Vote to Re-vote the Vote

So the UK is going to vote on whether to re-vote the Brexit vote?

Cute. As if voting “yes” on Brexit a million times would produce any result whatsoever other than more squealing about raaaaaacism.

Of course, there’s going to be more squealing about raaaaaacism no matter what so whatever.

21 thoughts on “Vote to Re-vote the Vote”

  1. This is bonkers
    LONDON (AP) — Britons will be heading out to vote in the dark days of December after the House of Commons on Tuesday backed an early national vote that could break the country’s political impasse over Brexit — or turn out to be merely a temporary distraction.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson hopes electing a new crop of lawmakers will give his Conservative Party a majority and break the stalemate that blocked his plan to take Britain out of the European Union this month. This week the EU granted Britain a three-month Brexit extension until Jan. 31.

    But after three years of inconclusive political wrangling over Brexit, British voters are weary and the results of an election are hard to predict.

    The House of Commons voted 438-20 — with dozens of lawmakers abstaining — for a bill authorizing an election on Dec. 12. It will become law once it is approved Wednesday by the unelected House of Lords, which does not have the power to overrule the elected Commons.

    Even before the result was announced, the political parties were in campaign mode.

    Johnson — who has had to abandon his vow to lead Britain out of the EU on Oct. 31 “do or die” — accused his opponents of seeking to frustrate voters’ decision to leave the EU and prolong the Brexit process “until the 12th of never.”

    “There is only one way to get Brexit done in the face of this unrelenting parliamentary obstructionism, this endless, willful, fingers crossed, ‘not me guv’ refusal to deliver on the mandate of the people — and that is to refresh this Parliament and give the people a choice,” Johnson said.

    The road to polling day opened up when the main opposition Labour Party, which had opposed three previous attempts by Johnson to trigger an election, changed its position.

    Now that Brexit has been delayed, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said his party would vote in favor of an early election because the prospect that Britain could crash out of the EU without a divorce deal had been taken off the table.

    Brexit will form the unavoidable backdrop to the election, but the left-of-center Labour Party is calculating that voters will want to talk about issues such as health care, education and social welfare — all of which saw years of funding cuts by Conservative governments — more than about Brexit. The party’s position on the EU is convoluted, with a split between those who want to go through with Brexit and those who want a new referendum on whether to remain in the bloc.

    The strongly pro-EU Liberal Demcorats have been eating away at Labour support in Britain’s big cities.

    “The choice at this election could not be clearer,” Corbyn said in a statement that did not mention Brexit. “A Labour government will be on your side, while Boris Johnson’s Conservatives — who think they’re born to rule — will only look after the privileged few.”

    The looming vote comes two and a half years before the next scheduled election, due in 2022, and will be the country’s first December election since 1923.

    Lawmakers rejected an attempt by the Labour Party to hold the election on Dec. 9. The party argued the earlier date would mean more students could vote because universities would not have begun their Christmas holidays.

    Cabinet Office Minister Oliver Dowden said Dec. 12 was preferable because it gave lawmakers a few more days to finish up parliamentary business, and retained Britain’s tradition of holding elections on Thursdays.

    Earlier, a last-minute hitch to the government’s plans emerged when opposition parties announced plans to try to amend the terms of an early election to lower the voting age from 18 to 16 and expand the voting base to include citizens of the 27 other EU nations who are living in Britain.

    The government said it would abandon the bill if that plan succeeded. The amendments were not chosen for a vote by parliamentary authorities, who judged that they would have fundamentally altered the legislation.

    Johnson took office in July vowing to “get Brexit done” after his predecessor, Theresa May, resigned in defeat. But the Conservative leader, who said just weeks ago that he would “rather be dead in a ditch” than postpone the Oct. 31 Brexit date, was forced by Parliament to seek the extension in order to avoid a no-deal Brexit, which would damage the economies of both Britain and the EU.

    Johnson plans to campaign as a leader who has a viable, strong Brexit plan for the country but who has been stymied by an anti-democratic opposition and a bureaucratic EU.

    He has argued that without an early election, the British government would be like the cartoon character Charlie Brown, “endlessly running up to kick the ball only to have Parliament whisk it away.”

    An election is a risk, though, not only for Johnson’s Conservatives but also for Labour. Opinion polls currently give Johnson’s Conservatives a lead, but there’s a strong chance that an election could produce a Parliament as divided over Brexit as the current one.

    Theresa May called an early election in 2017 with the aim of boosting the Conservatives’ majority and strengthening her hand in negotiations with the EU. The party ended up losing its majority in Parliament, and May failed to pass her key Brexit measures.

    Many voters are fed up with politicians from all sides after more than three years of Brexit drama, and all the parties are worried about a backlash from grumpy voters asked to go to the polls at the darkest, coldest time of the year.

    “We all know that a poll in December is less than ideal,” said Pete Wishart, a lawmaker with the opposition Scottish National Party. “But it is worth that risk in order that we remove this prime minister.”

    Meanwhile, the Brexit conundrum remains unsolved — and the clock is ticking down the new deadline of Jan. 31.

    “To my British friends,” European Council President Donald Tusk tweeted Tuesday. “The EU27 has formally adopted the extension. It may be the last one. Please make the best use of this time.”

    I don’t know if that amounts to a “revote the Brexit” vote.

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    1. Yes, I’ve been too optimistic. They want to discuss the possibility of revoting the vote on the Brexit vote.

      The citizens who just swallow this kind of egregious behavior on the part of politicians truly deserve everything that is coming their way. All I want to know is what castrated Britons to such an extent.

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    1. Sure. Except the United Kingdom had joined the EU when it was the European Communities (in the 1970s). I don’t think they were much fussed with anti-racism then. Or even in 1993.

      It’s odd that the parties which were always opposed to joining the EU and pushing to leave have no thought out plans for how to disentangle themselves from the EU, which is the more boring and likely explanation for the chaos. Usually parties like that have plans they are itching to put into place. Why do you think they had no plans, good or not?

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      1. “Except the United Kingdom ”

        I was thinking of later developments, though even in the 1970s it was obvious that the UK was not exactly an…. enthusiastic member of the EU. Unlike Ireland the idea of a politician to make a career in EU institutions was never broadly accepted (supposedly Tony Blair wanted to be president of some EU institution but that didn’t work out).

        I have no idea about what’s motivating the parties involved at present. My most persistent thought is that Boris Johnson like Teresa May before him is doing his best to publicly fail at delivering Brexit.

        I have massive reservations about the site this appeared at and the author as well, but this article is about as close to my feelings about what’s going on as I’ve seen committed to print.

        zerohedge.com/political/brexit-parliament-tethers-britain-failing-experiment

        I’m extremely positive about the EU of pre 2009 or so. But it’s rapidly reaching the point of diminishing returns…

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      2. When everybody joined the EU few people were brilliant enough to predict what it would devolve to. Who could have known it would follow in the footsteps of the USSR where each republic had an absolute legal right to leave but anybody who said “let’s leave” would be jailed for 25 years?

        I honestly don’t see any connection between lack of plans and everybody who is in favor of doing the will of the people and leaving being screamed down as a Nazi.

        And when did the lack of planning ever stop anybody? Merkel brought 1,5 million Muslims into Germany in one year with no plan. And more importantly, no vote. No majority of Germans voted for this. No Germans were asked to vote for it. Merkel acted on an impulse because that’s what she felt like doing. And she was extremely successful at doing exactly what she did.

        Yet when the majority of people in the UK actually vote for something, we start hearing how impossible it all is and how they need a detailed plan and so on and on.

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        1. “when did the lack of planning ever stop anybody?”

          That’s all the EU really does anymore plan (and enforce austerity) and plan (and enforce austerity) and make more plans.
          Brexit reminds me a tiny bit of the roundtable talks in Poland that led to the first free elections since before WWII… they had no idea what they were doing or what was going to come next (so a vast amount of planning would be useless) they just knew things had to change. Of course that led to all kinds of problems and mistakes (which people still fight over) but there really was no other way.

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        2. My point is that Eurosceptics have a long history in the UK. Having failed to stop the UK from entering the EU and constantly trying to get the UK to leave, you would think that someone in that coalition would have some kind of plan or attempt at one for once they won. There’s dumb gyrations because there’s no plan, not even a bad one. There’d be less bonkers chaos if there was a plan. Voters hate instability, and I don’t think they much care where it comes from. They will vote for the government that makes it stop or the government they think will make it stop, so the Conservatives better come up with a narrative in a hurry (ha!) that says “our way is less chaotic then ‘Remaining’ and ‘yes, the transition years will suck but x, y, and z will happen on the other side and that will be better long term”

          I mean, UKIP has been against it since 1993, for example. There is (was) a whole bunch of socialist parties too (which aren’t necessarily far right). Nobody had a plan when they were talking about how bad the EU was for the UK and what it would mean to be entangled in this giant complicated system with tons of moving parts [along with a quiet plan to put into place of how to unentangle when the situation arose?] That’s about 20 years. It’s like when a dog finally catches the bumper of a moving car. If they had the equivalent of ALEC writing model legislation all over the place, the UK would already be out, screams of racism or not.

          You wouldn’t see these parlimentary twister games. You’d also see people less freaked out about unentangling pains because they’d have some idea (true or false) of when those pains would cease.

          I think voters are reacting far more to “there’s no plan and there’s chaos” than “OMG, so racist!” will vote accordingly and then be unhappy with the results of the next election. :/

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          1. ” you would think that someone in that coalition would have some kind of plan ”

            Cultural profiles, British culture is traditionally very low in ‘uncertainty avoidance’* and the dominant idea is that things will work out somehow and let’s see what the problems are before trying to solve them. It was the same approach they took in 2004 when Tony Blair spontaneously opened the labor market to all the new EU countries and 10 times more people than expected showed up within 6 months and were still arriving.
            In many ways it was total chaos and the British government looked… and didn’t do anything.
            Germany and France on the other hand would schedule next month’s burps and farts if they could and are even as I write probably drafting a “Bodily air expulsion standards” that they hope to pass into law within the next three years.

            *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_avoidance

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            1. You’d think somebody in the worldwide open borders movement would have some kind of a plan but has anybody heard Elizabeth Warren, for example, explain how offering free healthcare to everybody on the planet who wants it is supposed to work? We are about to welcome the world’s sick en masse but has anybody thought how it would look in practice? I can’t get the medication I’ve been prescribed because there’s a huge shortage. What’s up plan for making it available after half the planet shows up to get treated?

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          2. You know what else had no plan and was completely chaotic? The war in Iraq. Nobody thought through the consequences of that disaster. But it still happened.

            Or take the deindustrialization of the Midwest. A total clusterfuck. Completely unplanned. Very chaotic. But it proceeded largely unopposed.

            The opioid deregulation, the pot legalization – all clearly massively more dangerous than Brexit or Trump’s fantasy wall. But they did happen and are happening and their chaotic nature bothers no one.

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    1. Everybody is terrified to mention it – again, I have no idea why – but there’s a lot of anti-semitism in black and Hispanic communities. Hispanic anti-semitism I’m long familiar with for obvious reasons but African American anti-semitism was explained to me right here on the blog.

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      1. \ African American anti-semitism was explained to me right here on the blog.

        Where? It’s an interesting topic and I missed it somehow.

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  2. For professional and family reasons, I am interested in the topic and since you’ve written a lot re American students’ (lack of) readiness for college, decided to share here too. The article “Obama Education Secretary: US education system is ‘top 10 in nothing’ ” links to his very interesting book:

    How Schools Work: An Inside Account of Failure and Success from One of the Nation’s Longest-Serving Secretaries of Education
    by Arne Duncan

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