New Poll: Victims or Perpetrators?

So all of those people who are terrified to notice the defacement of the Cervantes statue or to say anything that would displease a diversity commissar, are they victims or are they culpable?

Let’s vote here.

P.S. I really love it when people vote in my polls, by the way.

16 thoughts on “New Poll: Victims or Perpetrators?”

  1. So how is N enjoying Father’s Day? Are you all going to picnic outdoors and take advantage of the longest day of the year?


  2. I voted “Other” since it depends on one’s situation. If people have a reason to believe talking is likely to result in being fired, I won’t be the one to judge them. Everybody without great wealth needs to keep one’s job to put food on the table.

    When I was asked several times personal questions at work, I tried to use minimum lies and change the topic, but definitely wouldn’t endanger my position in the slightest by following “it’s bad to lie” mantra. If somebody wants me to be truthful, one should respect personal boundaries and understand asking certain questions is not done.

    Kind of feel bad admitting it since being evasive, let alone lying, is unpleasant.

    Yet, asking personal questions which could lead to problems at work is also either a sign of stupidity or of being not very nice person.

    In short, work is sacred since it means being able to have food and a roof over the head, especially when we’re during a recession.


  3. You need a couple more nuanced options:

    Sycophantic suck ups afraid of the social and economic consequences of transgressing the spirit of the age.

    And: Quislings/traitors abjectly groveling before totalitarian bullies.

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    1. That’s a great way to put it.

      I’m stunned at how easily people in what’s supposed to be a free society give in to these disgusting totalitarians.


  4. I chose “other” because I think most people simply don’t care enough to risk the mob’s displeasure. The problem is that sooner or later, the mob will come for the things they DO care about, and by then it will be too late. Every failure to stand up against the clearly moral wrongs being committed is giving these lunatics more power, and making them harder to stop.
    I greatly admire the few – many of whom have very different ideological positions than my own – who have been bold enough to stand up to the mob and refuse to be canceled, apologize, or seek forgiveness for doing so.


    1. Exactly, exactly! They will keep pushing the boundary until they get to the issue where you won’t be able to affirm their beliefs in am enthusiastic way.

      How about women with penises in women’s locker rooms?

      Don’t care? OK.

      How about pedophilia as a respectable life choice?

      How about euthanasia for depressed teenagers?

      How about genital surgery for “trans babies”?

      They will find your breaking point and you will still be forced either to proclaim loud support for something you find disgusting or stand up to the mob.

      It’s better to stand up now and not let it go that far.


  5. I’m trying to be charitable and put ‘other’ with the words ‘in denial’ and ‘disoriented’… I think most normies just don’t get how dangerous this road is (what in the culture is putting that message across?) and/or assume it’s pent up energy and typical youthful rebellion.
    The media figures that don’t condemn this however are either stupid or evil (or both).
    It’s only those who have some idea the possible trajectories that this will take that are actually concerned…
    Among the statue defilers you get a mix of misguided revolutionaries, power hungry thugs, craven bootlickers and thrill seekers (many belong to more than one category).


    1. \ the book trial in Don Quixote

      DQ has a book trial = judging books scene? Sounds interesting bit to check out.

      Does the book resemble “Alice in Wonderland” on some level with “as if” ridiculous things hiding various truths?


      1. And yes, absolutely, it’s extremely meta. The second part, especially. It’s literature about the process of making and reading literature … about making and reading literature … about… And so on.


        1. The real drama of Don Quixote is what heretical thing will Cervantes imply next and will the censor catch it. The book trial is a great example of this. The priest is judging Quixote’s books on chivalry to decide which are responsible for Quixote’s madness. He does this using the same kinds of rhetorical maneuvers as Counter-Reformation Catholic censors used for real to judge books for heresy.


          1. And also, the priest is clearly a great fan of these books himself. The process of the inquisition is giving him a chance to talk about something he really enjoys. He has to pretend to hate these books to be able to talk about them.

            The book is timeless.


  6. Not victims.

    But I don’t think most people are self-aware enough to depart in any meaningful way from the views of their peers. It’s part of our monkey-brain heritage: being an acceptable and accepted part of a social group is more important, even at a basic hormonal level, than any abstract notion of Truth. I think for the vast majority of people, no philosophical underpinning can make them contradict their social peers. The monkey part says “Oh, I can’t! I’ll be left alone on the savanna to be eaten by lions!” or something like that. Group cohesion is everything. The only way you reach most people’s breaking point is when you start threatening their family… and even then it can be dicey. There are plenty of parents who choose to remain loyal to pedophile authority figures who were abusing their kids, rather than believe the kids and sacrifice their social standing in the community.


  7. Bit of both? I’m not sure it’s worth getting fired over saying something on facebook. You’ve suffered great consequences while accomplishing nothing. Sacrifice should probably be saved for more effective tactics.

    That said, I’m incapable of keeping my mouth shut myself.


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