Pot and Violence

When I said pot could make people violent, everybody protested. Turns out I was absolutely right.

And there is a piece on the same subject in The New Yorker.

I always thought, and now believe this more than ever, that the only reason Trudeau legalized pot in Canada is because he is an aggressive and unapologetic promoter of neoliberal globalization. People need to be stupidified into incoherence so that they don’t notice what he and his cronies are doing.

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13 thoughts on “Pot and Violence”

  1. My professor has done research related to this! I’ll send you it if I can find it. He still favors legalization, as do I, but people will paper over evidence to present a simpler narrative

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  2. Medical “Hold it!” alert:

    Alex Berenson should stick to writing fiction! Every intelligent person knows that significant substance abuse of any kind is harmful physically and mentally to the abuser. (Over-medicating on steroids can result in actively psychotic rages; so can overdosing on thyroid medication, etc.) Anyone who thinks that marijuana usage is harmless is either very naive or has a political agenda, or both.

    But the idea that marijuana use is a primary CAUSE of severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder is over-the-top nonsense. There is NO known single cause for either of those disorders after many decades of medical research, and NONE of the studies than Berenson references succeeds in demonstrating causation rather than correlation.

    As for the claims that the rate of schizophrenia is increasing worldwide, other studies have suggested that the diagnosis rate is actually declining somewhat. Over the decades since the illness was first defined, the diagnosis rate in various countries has waxed and waned periodically, depending on the psychiatric diagnostic fads of the time.

    I have NEVER been in favor of legalizing non-medical marijuana, and have voted against it every time that it’s been on the ballot here in Arizona. But a “Reefer Madness” scare-everybody-to-death approach isn’t going to be any more effective than screaming bloody murder about the U.S. border with Mexico.

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      1. “Okay, so let’s ban alcohol for the same reason!”

        Okay, David, let’s do a little homework about the attempt to ban evil, addictive products in the U.S., like cigarettes and alcohol.

        Prior to Word War I, multiple states had successfully passed laws making smoking completely illegal, and there was a big national drive to finish the job. (If you doubt this, do some Google research!) What turned the tide? After the U.S forces were deployed to Europe, the various American cigarette companies sent thousands of free packs of cigarettes to American soldiers — and none other than the U.S. Supreme commander, Gen. “Black Jack” Pershing, publicly stated to America,“You ask me what we need to win this war. I answer, tobacco as much as bullets.”

        This quickly ended any stateside effort to outlaw cigarettes. Twenty years later during WWI, the cigarette companies weren’t allowed to give away free smokes to the troops, but they were made available for sell at dirt-cheap rates. No serious effort has been made to ban cigarettes in America since then, because everyone knows that outlawed cigarettes would be illegally imported into the U.S. (or easily cross state lines into banned states from legal ones) as contraband.

        As for prohibition against alcohol, we’ve all seen the movies and TV shows about Al Capone and the Mafia, and how the “Noble Experiment” gave rise to the biggest surge of organized crime in U. S. history.

        Nobody is stupid enough to try to repeat these failures concerning tobacco and alcohol.
        We all agree that they’re lost causes.

        Marijuana usage is STILL illegal nationwide at the Federal level, and it was the liberal hero Obama who instructed his Department of Justice to look the other way while one state after the other thumbed its nose at Federal law. It’s probably too late at this point to stop its nationwide spread — but as long as it’s a choice on the state ballet, sensible people like me can still vote our objections.

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        1. This is fascinating, Dreidel.

          I’d never vote for legalization of pot either. I’d vote against jailing users (as opposed to vendors) but I’d never support legalization.

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    1. I just smoked pot legally in Canada. According to my observations, I’d need about ten shots of hard liquor to get in the same state as I did from a single joint shared with 4 other people.

      No, the analogy doesn’t work.

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      1. So, maybe pot (with too much THC, probably) is too bad for you, like booze is too bad for many native Americans. But for many others, it not so bad (without abusing it) and for many, way better and less addictive than legal opioid for pain.

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  3. There was a quite active drug culture in the large public high school that I attended. From the stoners I knew there, what struck me as maybe most dangerous about pot is how chronically you can use it.

    I don’t think one could really be functional while being drunk all the time, the effects would eventually be too obvious. But I knew pot smokers in high school who seemed to be at least mildly buzzed for much of the day every single day. For years. They got away with it because they could still show up to class, squeak by with passing grades, and not attract attention.

    And of course during those particular (teenage) years, your going through all sorts of big changes as you transition into adulthood. If you can just check out of the whole process by toking up, I think some critical things fail to happen. Certainly it seems like the really chronic stoners I knew never really became fully formed adults. And I’m just talking about the psychological effects, I have know idea how someone’s physiology is effected by being chronically stoned during important developmental years.

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