally (or with violence) but when conditions permit they can and do proselytize.

          As far as I know, Jews proselytize only to other ethnic Jews who are not religious. Have you seen different cases?

          I only read about proselytizing to not Jewish spouses of American Jews on websites of American Jews.

          In addition, Israel encourages a conversion of people who immigrated via Law of Return but are not defined as Jews. There is a special program for such IDF soldiers who can start the simplified process during army service. Usually female soldiers are the ones choosing to undergo it since only mother defines whether a child is considered Jewish.

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          1. “Have you seen different cases?”

            Not many, but yes. Apparently it’s sort of a minority opinion that it’s appropriate but it happens. For a quick example see this (the title is in the form of a question but the answer is quickly revealed to be ‘yes’)

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            1. Originally, Judaism was very much into proselytizing. After the destruction of the 2nd temple, there was a debate on whether to proselytize in these circumstances. Eventually, proselytizing was taken out of the question by the conditions of life in the diaspora. For Jews, proselytizing would have been extremely dangerous, so they had to give up on it.

              At its core, however, the religion definitely lends itself to proselytizing efforts.

              All three major monotheistic religions are absolutely based on the idea that the religion is based on the divine revelation. This is why it is not possible within these religions to accept that “your religion is as good as mine.” Rejecting the divine nature of the revelation for all 3 is the same as rejecting the faith altogether. It’s utterly hypocritical to expect religous people in these 3 religious traditions to accept that their faith is “just one consumer choice against many.”

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    2. Christians believe that they are putting the eternal souls of others in danger if they fail to bring the good news of the gospel to them. It’s like having an abundant supply of water and letting people in front of you die of thirst. It’s the thirst of the soul and not of the body but it’s no less real to the faithful.

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      1. I am judging from my own perspective, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian and I have never heard of a priest that I have to spread the gospel. As far as I understand, it’s mostly Protestant approach to faith and religion. I find it too invasive. When they start “preaching “ me about Holy Mary or pointing out icons in my house as something bad, I only wish for them to leave, the sooner the better.

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        1. You’ve never heard of Catholic missionaries, you mean? :-)))

          Why did Columbus sail to look for new lands, according to his agreement with the Catholic King and Queen?

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          1. Let’s just say, I have never met any Catholic missionaries. My husband is Catholic and he has no problem with me being of a slightly different religion. But I met lots of Baptists, Evangelists, etc. I belong to the Protestant brunch of Christianity.

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          2. Yeah, historically, the vast majority of Christian missionaries have been Catholic, following the European conquering armies as they spread Western civilization around the world. That’s why all the countries in Central and South America have majority Catholic populations.

            But it was the Protestants’ earthly “work ethic” that made Western civilization the dominant political force on this planet, and not the Catholic quest to save souls.

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  4. My maternal grandfather was a Presbyterian minister, who believed very strongly in the gospel that he preached. I never really knew him. His mind was lost in what was then called “hardening of the arteries” when I was a child in the 1950’s.

    My older sister told me a story about him: As a young teenage girl, she’d wanted a pair of blue jeans. My prudish mother and grandmother scolded her that “he” wouldn’t approve of apparel like that.

    As soon as my minister grandfather heard that, he went out and bought my sister a pair of those evil blue jeans himself — and that ended the conversation.

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  5. Well I don’t know that the comparison to Putin is very apt but if somebody comes to conquer and colonize your country and force their god on you, a couple of warning shots first then one smack through the gizzard seems like a good idea. Native Americans were initially nice to the Europeans and where did that get them?

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    1. The real problem here is that the indigenous here probably have no immunity to the terms this guy was carrying. Accepting him might have meant extermination for them. And he should have known enough to realize that he was a literal angel of death to them.

      But I believe he’s mentally ill after seeing excerpts from his diary.

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