Vaccination Question

So should we be getting flu vaccines? I’m very confused at this point. If masks work and we are all masked and socially distanced, then should we skip the flu vaccine this year?

It’s a completely serious question.

22 thoughts on “Vaccination Question”

  1. …. we are all masked and socially distanced, then should we skip the flu vaccine this year?
    wheeze laughs
    How much would getting a case of the flu slow you down? Are you going to be around anyone vulnerable to flu complications?

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      1. Ah. I thought she was past the very vulnerable stage. 🙂 Too bad you and N can’t get vaccinated at the same time too and save the trips.

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  2. You sure like to open the can of worms, don’t you? But seriously, the flu shot isn’t exactly reliable anyway. Efficacy is variable from person to person, year to year. I do think we will see fewer cases this year because people are following the “Covid” protocol. But medical professionals will insist on the flu shot, but as many will insist on the Covid vaccine once it is released on the public. Those who resist will be scorned and rebuked. My greater fear is the loss of employment or childcare or school for those who refuse to be injected; the “anti-vaxxers”.

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  3. Free medical advice:

    YES, GET THE FLU SHOT!!! You should get it every year, including this one!

    Fewer people will probably catch the flu this season because of all the social distancing and general business slowdown, but the flu virus is still out there and will kill some people.

    Some studies have suggested that the flu shot may also make COVID-19 symptoms less severe.

    (I’m getting mine tomorrow after I pick up my prescription refills.)

    You’re welcome!

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  4. We just got our flu shots today. We do every year. It’s probably not key this year, but given that we don’t know if schools are going back in person at some point, better safe than sorry. You are correct, however, that following the COVID protocol for mask and distance helps with the flu, as well. Apparently, Australia (based on whose experience we make our own vaccine since their flu season predates ours by 6 mo or so) has had a very mild season because everyone’s masked and social-distancing.

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  5. Department of defense study showed people vaccinated for flu had 136% higher risk of having coronaviruses (not COVID-19) than those who were not flu vaccinated.

    Other studies show increased susceptibility to other respiratory infections in children who got flu shot.

    Those two studies I read myself. I have also heard mention that Italians who got flu shot either had more or worse COVID-19. I think it was D r Oz who then got cut off by the interviewer.

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      1. OK, now I really don’t want to get the flu shot.

        I only started getting it a couple of years ago because everybody said I should. But I have no idea what to think of it.

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        1. Well…the average influenza vaccine is generally usually partially effective against half a dozen to a dozen or so of the couple hundred different strains that go around each year, which suggests that they are not particularly effective or not at all effective against all of the other strains.

          Generally, influenza vaccines have the most effect (if any) in vulnerable populations, being those who are very young, very old, or who are in some other way vulnerable (ie comorbidities, immunocompromisations etc), yet marketed towards the middle band of healthy persons (those older than teenagers yet not as old as geriatrics) under the guise of so-called ‘herd immunity’ for others, which really is more for the sake of compliance training and profit making.

          Since everyone at this point in time is meant to be wearing a mask, maintaining high levels of personal hygiene, and socially distancing anyway, it becomes quite difficult to make a case for a healthy middle aged person taking an influenza vaccine for the sake of personal immunity that probably isn’t needed that is seldom achieved anyway, nor for the sake of herd immunity that might benefit others except that it mostly isn’t needed either due to the precautions being taken for the sake of COVID, particularly given the risk of the vaccine itself potentially amplifying the negative outcomes of any COVID infection.

          That being said, vaccination is a personal decision that each logical person should make for themselves based on the particulars of their life, potential exposure to pathogens, risk etc where there are positives and negatives for both taking and avoiding the vaccine.

          Personally, as a healthy middle aged person myself, I decided to avoid it altogether since I considered that, for myself and those depending on me, the risk of being infected with COVID while acquiring any influenza vaccine at a doctors surgery or pharmacy plus potential amplification of any COVID infection by the vaccine outweighed the potential benefit of avoiding a flu.

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    1. I sent Clarissa a video discussing the medical consequences of the vaccine program. At one point the doctor presented a graph of child deaths due to influenza. Hardly any deaths prior to introduction of the flu shot, then the deaths “shot” right up. Very worrisome.

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  6. Think of it this way. Klara’s getting vaccinated no matter what. But if you or N aren’t vaccinated, you could have it severely (vaccination actually lessons severity of flu, even when vaccine efficacy is relatively low). And you could easily pass it on to someone else who is not vaccinated. If both of you aren’t vaccinated, there’s the chance you could have it at the same time, which would be problematic.

    If you are vaccinated and you do get the flu, it’s less likely be severe. And you’d be less likely to pass it on to people who, for whatever reason, aren’t vaccinated. You would also need to be swabbed to be diagnosed and to receive antivirals should you need them, and the swab can be quite painful (they stick it up your nose and into your throat).

    The flu vaccine is required at my workplace. Personally, I’d get it even if it wasn’t required, because my mom is allergic and tends to have more severe flu when she does get it. My grandmother lives with us, too, and she’s at higher risk as well. If everyone in the house is vaccinated, we don’t need to worry quite so much.

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  7. I don’t know what variety of flu vaccines you could get in the US so I really can’t advise. I had mine on Monday, so did my mum, sister, husband and son. In the UK flu jabs are free for anyone over 50 or under 12 and anyone with chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes etc. We all fall into one or more of these categories. I’m asthmatic and had flu jabs for the past 18 years and have only had actual flu twice since then, despite several serious epidemics in the community, so for me vaccines generally work. If a covid 19 vaccine comes along I’ll be first in line!
    It is ultimately a personal choice, as with any vaccine, however I really don’t want any unvaccinated kids going to school with my grandchildren.

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  8. In Kroger yesterday, noticed they are offering the shot for free.
    If my income relied on my being able to speak/interact with large/different groups of people daily i might consider it.
    I have been successfully using the basic viral infection treatment protocol (heat and liquids) for years and getting through it in a matter of a day to three.
    The years i have taken the vaccine, i wound up treating the shot, and then later, the infection anyway.
    IMO and experience – dreidel is right, and so is just george – depending on your circumstances

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