Boris Johnson what?

I thought it was a joke but it looks true. What happened while I was in the air on my extremely short flight to Madrid?

And how was it worth getting rid of May? It’s a sincere question. I’m clearly not very good on British politics.


35 thoughts on “BJ”

  1. I wish it was a joke. We knew what was coming and Boris was the more dangerous of the two final candidates, not because Jeremy Hunt (guess what his nickname is..) isn’t atrocious, but because BJ has that additional characteristic, which he shares with the Donald. No not the terrible hair, it’s the big C, Charisma. Which means people will do things for him without really thinking too much.
    What’s also sad is he hasn’t been elected by the UK public. This was not a democratic process. Only paid up members of the conservative party were allowed to vote, so they think it was democratic.


      1. 🙃 I thought people liked Boris and liked to make memes of him because he was silly. (I came across a lot of Boris memes during one of my ill conceived projects.)

        At least he won’t say shit like Trump did in the last two days.
        Kabul demands explanation for Trump’s ‘wipe Afghanistan off the face of the Earth’ comments
        India denies Trump’s claim that it asked US to mediate in Kashmir conflict

        Or would he? What is the primary objection to Boris Johnson?


        1. I had this – probably very mistaken – impression of Brits as being more serious. Turns out they don’t care about anything but showmanship either.


      2. Thank you for BJ. I shall call him that forthwith. When I was small a BJ was what took longer to do on the toilet, ie. a Big Job!
        We were expecting him to become PM. BJ will not be better than useless May, he will probably be a damn side worse. The people who like him are those who fall for his comedic blustering. However he’s not a clown, he is a clever, arrogant, self serving, impatient, egotistical man with a temper and little ability to self censor. Let me repeat, we have not elected him as Prime Minister. Around 130,000 conservatives voted and he got two thirds of the ballots.

        Theresa May at least had the decency to call a general election when she was promoted to be an unelected prime minister. That was after Cameron ran away with his tail between his legs after the referendum didn’t go his way. The referendum was called to pacify the Eurosceptic wing of the Tory party. Cameron never expected the brexiteers to win. He was an ass.

        So this whole farrago, which has been going on for three + years and hasn’t finished yet, is because of infighting in the tory party. It had nothing to do with what is good for Britain, or even for England. It’s only about what’s good for the party of the ruling elite.

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        1. That’s what I thought. May – of whom I’m definitely not a fan, to put it mildly – still had to be better than BJ. She’s definitely horrible but I’m still flummoxed by all this.


    1. As an Australian, and so, has gone through 6 Prime Ministers in 10 years, I’ve never really liked this argument for a parliamentary system. We, the electorate, don’t have any say in who the Prime Minister is, we only have a say in who we choose to represent us in parliament. It is the party with the most votes that chooses the Prime Minister. Indeed, the PM, as a position, doesn’t even appear in the Australian Constitution.


  2. BJ as prime minister is basically the fruits of a comprehensive and systematic failure and breakdown of the political process in Britain.
    As I always say, the UK (esp London) is at the forefront of fluidity and will expose the biggest failings of fluidity one of which is the disintegration of any kind of public or state… authority.
    Since May’s ‘deal’ was all of the down sides of EU membership with none of the perks (and since the EU won’t or can’t be flexible enough to come up with an acceptable solution) the country has to prepare for a no deal exit or simply openly admit that the process of elections is meaningless…


  3. So now is the UK actually going through with the “hard” Brexit scheduled for Oct 31st that reasonable people never thought would actually happen??

    Europe is in for a VERY interesting autumn!


      1. I’ll be glad to change my mind about him if he manages to do it.

        At this point, even those who voted against Brexit should be demanding that it happen. Because when democracy is so blatantly discarded and not taken seriously, that’s bad for everybody. It’s absolutely egregious what happened with Brexit.


      2. Most of the British People did not ask for Brexit. The UK population is around 65 million. 17 million voted for Brexit in a referendum 3+ years ago. Everybody else, around 48 million, in the 4 countries involved, did not vote for Brexit. This is democracy, apparently.


        1. Yes, that’s democracy. And it stinks but it’s better than any alternative. Brexit won at the polls. As you said, it was years ago. And there’s still no Brexit. That can’t be acceptable to people who want democracy.


          1. The Brexit train wreck is now speeding down the rails like a runaway train, and is scheduled to smash the EU central terminal into rubble on the traditional American night of horror, 31 Oct, Halloween. The Continental-wide question is what that massive train wreck will do to Europe as whole. The more relevant question for the UK is what it will do to the “soft border” that has kept the peace between Northern Ireland, which is an integral part of the UK, and the Republic of Ireland, which is an independent country that, as a remaining EU member, s going to demand the same right to open-border crossings into the non-member UK that it’s enjoyed for decades.


            1. I think the issue with Ireland can be negotiated separately and without too much fuss.

              But at this point, any opposition to the original Brexit vote several years ago should, in my opinion, give way to a concern over the fact that the results of the vote are so blatantly disregarded. People should be angry about this irrespective of their beliefs about the original pro-Brexit vote.

              What I don’t get is how people fail to realize that anti-democratic tendencies will end up hurting them, too. If your opponents’ vote doesn’t matter, yours doesn’t either. This is bad for all of us.


              1. “I think the issue with Ireland can be negotiated…without too much fuss.”

                I don’t think so. It’s either going to be an open, unchecked entry point from an EU country (Ireland) into the UK — which was the main issue that brought the Brexit vote to a head, anyway — or you’re going to have some very hostile Irishmen on both sides of the border.


          2. But in a democracy, people should also be allowed to change their minds. A lot of people who voted for Brexit have changed their minds, especially in view of no-deal brexit. Yet apparently we are not allowed to have another referendum, we have to have the probably disastrous and irreversible state of affairs which BJ’s no deal brexit will bring, because to have another one, and let people vote, would be undemocratic. I don’t think I believe in this form of democracy.

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            1. A lot of people who voted for, say, Obama in 2008 changed their minds very fast when they saw how he was handling the recession. His approvals tanked. Should he have been removed out of office six months after election because it looked like many people changed their minds? How often should elections be held to ascertain minds haven’t changed? Every month? Every week?

              There is no form of democracy where you keep voting and revoting until “the correct” result is achieved.


        2. “This is democracy, apparently”

          Exactly! Only the votes of people who actually vote count. Counting all those who did not vote as being against Brexit is very disingenuous and can be used to discredit almost every single electoral result.
          To not go through with Brexit at this point is an open admission that voters no longer have any influence on policy. Even if you agree with the short term goal… that’s a very bad precedent to set and will be used against those who support it sooner or later.


          1. In any functioning democracy, the majority of people don’t show up to vote if given that opportunity. In the US, even in the presidential elections (which are the best attended) the largest voting bloc is that of people who don’t show up to vote. It’s 100 million people who don’t show up. In contrast, both Trump and Hillary got 60-something million each.

            If we consider all elections where people don’t bother to vote as invalid, we’d never have elections at all.


      3. That’s the biggest upside for me. Also it’s totally why he won; the people who voted for Brexit are understandably unhappy that it hasn’t happened yet and that some people are talking about ignoring the whole thing and staying in the EU.


  4. Tomer Persico has an essay on “the subversive New Right” in America and Israel. His argument is that elements of the right now get to have an antinomian charisma that previously only the left could have, because now elite culture is dominated by left-liberal thinking. If I were to seek meaning in the rise of Boris Johnson, I would start here, with the idea that he’s an Oxford University version of Trump, self-deprecating where Trump is self-promoting, but similarly shocking the progressive bourgeoisie by his disregard for their proprieties, and in a trolling, deniable way, rather than with the strident passion of an Enoch Powell.

    (In arriving at this picture, I also benefited from an ambiguous appreciation of Boris, carried by Quillette.)


  5. Do I remember wrong or wasn’t the vote advisory somehow — wasn’t what happened going to depend on how the deal was shaped up, what people thought of it then, and/or wasn’t the vote for Parliament to seriously consider it, not for it to happen for sure? Isn’t that why they’re still trying to figure out what Brexit would actually be?


    1. “Do I remember wrong or wasn’t the vote advisory somehow”

      They kept banging on (British idiom alert!) about how it was the final answer and there would never be another referendum again (this of course before the voters didn’t do what they were supposed to).

      “wasn’t what happened going to depend on how the deal was shaped up”

      The EU does not ‘deal’ or ‘compromise’ or ‘negotiate’ it sets out terms and that’s that. I’m actually a big supporter of the EU (from around 12 years ago) but it’s become unwieldy and never bends…. if it breaks that will be the reason…

      At this point, if they even want to maintain the illusion of democracy in the UK it’s a no deal Brexit or plain admit that voter decisions are unimportant and count for nothing.


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