Real Respect

The people I really respect are sincere and enthusiastic Democrats who think Biden and Harris are great but who don’t buy into the COVID panic. It must be very hard to make reason prevail over a sentiment that is so powerful in your circle and in the media you trust.

Yes, they do exist. I talked to one today.

24 thoughts on “Real Respect”

  1. I know one as well — an old friend who teaches in a very left-leaning school — and spoke to him a couple of days ago. Not only does he not buy into the COVID hysteria, he even realizes what is going on with the police and is on the right side of BLM. But he continues to be an enthusiastic Democrat. How he does it, I don’t know.

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    1. I think it’s easier to manage with the police stuff than with COVID. Most people, even people who dislike Biden, don’t really see him as a crazy antifa type. It doesn’t really seem like he’s aligned with those nutbags at all. I don’t like Biden but BLM isn’t really a factor in that. He’s against defunding police, hasn’t particularly caved to the mob, etc. His greatest weakness is the same as Bernie’s, that he doesn’t really understand what’s really going on and what the modern left is all about. It means neither of them can act as opposition to them (and in Bernie’s case, he foolishly elevates many of these people, not realizing how their goals run totally counter to his.)

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      1. Unfortunately, every Democrat I know has completely, enthusiastically and somewhat aggressively bought into the BLM rhetoric. Even 70-year-old religious people. A woman who never posted anything but Bible quotes on FB now writes about the man who was beaten in Portland “Well, maybe he deserves it” without a trace of irony

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        1. I’m very sorry. Almost everyone I know is a Democrat or worse, a leftist, but this is not my experience at all, though I know some steadfast devotees (mostly under the age of 40.) My mama was vaguely supportive at first but eventually soured on them (though altogether I don’t think she cares much; the riots were mild and short lived here, and there hasn’t been major protesting of any kind here in months.) I think my coworkers mostly just hoped they’d end soon and that our business wouldn’t get looted (it didn’t.) Young people are on average worse, but I even have a good friend in her early 20s who’s a lifelong Democrat who isn’t insane. People who are passionate liberals and leftists are almost always insufferable though, and I know a lot of them. There’s a definite divide between “people I can’t calmly discuss this with” and “the normal people.” It seems where you are, all the normal people have transformed into insane people.

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        2. Sadly, some of the nuts are members of my own family. But I can always count on my (Biden supporting) parents to remain a voice of reason. While she doesn’t share your views on coronavirus, my mama also definitely does not toe the hysterical party line. We all agree that “forever lockdown” is an insane and unrealistic plan.

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            1. My mama is younger than that. But yes, I think 60+ people are more likely to have come to terms with the idea that they will die one day and there’s no way to avoid that. We also all calmed down once my dad got coronavirus (we were mostly worried about giving it to him.)

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            2. “I do find that 60+ people are a lot more reasonable on lockdowns than the 30-50 crowd.”

              “Americans believe that people aged 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths; the actual figure is 2.7%… The discrepancy with the actual mortality data is staggering: for people aged 18–24, the share of those worried about serious health consequences is 400 times higher than the share of total COVID deaths; for those age 25–34 it is 90 times higher.”

              “People who get their information predominantly from social media have the most erroneous and distorted perception of risk. Those who identify as Democrats tend to mistakenly overstate the risk of death from COVID-19 for younger people much more than Republicans.”

              https://www.franklintempleton.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/en-us-retail/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html

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      1. “Biden-Harris are tougher on crime than Trump.”

        Historically (decades ago), both Biden and Harris favored tough crime policies. But today both are mouthing SJW rhetoric (“Mass incarceration is bad,” etc.) — and neither has condemned the endless violent anarchy in cities like Portland, nor has either candidate offered any plan to bring such lawlessness to an end. The only words about the current “unrest” muttered so far during this week’s virtual Democratic convention have been Michelle Obama’s reference to “police firing tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters.”

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          1. “they will betray them as soon as they would take power”

            A textbook illustration of wishful thinking.

            “he hasn’t been silent on the issue in spite of hiding in the basement”

            Biden speaks in word salad. The handlers who script Biden believe that the anarchists and looters are helping to destabilize Orange Man Bad or they would stop them in their tracks. In performing magic for an audience, it’s what is known as ‘distraction’ or ‘misdirection.’

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            1. Sure, that’s plausible. I’m just saying it’s factually inaccurate to say Biden hasn’t condemned rioters. He has, on multiple occasions. I made no comment on whether he’s sincere, or whether he will actually do anything to crack down on rioting if he wins (my prediction: no.)

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        1. “neither has condemned the endless violent anarchy in cities like Portland” this is untrue. Biden first condemned the violence back in late May, and has made at least one statement since. You can argue whether these are good statements, but he hasn’t been silent on the issue in spite of hiding in the basement.

          https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-condemns-violence-surrounding-protests-says-george-floyds-name-will-not-hashtag-1507651

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  2. I would not attend this university. How long until this is every university?

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      1. Come to think of it, though, this may finally be the impetus for our current youth generation to start leaving the darn things at home: it’s the only way to do anything without being tracked!

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        1. If it was a concern, I believe a young person would rather own 2 phones (one with tracking app left in the room, one without but with everything else). And I sort of get that. I would not put my nose outside my room without my walkman when I was young.

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  3. Important article to read, even though Jacobin is largely garbage nowadays (also, I highly recommend following Pedro Gonzalez on twitter if you’re not already.)

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  4. I’m left of Sanders and not part of the virus paranoia. I caved and put some of my classes online, because there were immunocompromised students; I could have said well take the class later, but I caved. I am regretting it.

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