Cruel Vegans

I don’t understand this kind of people. I know a couple who are vegans and it’s very important to them. But with their small kids it’s not even a question. The kids eat a normal diet. Milk, eggs, meat. When I first met them and learned they were vegans, I cautiously asked if the kids were vegans, too. The answer was “we are vegans but we are not batshit crazy. Of course, we wouldn’t do this to our children.”

16 thoughts on “Cruel Vegans”

  1. I once heard a great proposal: Instead of persuading one person to go vegan, persuade 8 people to reduce their meat and dairy intake by 15% and you’re ahead of the game.

    I haven’t removed meat from my diet, but I’ve learned to make more vegetable dishes, bean casseroles, etc. Instead of focusing on what is allegedly bad to eat, I look for stuff that is good to eat and has less meat. It’s far more productive. And it’s a much better way to get people to reduce their meat, eggs, and dairy intake: Don’t promote what you’re removing, promote what you’re adding.

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    1. Small kids are normally not into meat a whole lot. Milk yes, sometimes eggs. Pasta is a hit with all kids I’ve met. Klara loves raw vegetables and salads if they have no salt. Soups.

      But vegan, gosh. That’s ridiculous.

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      1. You haven’t met my daughter… She just turned 4 and ever since she has been able to chew it, she’s been pretty into meat of all kinds. I once memorably cooked a tasty (beef) steak for myself as a treat when my husband was out of town (he’s not fond of steak), thinking that the kids would maybe have a few bites of it each. She ended up eating more of it than I did! But, yes, she also loves pasta too šŸ™‚

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        1. My niece is like this. šŸ™‚ She hates all food except for steak and mashed potatoes. And ice cream. No interest in anything else. It’s hilarious to see a very tiny 9-year-old order a 12 ounce steak while adults pick on salads.

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  2. It’s one thing to eat vegetarian at home; I know many families who do that and it’s no issue (they’re cooking Indian food, nobody’s gonna end up malnourished.) But no dairy? At a certain age kids need milk, that’s unambiguous (you can’t have a vegan baby.) And having a nourishing vegan diet is difficult even for adults; good luck ensuring kids, who may be picky eaters, get all the nutrients they need with a bunch of dietary restriction in place. Yes, you can get calcium from dark vegetables, no you’re not going to be able to get your 5 year old to eat a salad of dark leafy greens every day. And that’s to say nothing of protein (that in theory can be provided through legumes, but I don’t trust anyone with the typical American vegan diet to be able to cook appealing, bean laden meals.) Get a grip.

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    1. Kids’ bodies know what nutrients they need until adults mess up their system. If you let the kid guide you, it will be fine. Obviously, I’m talking about very small kids. Later in life, unfortunately, this great instinct tends to disappear.

      I give Klara sweets for example, whenever she wants. People look at me funny but I don’t want her to see dessert as something forbidden and passionately desired. She eats a ton of grains and vegetables, so it’s fine.

      Doesn’t like potatoes, though, which is weird.

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  3. It’s one thing to eat vegetarian at home; I know many families who do that and it’s no issue (they’re cooking Indian food, nobody’s gonna end up malnourished.) But no dairy? At a certain age kids need milk, that’s unambiguous (you can’t have a vegan baby.) And having a nourishing vegan diet is difficult even for adults; good luck ensuring kids, who may be picky eaters, get all the nutrients they need with a bunch of dietary restriction in place. Yes, you can get calcium from dark vegetables, no you’re not going to be able to get your 5 year old to eat a salad of dark leafy greens every day. And that’s to say nothing of protein (that in theory can be provided through legumes, but I don’t trust anyone with the typical American vegan diet to be able to cook appealing, bean laden meals.) Get a grip.

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  4. I think the reason a lot of vegans are so unhealthy is because there’s no real food tradition among vegans. Maybe shojin ryori, which seems to be followed by Buddhist monks. Otherwise, it’s a lot of substitutes in order to eat in a way wholly opposite of how most people learned to eat, especially westerners. Imagine trying to apply this new-strange-to-you diet to your kid.

    Court documents reveal she was fed oats, potatoes, rice, tofu, bread, peanut butter and rice milk. A mouthful of fruit or two sultanas were her snacks
    Translation: They lived on carbs, and undertook veganism as a way to shortcut their own weight loss. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had vitamin deficiencies as well.

    We’re going to hear about weird diseases from people going keto to lose weight next. It’s usually convenience and/or weight loss nonsense that drives a lot of dumb American diet practices.

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    1. You are right, it’s all carbs. Doesn’t sound all that healthy to me.

      It’s like that vegetarian I know who doses everything in huge amounts of ketchup to mask the taste of vegetables she doesn’t really like.

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    2. Yes! All so true. Part of why I’m more open to a vegetarian diet than a vegan one is that there’s a rich vegetarian food tradition. Vegetarian diets which don’t incorporate these traditions are a tragedy, imo. If you get vegetarian food made right you don’t even miss the meat, or so I’ve heard from many meat eaters (I’ve been a vegetarian so long I barely remember what meat tastes like so I’m the wrong person to ask; I never liked meat in the first place.)

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  5. Synchronicity in action! I just posted something about vegans (more specifically youtube vegan vloggers).

    https://cliffarroyo.wordpress.com/2019/08/22/what-ive-been-watching-neoreligious-purity-spiraling-edition/

    I don’t cover it in that post, but like all people of faith they have answers for cases like this and see it not as a problem with doctrine but with application (the parents were following the wrong vegan diet – yeah there are many vegan diets and disciples of one have very little tolerance for others).

    There was a case in Poland some years ago about raw food vegan disciples having their kids taken away because of fears of malnutrition (their son was apparently scarfing down anything he could at school to make up for what he wasn’t getting at home…)

    Many vegans solve the problem of how bad the diet is for children by simply not having children (avoiding the dilemma as it were….)

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  6. Btw, have you heard about how the Amazon is burning down? This is the most important thing happening right now and it’s been going on for three weeks yet I didn’t hear about it until a few days ago, and it’s barely getting any attention.

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      1. I think of the company every time too. If Amazon the company was burning down this would be cause for celebration, not despair.

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