Bothsiderism

Regarding the murder of Jay Bishop in Portland, this is what Biden had to say:

The deadly violence we saw overnight in Portland is unacceptable. Shooting in the streets of a great American city is unacceptable.

I condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same. https://t.co/JRuI7ya2Wv

This is beyond cynical. The “deadly violence in Portland” wasn’t perpetrated by “anyone, whether on the left or the right.” Every victim of Portland’s riots has been assassinated by Joe Biden’s supporters. And he hasn’t found it in himself to name them and ask them to stop.

If it were possible for me to be any more disgusted with Burisma Joe, I would be but my limit was reached a long time ago.

33 thoughts on “Bothsiderism”

  1. I’ve watched that footage from a couple of angles so many times now, and I cannot see the “clash” the news is referring to. It looked like an execution to me. He doesn’t even look armed. Waiting for details…

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    1. I don’t even know how it’s being covered on the news (because I don’t want to know). But I googled the alleged killer and he looks like an alcoholic and a drug user whose mind was warped by the “revolutionary” rhetoric around him. There are many very unstable people who are finding an outlet for their violent impulses in this mayhem. It’s a very, very dangerous situation.

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      1. “I don’t even know how it’s being covered on the news”

        Most news outlets are referring to the person who was shot as a member of a “radical far-right, pro-Trump, para-military group called ‘Patriot Prayer.’ That group allegedly sent caravans of armed members into Portland to pick trouble with the peaceful BLM protesters.

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  2. It’s striking how different this is being covered than the Kenosha shooting. The first article I read, from Willamette Week, vaguely insinuates that Trump supporters were the aggressors (link below.) Then the facebook post from a local news page in my city said “Hundreds of demonstrators drove through downtown Portland to show their support for President Donald Trump. Protesters did everything they could to try and stop the caravan. Police said one person died during the clash.” Fucking really?

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/29/one-person-shot-to-death-amid-trump-caravan-in-downtown-portland/

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    1. Imagine if Trump supporters rioted for months creating this sort of destruction. What would we all say? Would any decent person think it’s ok to justify it? Of course, not.

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  3. I knew immediately that the Portland thing was left on right violence when I read the Washington Post headline. It simply said that someone was shot, but carefully avoided saying anything about who shot who.

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  4. There’s an inflection point here. I don’t like the turn things are taking at all.

    The 4chan crowd credibly claims to have IDed the shooter. It would be difficult to claim, at this point, that this shooting was random violence by opportunistic criminals. Shooter is a skinny white dude with a large BLM tattoo on his neck. That, combined with the audio on some of the footage, that’s basically “hey, we got a couple of them…” and then pow pow. Looks very, very targeted. As in: these guys were armed, and hunting for people who’d been part of the Trump truck parade earlier.

    The next couple of days (if we have that long) are very, very important. If the Democrat officials continue to double down on making excuses for the rioting, and the legacy media continue to attempt to gaslight the country about it, this could get very bad very quickly.

    They could call in the guard and shut it down tomorrow, and they need to. It’s the right thing to do, at this point. Too late for the ~33 people who’ve already died, but it would save a lot of lives.

    A lot of my lefty friends are so determinedly wrapped up in their media bubbles, and their conviction that their side is the “good people” side, that they have no trouble believing that the “protesters” are all fluffy bunnies, and any violence is just… white supremacist provocateurs?

    I have no such illusions about my own side. They’re human like everyone else: there are good ones and bad ones, and lots and lots of armed ones. As Haight and others have pointed out, loyalty is more important on the right, and there’s still some remaining shreds of honor culture. In layman’s terms: BLM just started a blood feud with every rightist group that feels kinship with Patriot Prayer (the group Jay Bishop was there with). It’s all fun and games when you have a bunch of incompetent punks LARPing revolution in the streets, with no goals, no realistic demands, just make chaos and destroy shit.

    It’s not going to be like that once you call up violence from the right. That’s coming soon. They’re a helluva lot better organized, they have far more weapons, exponentially more military experience, and they’ll play to win.

    The Democrats and the media need to get their heads out of their asses and keep this from happening. Tell the truth, and end the riots. Now.

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    1. // BLM just started a blood feud with every rightist group that feels kinship with Patriot Prayer … It’s all fun and games when you have a bunch of incompetent punks LARPing revolution in the streets, with no goals, no realistic demands, just make chaos and destroy shit.
      It’s not going to be like that once you call up violence from the right. … They’re a helluva lot better organized, they have far more weapons, exponentially more military experience, and they’ll play to win.
      The Democrats and the media need to get their heads out of their asses and keep this from happening. Tell the truth, and end the riots. Now. //

      methylethyl, one of the questions is what Biden can do to still have a chance of winning the election. The Democrats and the media feel trapped and paralyzed imo, hoping everything will be fine (at least, not go too far) if they wait out the storm.

      Calling for federal forces means publicly asking Trump for help and admitting their importance a few weeks before the election. It sounds like a political suicide. Naturally, Trump would talk of their ‘defeat’ and his monumental assistance non-stop.

      Is there any plan enabling the Democrats to stop the riots and still have a chance of winning? Yes, I know, not stopping the riots is hurting them badly and they know it. It’s Catch-22 they are in.

      Propose a way for Dems to climb down this tree and they’ll do it gladly.

      To prevent people from saying ‘Democrats care only about the election, not fellow citizens’ , I want to stress Trump is like that too. Still remember the satisfaction in his voice in an interview when he said how happy he is that Democratic cities are burning. I don’t remember the exact quote, it was several weeks ago, but – believe me – I remember what he said in general and how happy he sounded. It was disgusting. Trump is supposed to be a President of all Americans. For all his faults, Biden wouldn’t be this happy about red states descending into chaos.

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      1. Biden is winning, don’t worry. And unless he loses in a landslide, his side won’t accept the results of the election if he loses by a thin margin and then we’ll really see violence.

        What Democrats can do to stop the violence is condemn it. And not some vague violence on both sides but their own supporters who have been doing this. They aren’t going to do this so there’s that.

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        1. What Democrats can do to stop the violence is condemn it.

          For what it’s worth, I just watched a clip of a speech Biden gave (I think today) that was pretty unequivocal about condemning the rioting. No mealy mouthed blather about people being justifiably angry. “Rioting isn’t protest. Looting isn’t protest. Burning isn’t protest. None of this is protest.”

          I hope he keeps it up.

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        2. “Biden is winning, don’t worry.”

          Are you sarcastic here? You mean he’s winning in the vividly developed imaginations of few supporters, right?

          Both Democratic news anchors’ and Biden’s statements condemning violence show the Democrats know they are in a horrible situation. However, identifying rioters as “their own supporters” seems a sure way to be badly defeated.

          I also don’t think it’s the whole truth. Are looters wanting to snatch a 10000$ bag and career criminals anyone’s supporters except their own? Some violent protesters were Democratic supporters, but not lesser (greater?) number simply wanted to steal and/or indulge their violent urges.

          People say those are Bernie’s supporters. I am sure Bernie is horrified and not only because of nearing election results. He has always been for working class people; surely, he sees the businesses and livelihoods being destroyed as a tragedy.

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          1. No, I’m dead serious. Biden is winning. It will take a miracle right now for him not to win. Whoever controls all the institutions that communicate information to the people will win. Trump’s campaign gets censored on FB, kicked off Twitter, all prominent supporters are silenced and unpersonned, people are terrified to show support through bumper stickers or yard signs because there will be physical violence against them and it’s still only August. Then we will get another lockdown in October and there will be zero place for the Trump campaign to happen. You can’t campaign if you are barred from any physical or online space to campaign.

            As for the other question, yes the looting lumpen don’t vote. But the organizers and the cheerleaders of the violence do. They 100% vote Biden.

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            1. // Whoever controls all the institutions that communicate information to the people will win. Trump’s campaign gets censored on FB, kicked off Twitter, all prominent supporters are silenced and unpersonned, people are terrified to show support through bumper stickers or yard signs …

              FoxNews and Internet ensure everybody knows everything one wants to know w/o FB or Twitter. If people are terrified to show support, they make sure everybody in their circle knows about it and they are more likely to actually vote since anger is a powerful motivator.

              As for independent voters, even Democratic channels show dystopian fires. As the cliche goes, a picture is worth a thousand words, so I don’t believe voters will believe the transcript of ‘mostly peaceful protests.’

              Some die-hard Democrats will vote Biden, but everybody else becomes afraid of the fire…

              According to “Real Clear Politics’ betting average between Trump and Biden,” “betting odds have Trump virtually tied with Biden.”

              // “we believe it is largely due to two effects: 1) the impact of the degree of violence in protests on public opinion and voting patterns and 2) a bias in polls due to Trump voters being more likely to decline or mislead polls”, both factors we discussed extensively over the past week (here and here).

              Then, after laying out the dynamics our readers are already familiar with, Kolanovic says that “momentum related to the Wasow effect will continue in favor of Trump, unless Democrats pivot away from their stance regarding demonstrations. This may not be easy however, given that top Democrats have called for daily demonstrations (e.g. Kamala Harris) and rallied their base around the theme of defunding police and would need to effectively adopt Trump’s policy after 3 months as a reaction to polls. Some party officials already rationalized or promoted the behavior.”

              Then there is the question of turnout: here Kolanovic makes a critical point saying that “turnout strongly depends on the left wing of the party (‘Bernie bros’, Marxist elements, etc.), which would be alienated by such a shift” [toward demonstrations].

              https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/kolanovic-says-trump-re-election-odds-are-soaring-prompting-nate-silver-meltdown-twitter

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              1. What’s “internet”? How does one find news on Internet? Especially with Google concealing the search results it doesn’t want you to see?

                As for people who are terrified, I’m not making anything known to anybody in my circle. I’m too scared. The Democrat-controlled news channels (which is all of them) say that violence is called by Trump. How? Well, who cares? We all know he’s evil enough. We’ve been told this non-stop for years.

                I’d like to believe what you are saying but all I see are crowds of completely brainwashed, brain-dead drones for Biden.

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              2. The CNN is showing a segment about how the rioters are really Russians who are dressing up as BLM to help Trump. I know that half of the people I’m friends with will relate this to me as THE TRUTH tomorrow.

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              3. @Clarissa, you are right of course. All around, one does see sheeple for Biden, and the news media is completely against Trump. But on the positive side, I have also found this year that many people around me are (rightly) losing faith in the media. These people are not academics — if anything, I find academics are only too keen to believe the written word — and they too are scared to say out loud what they think. But they are there, and they realize what is going on and that things don’t add up, and hopefully, they will be the silent majority in the election.

                If it’s any consolation, this is exactly what happened in 2016. Remember 2015, and the Syrian refugee crisis? At the time the media did exactly what it’s doing now — in fact, you yourself wrote about the media bias at great length in this very blog — and it was considered extremely politically incorrect to be against even that level of unbridled fluidity. But people were secretly against it — even though they were scared to say it out loud — and it came out loud and clear all over the world with Trump’s and the Brexit win.

                Things are the same way in 2020. The only thing the vast majority of people all over the world really, truly want right now is a return to normal human interactions. And Trump symbolizes for normalcy – we saw it in the RNC. Trust me — he will win this time. It is his time in history again.

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              4. I do understand that my perception is skewed because I’m in academia the unanimity around me is staggering and very scary. I’m seeing people who are so brainwashed that absolutely no information penetrates the defenses. Let’s hope there are normal people out there.

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      2. It’s an election year. Nobody cares about anything but the election. And that is a colossal problem.

        The way down, if there is one, is for Democrats to realize that the rioting is killing them in the polls. There are inklings that they are finally realizing this. It also helps that people with money are moving away from these cities in droves. Money talks.

        Each governor can call up his own state’s national guard without federal authorization, as far as I know. They should do that. They should also stop telling their police to stand down, and they should start arresting and holding the rioters. Stop the catch-and-release BS. Stop making apologies for the rioters. If violent rioters get bailed out by celebrity bail funds, it needs to be made very public what the individual was caught doing, and who paid their bail. Every arsonist, every assault, every vandal, and every threat of bodily harm needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

        In most places, IMO, that would end it very quickly. Most of these people are cowards, and as soon as they realize they might do jail time for looting, burning, and assault, or have a permanent criminal record for that petty vandalism (not to mention being subject to lawsuits for the damage), the rioting will evaporate.

        I don’t know if that’s enough to win an election, but it couldn’t hurt, at this point. Right now, IMO, Joe Biden doesn’t have a prayer of winning. He’s too repulsive: that campaign is dead in the water. There’s probably nothing he can do about that because he makes an ass of himself every time he gets out in public. But the governors and mayors of Oregon, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. may still have a chance, if they can turn it around before November. They should be worried, and they should play it as Great Big Love for Our Beautiful City, and absolutely blame the rioting on out-of-town and out-of-state bad actors (and whenever they catch a rioter who isn’t local they should publicize the heck out of it- press conference, photos in the paper, etc, because it makes them look better if the problem is an outside provocation, and Our Local Authorities outsmarted them!).

        TL:DR: I’m not sure there’s any hope of winning on the national level. On the state and local levels, there’s still time to leverage local pride and solidarity. But they’d better hurry.

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        1. // They should be worried, and they should play it as Great Big Love for Our Beautiful City, and absolutely blame the rioting on out-of-town and out-of-state bad actors (and whenever they catch a rioter who isn’t local they should publicize the heck out of it- press conference, photos in the paper, etc, because it makes them look better if the problem is an outside provocation, and Our Local Authorities outsmarted them!).

          That’s a great idea and one that can actually work. For instance, this article quotes numerous Kenosha residents all saying the rioters came from outside the city. Here is a short sample:

          // Elizabeth, who was working in a barbershop surrounded by carnage, said, “Out of town-ers came in and rioted in our city… if you don’t live here you shouldn’t be here right now.”

          Alvin was with his young daughter, Kaya, after visiting and “shedding tears” with the son of a shop owner whose business was destroyed. “All this destruction didn’t come from Kenosha,” he said, “People came in here and did this.”

          Kenosha residents are painting over BLM graffiti in a community organized effort called “Love is the Answer.”

          BLM organizers refused to say where they were from. They conceded they are aware Kenosha resident don’t want outsiders coming to riot but “This is the earth, it belongs to everybody.”

          https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/30/corporate-media-didnt-report-what-its-really-like-in-kenosha-wisconsin-so-i-will/

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          1. I saw that, and there are photos of buses and vans with “riot kitchen” and other antifa-related stuff plastered on the sides, with out-of-state tags, doing staging for the riots in Kenosha. It’s not a lie that there’s been a lot of out-of-state antagonizing. Probably a lot of local opportunist thugs also, but I doubt they started it. WI police actually stopped a convoy coming in, because locals reported people in large vehicles (van, delivery truck, bus) filling lots of gas cans. Again, with out of state tags. The vehicles were loaded with helmets, fireworks, gas cans, and other gear not consistent with attending a peaceful demonstration.

            I think that if that story were plastered all over CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, etc. and not just a thing you can find at the Federalist, and on Twitter, it would help to turn the tide against the rioters, on the Dem side.

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            1. There is some indication that Wisconsin is starting to adopt similar strategies:
              https://www.wbay.com/2020/08/31/neenah-man-arrested-at-green-bay-protest-has-ties-to-antifa/
              From the local news article:
              //“It’s worrisome when people associated with Antifa come here to Green Bay from out of town for the purpose of protesting here or for the purposes of committing violent acts,” said Chief Smith.//

              In WI at least, they’re picking these guys up, booking them on outstanding warrants (and it is really amazing how many of them have outstanding warrants!), and charging them. Let’s hope it works, and serves as a good example for other places to follow!

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    2. // It’s not going to be like that once you call up violence from the right.

      I think this writer put it the best:

      “Is America on the brink of civil war?

      It might seem borderline blasphemous to dismiss a months-long national panic as a game of dress-up—especially one that has left multiple people dead and countless livelihoods destroyed. But it sure explains a lot, not least of all the bold behavior of our mock revolutionaries. They are fearless in the strangest way. Watch the videos of rioters throwing objects at police officers, smashing shop windows, and badgering guests at the RNC. These aren’t rebels assured of their cause. They’re children throwing tantrums with the knowledge that no real consequence is coming.

      The play-acting isn’t limited to the left, either. Hundreds of Trump supporters paraded through Portland in a caravan on Saturday, the latest in a number of right-wing counter-protests against the 3-month occupation of the city by the Antifa Repertory Theatre. The regular garb of the paintball militia is roughly reminiscent of their opponents’, with a little more Multicam and olive drab—two decades-old Army patterns abundant in surplus stores—thrown into the mix. The helmets, the goggles, the bandanas, and the pads all follow along the same lines. It’s the kind of faux-battle rattle that a disgruntled 18 year old would put on, look in a mirror, and think to himself, “I look badass.” (He doesn’t.)

      A lot of them had guns, but it’s unlikely they had any plans to use them. These are, for the most part, normal and sensible people—barely varied counterparts of the actors on the other side. What they did use were paintball guns, pantomiming a more substantial act with a war-toy meant for teenagers. They shot paintballs from truck beds into BLM and Antifa crowds, and the crowds threw back whatever objects they could find. I’m sure there were some injuries, as there tend to be in roughhousing like this, but it was all a fairly harmless game.

      And then someone got shot.”

      https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/one-more-dead-in-paintball-war/

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  5. // I googled the alleged killer and he looks like an alcoholic and a drug user whose mind was warped by the “revolutionary” rhetoric around him

    Found a post about him and you’re right. He looks 100% like a FSU alcoholic.

    Like other violent men, who became famous lately, Michael Forest Reinoehl used drugs, endangered kids and had been caught committing crimes, but for some reason was let go with no punishment till he murdered someone.

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    Reinoehl was arrested two months ago – and faces charges including unlawful possession of a gun, driving while under the influence of a controlled substance, driving while suspended and uninsured and recklessly endangering another after he was busted on June 8th street racing various other drivers, including his 17-year-old son, at speeds up to 111 mph while his 11-year-old daughter was in the car, according to police.

    A loaded Glock pistol, “unidentified prescription pills,” and marijuana were found inside the car. A month later, he was busted again.

    Reinoehl’s posts indicate he attended many protests in Portland …

    On July 5 at one of the demonstrations, Reinoehl was cited at 2:10 a.m. in the 700 block of Southwest Main Street on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police

    He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/portland-police-investigate-100-antifa-suspect-identified-4chan-hours-after-shooting

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  6. Am unsure it’s suitable, but all this talk of fires reminded of (in English after the Russian version):

    Так обстоит с желаньями. Недели
    Мы день за днем горим от нетерпенья
    И вдруг стоим, опешивши, у цели,
    Несоразмерной с нашими мечтами.
    Мы светоч жизни засветить хотели,
    Внезапно море пламени пред нами!
    Что это? Жар любви? Жар неприязни?
    Нас может уничтожить это пламя.
    И вот мы опускаем взор с боязнью
    К земле, туманной в девственном наряде,
    Где краски смягчены разнообразней.
    Нет, солнце, ты милей, когда ты – сзади.

    In English:

    And heavenly light now penetrates the deep:

    Colour on colour lifts now from the ground,
    As leaf and flower with trembling dewdrops weep –
    And a paradise reveals itself, all round.

    And step by step it reaches us down here: –
    It blazes out! – Ah, already blinded, though
    I turn away, my eyesight wounded, pierced.
    So it is, when to the thing we yearn for
    The highest wish so intimately rehearsed,
    We find fulfilment opening wide the door:
    And then, from eternal space, there breaks
    A flood of flame, we stand amazed before:
    We wished to set the torch of life ablaze,
    A sea of fire consumes us, and such fire!

    Love, is it, then? Or hate? This fierce embrace,
    The joy and pain of alternating pyres,
    So that, gazing back to earth again,
    We seek to veil ourselves in youth’s desire.
    Let the sun shine on, behind me, then!

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  7. Since we have had a long discussion whether cops should’ve shot 7 times, wanted to share and ask whether you heard this:

    “a panicked mom was screaming that her kids were in the car; and that Blake was attempting to enter the SUV.

    Under these circumstances, an officer could reasonably believe that Blake posed a threat of serious physical harm to the three young children, either directly, by means of a weapon he possessed in the closed quarters of the automobile, or indirectly by attempting to evade police with the kids, aged 8, 5, and 3, hostage in the backseat of the SUV.

    A lawyer for Blake’s family is attempting to spin Blake’s conduct as innocent, claiming he was merely checking to ensure his kids were okay. ”

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/why-kenosha-police-officers-use-of-force-on-jacob-blake-was-justified/

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