The Pandemic Is Over

This is a brilliant comment by Alex Berenson:

People cast votes for lots of reasons. But I will say: if you want the pandemic to go on forever, Joe Biden’s your guy.

It’s obvious now: the response to the pandemic IS the pandemic. We can be Sweden and get on with life, or Australia and pretend it’s an emergency. Your call.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1304643153618763776?s=19

Berenson must be really stunned at arriving at this point. Just like all of us, traditional, lifelong lefties who have suddenly realized that the Democratic party has turned into pure poison.

Berenson is absolutely right, of course. The pandemic is over. The choice is now between people who will maintain the illusion that it continues because that makes us easier to intimidate and control and the people who will accept that it’s over and it’s time to move on.

23 thoughts on “The Pandemic Is Over”

  1. A new peace deal! This time with Bahrain. Hope Saudi Arabia will join too. On Septermber the 2nd 2020 it agreed to “allow any flights going to and from the United Arab Emirates to fly over its territory,” but not more.

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    Bahrain announced Friday it would become the latest Arab state to recognize Israel, a triumph both for the Jewish state and U.S. President Donald Trump who is looking for pre-election wins.

    The deal is another step in a cherished dream by Israeli and U.S. conservatives to win Arab recognition of Israel without establishing a state for the Palestinians, who quickly denounced Bahrain.

    Why is Bahrain recognizing Israel?

    Bahrain, a Sunni-ruled kingdom with a large Shi’ite population, has especially tense ties with Iran and relies on the United States, which stations its Fifth Fleet on the tiny Gulf island.

    Trump reversed course from his predecessor Barack Obama by selling weapons to Bahrain despite human rights concerns and has encouraged the kingdom to strengthen unofficial ties with Israel, with Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner last year launching the administration’s Middle East plan in Manama.

    Will Wechsler, director of the Middle East program at the Atlantic Council think tank, said that Gulf Arabs were also reacting to a perceived US withdrawal from its leadership role, which they found “hugely concerning.”

    With historic Arab power centers Cairo, Damascus and Baghdad focused inward, the Gulf states are increasingly worried by the influence of non-Arab players — Shiite clerical state Iran, Muslim Brotherhood-linked Turkey and Vladimir Putin’s assertive Russia.

    “What you’re seeing now is the emergence of a new coalition to be able to fend off those parties,” Wechsler said.

    The recognition is a coup for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who will come to the White House on Tuesday to sign with both the UAE and Bahrain.

    The Palestinian Authority called the agreement by Bahrain another “stab in the back” amid fears its cause for an independent state is losing steam among Arab governments.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/HkJyIm9Nw

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  2. Respectfully, the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic persists and is in no way over, since the SARS-CoV-2 virus remains prevalent across the world and is in fact expanding, since case numbers continue to rise. That is according to the regular definition of the word. Also, the response to the pandemic is simply that – the response. They’re different things.

    Anyway personally I predict that as the temperature in the Northern hemisphere drops while humidity rises, we should see spectacular increases in both case numbers and deaths sufficient to make everyone freak out all over again. Many places spared the worst of it may not be this time around.

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    1. Case numbers, eh? :-)))
      How about the fact that the tests are so sensitive that the pick up the remnants of the virus up to 3 months after it stops being active? How about the fact that 70% of “cases” have a viral load so low they can’t transmit?

      Does this in any way impact your interest in “cases” as an interesting metric?

      I wonder, if we tested everybody for seasonal flu, how many of these asymptomatic, non-transmitting, residual “cases” we’d find. I also wonder why we have never done that. Why has nobody ever tested hundreds of thousands of completely healthy, symptom-free people for the flu that can actually kill children?

      The virus has played out. The reasons why we are still torturing kids and fussing around with masks are purely political.

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      1. Well, first, regarding tests being so accurate that they detect remnants of the virus 3 months after it stops being active, I would say that I’m not sure that the virus in fact stops being active, since it seems that many or most so-called “recoveries” are in fact the subsiding of an outbreak – a bit like an outbreak of coldsores going away while the virus that causes the persists – yet if we were to take the statement on face value, I would simply say that it is good that we have tests with that kind of sensitivity.

        Second, regarding the statement that 70% of cases having a viral load so low that they cannot transmit, I would say that the characterisation of an infection as being a case does not rely upon the ability of a patient to infect others. So, respectfully, no, it has no bearing.

        Regarding your question about what would happen if we were to test everybody for seasonal flu, I would say that we would probably gain some good statistics for once, and so be able to better understand the seasonal flu pandemics that affect the world every year.

        Regarding why large scale testing of asymptomatic people has never been done, I would say that it is probably a lack of funding, a lack of medical will/interest, and also possibly a bit of opposition from various vaccine manufacturers who would be negatively affected by any change to the status quo.

        Lastly, respectfully, I don’t think that it is reasonable to say that the virus has “played out” just yet. Case numbers continue to rise (yesterday was a new record, at 310,000 new cases recorded), while the virus is simply too new and nowhere near well understood enough for anyone to make that statement.

        I mean, it would be good if you were wright, but it just doesn’t seem that way. To me, it seems much more likely (and probable) that the oncoming cold season will lead to an explosion of cases and deaths. Time will tell 🙂

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          1. For many reasons. First, the existence of cases determines whether or not the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ is fulfilled, which is important because that is what we are talking about;

            second, those cases are only asymptomatic and the person not infectious at this point in time, which may not be the case in future if the disease state ends up being like coldsores/herpes, which becomes both symptomatic and infectious periodically;

            third, infected persons may not be asymptomatic but (presently) subclinical, in a way similar to HIV, which only really started killing people more than a year after primary infection/infection with their first strain/sole infection, hence meaning that cases should not be dismissed as being meaningless at this point in time.

            These reasons are just off the top of my head btw, which means that this is in no way a comprehensive list. My point is that we are at a very early stage of understanding of what appears to be a complex disease that is still spreading, which means that the pandemic isn’t ‘over’ at all.

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            1. “…in a way similar to HIV, which only really started killing people…”

              You’re preposterously grasping at straws to defend an untenable position.

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              1. GSW, a typical HIV infection can take as little as a year (sometimes less) and as much as a decade (sometimes more) until full blown AIDS develops, which, if left untreated, will happily kill the patient in a year. Generally in medical circles if you talk about a fast HIV/AIDS death you’ll say something like 18 months from infection to death as a worst case kind of scenario.

                Anyway, if you would like to have this discussion, please be specific about what, exactly, you think is preposterous or untenable. Be as specific as you can.

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    2. “spectacular increases in both case numbers and deaths”

      Except for those who have a political or financial interest in stoking hysteria, case numbers don’t matter in the long term as long as people recover. And, almost everyone recovers from COVID except a minority of the elderly with other, even several, pre-existing serious medical conditions.

      “the temperature in the Northern hemisphere drops while humidity rises”

      I believe you’ve got that wrong. It’s re-circulated dry air in enclosed spaces that appears to be the issue. Both central heating in winter and air conditioning in summer create low humidity environments. Most of the COVID deaths in many western countries can be laid at the feet of the public health bureaucrat morons (and their elected enablers) who failed to take the proper precautions with heating and cooling systems (along with controlling other transmission factors) to protect what everyone knew from the get-go was the most vulnerable group in the population.

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      1. GSW, it might be best if you stated very clearly what a SARS-CoV-2 “recovery” looks like, particularly since we are seeing both cases of prolonged illness in as much as a third of hospitalised patients, as well as possible evidence of recurrences (ie where people are infected, then experience a breakout of the disease usually in the form of the primary lung infection, followed by a subsiding of the breakout in a way similar to a coldsore subsiding, followed by a second breakout of the disease in a way that is not necessarily in the form of the primary lung disease).

        Regarding your statement in regards to temperature and humidity, no, I do not have it wrong in any way. What appears to be happening is that both temperature and humidity are determinative factors affecting how far expiratory aerosolised droplets travel, and how long they remain infectious.

        The way that seems to work is that the virus seems to require wetness to a certain extent in order to remain viable, where if air is warm and dry, the virus dries out by evaporation, while if the air is too cold and dry, the virus dries out by being snap frozen. Simultaneously, counterintuitively, sometimes complex mixtures take longer to dry out if the temperature is too warm, due to the formation of a kind of skin or membrane.

        So what seems to be going on is that for maximum spread, the temperature should be cool enough to stop viral degradation via regular heat lability ie denaturization yet wet enough to allow the virus to maintain whatever structure it has when wet.

        Based on what I (and others) can see, ideal conditions for infections are those found in meat works, which are cold yet not freezing, and quite humid.

        So anyway, like I said, when the temperature drops to something like between zero and 12 degrees celcius, while the humidity moves towards that in meat works which is usually about 80%, then we should see infections and deaths jump about 2-4 weeks later. With deaths lagging by a week and a half, obviously.

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        1. @Just George

          And advice to you: what you do right now could maybe work with Clarissa, but DON’T EVER DARE TO TRY TO ARGUE ABOUT REACTIVATION AND LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF COVID-19 WITH A CONSPIRATIONNIST.

          For them, those things don’t exist and will never exist. It’s all about almost non-existent short-term under-60 deaths and « killing elderly people is not a problem ». You can’t argue with them about almost anything else.

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          1. Just like I should not try to argue against those who say « The lockdowns are screwing our economy for evaaaaaahhh! » although prolonging the pandemic is even more dangerous for the economy in the middle and terms because of the convexity of pandemic costs.

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          2. “A CONSPIRATIONNIST”

            Sure, calling someone a dismissive/derogatory name is just as effective as mounting a convincing counter-argument backed up with actual evidence.

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            1. @David Gendron: since there is so much misinformation, ignorance, fear, and confusion, my attitude about everything is to (hopefully) speak as reasonably as I can and that’s it. I don’t think that we need hard words on top of the hard times that everyone is going through.

              Regarding economics, I think that the economies of the world are already so trashed that they can only be fixed via some kind of repeat of the New Deal or something, which is why I neither want to argue about it all, nor rush anything.

              Not to mention of course that no politician is probably going to listen to any of us, so why get upset on poor Clarissa’s blog 🙂

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  3. In the World scale, the pandemic is far from over. In the US, we don’t know if the PAN-demic is really over but it could the case since it seems that it’s limited to regional epidemic clusters right now. We’ll see later.

    Of course the overall number of cases is not interesting, but the percentage of positive tests is a valuable indicator and I don’t like the fact that this percentage is too high right now in some states.

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