Shooting Yourself in the Foot

“You think religious institutions like colleges, churches, charities, should they lose their tax exempt status if they oppose same sex marriage?”

O’ROURKE: “Yes. There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone or any institution, any organization in America that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us.

People should pay attention before they start bleating about how can Evangelicals support Trump if he never read the Bible am cheated on his wives.

A Democratic candidate for president plans to abolish the freedom of religion. You’ve got to be either clueless or a hypocrite to expect religious people to care more about Trump’s icky personality than that.

Also, a party that hates the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech (see the article in the NYTimes this week calling to abolish it), the second amendment, and the electoral college, isn’t that a party that simply hates the Constitution? Where are all the normal people who understand that this is atrocious?

Even as an electoral strategy this is dumb. The percentage of gay people who actually want something like this has to be minuscule. And it’s not like they are likely to vote for Trump anyway.

Once again, I’m wondering if they are trying to lose. Or do they honestly believe all this crap so much they are willing to lose for it?

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18 thoughts on “Shooting Yourself in the Foot”

  1. “isn’t that a party that simply hates the Constitution?”

    You’re just now figuring that out? Well, technically it’s not the entire party (most registered democrats certainly don’t hate the constitution) but a big portion of the left (esp the woke left) hates it and makes no bones about the fact that they want to nullify it (for lack of a better word).

    I’m wondering what schools now teach about the constitution. It’s virtues used to be part of the central myth of the US but the US left is about dismantling that myth and creating the myth of the US as a uniquely evil entity that must perpetually atone for its sins.

    They think of founding fathers about like the bolsheviks thought of the tsars…. your soviet past continues to follow you to America.

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    1. The similarities with the USSR are, indeed, striking. I know I sound like I’m stuck on this point but that’s because I am. It’s especially obvious in academia. And it’s so sad to see that people are voluntarily entering into this bondage of “correct opinions.”

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  2. “do they honestly believe all this crap so much they are willing to lose for it?”

    My best guess. The party leadership (both parties) has become completely alienated from the public and cannot imagine what most voters are interested in (and wouldn’t care if they could imagine). I imagine this is part of the long term effects of neoliberalism (it also seems to be the case in the UK and is also largely seems to be the case for EU institutions).
    It’s a bit what I imagine the late court of Louis XVI in 1788 was like with the courtiers playing petty games of status oneupmanship and engaging in cutting repartee ignorant of the storm brewing outside.

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  3. It’s not just Trump voters. I have a young, liberal, pro-gay marriage, Bernie supporting friend who’s angry about this as well. I think if Beto won the nomination we’d get a lot of religious Dems sitting the election out. Luckily there’s sane people running and they have a better chance than the nuts (Warren is a nut, but still less nutty than Beto, Castro, etc.), but everyone is engaging in at least some nuttery.

    The reason they’re doing it is not to win votes in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and not even to win over the LGBT community. They’re doing it because they have to win the primary, and the majority of Democratic primary voters are white, college educated liberals. Biden has squared the market on sane voters and everyone else is fighting over the crazy liberal voters. In Bernie’s case he should give up; he’s clearly just a pale imitation of the craziness they crave, and he should work on taking voters from Biden. For Warren, this strategy could very well win her the primary. However, all this nonsense will kill her in the general election.

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    1. They are all acting like whoever wins the primary won’t have to eat shit from Trump’s hand over each one of these crazy quotes in the general. I understand it’s the primary but you’ve got to remember that it’s all worth absolutely nothing if you lose the general.

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    The reason they’re doing it is not to win votes in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and not even to win over the LGBT community. They’re doing it because they have to win the primary, and the majority of Democratic primary voters are white, college educated liberals

    Sure, there’s no reason that people who would directly benefit from extending Bob Jones University v. United States to them would see it as point in favor of a candidate.

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  5. Regarding global warming (via Mike’s blog):

    The Week We Lived in a Climate Dystopia
    How PG&E’s blackouts paralyzed one Northern California town.

    Is this all a vision of how it could be if our modern world can’t meet the environmental challenges we face? No sudden apocalyptic bang but instead profit-taking companies removing services piecemeal, a week of power shut off here, a rural area no longer cost-efficient to deliver power there? Would long drives become commonplace to get supplies, with those who can making do while those who can’t are left behind? PG&E’s website tells me that nearly 40,000 people in my county were affected, which is only about one-twentieth of the total number of Californians without power. On the East Coast, our situation has barely made the news. Do our votes count? Are Lake County voices even heard?

    https://slate.com/business/2019/10/california-blackouts-have-paralyzed-my-lake-county-town.html

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  6. My comment with a link disappeared, so I repost (via Mike’s blog) how private business and global warming intersect and leave comsumers and citizens in a ditch. Do any candidates talk about problems like in the article below? If it’s a private electric company, can government do nothing?

    The Week We Lived in a Climate Dystopia
    How PG&E’s blackouts paralyzed one Northern California town.

    The power outages this year—affecting at least 500,000 people in Northern California—aren’t as bad as the evacuation last year, but the causes are the same: First, our electric company, Pacific Gas and Electric, neglected to maintain its wires for years prior, which caused massive wildfires leading to hundreds of lost homes, dozens of deaths, and now, at this late date, “planned outages” to contain the risks it’s caused through its negligence, removing power from the very same customers whose communities have been decimated by wildfires. And then there’s the more nebulous, indirect cause: climate change, which has made the rains less certain, the high temperatures hotter, and wildfires an omnipresent, worsening risk.

    Is this all a vision of how it could be if our modern world can’t meet the environmental challenges we face? No sudden apocalyptic bang but instead profit-taking companies removing services piecemeal, a week of power shut off here, a rural area no longer cost-efficient to deliver power there? Would long drives become commonplace to get supplies, with those who can making do while those who can’t are left behind? PG&E’s website tells me that nearly 40,000 people in my county were affected, which is only about one-twentieth of the total number of Californians without power. On the East Coast, our situation has barely made the news. Do our votes count? Are Lake County voices even heard?

    https://slate.com/business/2019/10/california-blackouts-have-paralyzed-my-lake-county-town.html

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    1. Global warming, global schwarming. This is a state with a ridiculously inadequate form of governance that they are trying to impose on the rest of the country. And look at the poutiness of realizing that the rest of the country has their own issues. Did she care when the policies she cheerfully voted for in California brought heroin to Columbus, Ohio? Did she care when her state created surveillance technologies and woke capitalism and inflicted them on all of us? Clearly not. PG&E has a Great commitment to diversity. Isn’t that all we are supposed to care about?

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      1. // PG&E has a Great commitment to diversity. Isn’t that all we are supposed to care about?

        I thought American companies – in contrast to FSU ones – were supposed to have a Great Commitment to providing services consumers pay for. Because of this basic assumption, consumers were free to start thinking about adding more demands like statements regarding commitment to diversity.

        I remember how you praised American consumerist mentality and the dedication to demand what they deserve because of being paying agents as opposed to FSU fatalism, but here something isn’t working.

        The rest of the country should care because if this can happen in (I thought) rich California, surely it doesn’t and won’t stop there.

        Don’t you want to make America great again by recovering social solidarity among its citizens? Her state didn’t create “surveillance technologies and woke capitalism,” the same modernity which gives US one of the highest living standards on the planet did.

        Unfortunately, I am not aware of American politics enough to understand what you mean by “a ridiculously inadequate form of governance,” but is a private company connected to it at all?

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        1. American companies used to be terrified of displeasing the customers. Now they are only afraid of displeasing the Twitter warriors of political correctness. And customers can go screw themselves.

          As for electrical outages, we had some locally when AT&T destroyed our power lines. I don’t remember anybody in California giving a toss.

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          1. \ American companies used to be terrified of displeasing the customers. Now they are only afraid of displeasing the Twitter warriors of political correctness. And customers can go screw themselves.

            Why has it happened? Your description seems to imply the Twitter warriors made it possible for companies to ignore the consumers, but what if the terror of displeasing the customers would’ve disappeared anyway? It seems like that to me since PC people cannot be more powerful than those who pay the company by buying services.

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          2. American companies used to be terrified of displeasing the customers. Now they are only afraid of displeasing the Twitter warriors of political correctness. And customers can go screw themselves.
            PG&E, like most utilities, is a monopoly. That’s just the way power grids work. PG&E stock is publicly traded on the NYSE. Monopolies generally don’t give a toss one way or the other, “Twitter warriors of political correctness” or no.

            Take a look at the contracts you’re forced to sign as a customer and the binding arbitration clauses.

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