Police State in Quebec

These are messages people now receive on their phones in Quebec accompanied with a loud beep:

37 deaths today. In a population of 8,5 million. Truly a plague of immense proportions.

20 thoughts on “Police State in Quebec”

  1. Buried in the article about this in the Montreal Gazette, is a highly relevant statistic – about 70% of the deaths are still in nursing homes.

    Public health has had months and months to fix their nursing home problem. Obviously, they haven’t done enough. But they’re taking zero responsibility for their failure and are instead sending out texts to those in the general public who are never going to become seriously ill from COVID, incomprehensibly suggesting the progress of the pandemic is their fault.

    “Enough is enough,” a tough-talking [Quebec premier) Legault said. “We are no longer at the stage of warning people. I want to crank (up) the number of tickets, and that’s what I told police.”

    If there could be a more dishonest approach, I’d like to see what it would be.

    The public is mostly cowed and hypnotized by the daily dose of bafflegab about case counts. The media acts as a megaphone for the public health morons and there’s even less airing of alternative perspectives on the plague than there is in the US or the UK.

    Dark times (and that’s not just because it’s December in the true north.)

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    1. “incomprehensibly suggesting the progress of the pandemic is their fault.”

      sorry, edit for clarity – incomprehensibly suggesting that the relatively small number of hospitalizations and deaths that have sadly marked the progress of the pandemic is their personal fault for having behaved badly.

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    2. I always had this image of Canadians as strong, individualistic, silent types who go out into the dark winter and conquer it. And now I’m seeing a bunch of terrified, shivering babies wailing for the strong state to protect them from a head cold.

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      1. “terrified, shivering babies”

        Historically, both English and French speaking Canadians were more deferential to elite authority than Americans.

        This was greatly tempered by Canada’s elites being themselves divided over major policy questions and regional issues (reflecting the institutional model of Westminster parliamentarism channeling theatrical conflict between a government and a loyal opposition). The chattering classes maintained at least the illusion of some neutrality and professional distance from elite controversies.

        But it’s all broken down in the last decade or two in the Great Awokening that has swept the west. Canada’s elites have ceased to reproduce the traditional significant policy and political cultural divisions that created space for popular dissent. Ordinary Canadians are left with two choices in relation to their now mostly unified elites – compliance or passive aggression.

        The true north strong and free is now mostly just a marketing slogan for an NHL team based in Winnipeg.

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      2. Contrast this with how Indians are “doing” the pandemic. I was just speaking to a friend who lives in India and is getting married. I asked him if they are scaling down the wedding due to the pandemic. His reply: of course, one can’t have a large wedding because of the health and safety of people so we have only invited 100 people. I guess large weddings count as “essential” in India.

        And here we are, cowering in the U.S, closing down playgrounds and outdoor dining, all because hospitals are just as full as they were in winter 2019!

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    3. “has had months and months to fix their nursing home problem”

      If they’re not fixing that problem then they don’t want to…., from another country, but…

      metro.co.uk/2020/03/11/telegraph-journalist-says-coronavirus-cull-elderly-benefit-economy-12383907/

      pensionsage.com/pa/Govt-to-save-600m-on-state-pension-payments-in-2020-21-amid-Covid-19.php

      Once a government goes down the road of regarding people as potatoes to be moved around as necessary…. sooner or later it’s going to make sense to throw out the ones that have gone rotten…

      I’m not saying the Canadian or Quebec governments are purposefully killing old people who they regard as an economic drag… but they probably are not alarmed by the possibility and aren’t going to go out of their way to stop it.

      Eskimos, ice flows…. you know.

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      1. “sooner or later it’s going to make sense to throw out the ones that have gone rotten…”

        According to my experience, the health ministries of the world aren’t making a positive decision to kill anyone. They’re just indifferent.

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        1. “health ministries of the world aren’t making a positive decision to kill anyone. They’re just indifferent”

          Indifference and maybe someone higher up sees a small benefit… I’ve read that some government in Europe made the choice to not try to reduce tobacco consumption because it’s better for the government if non-working people die a few years earlier…

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          1. “Indifference and maybe someone higher up sees a small benefit…”

            According to my experience/conversations, yes, the ones who feel much more positive about it tend to be business minded rationals in the private sphere, since they consider money spent keeping old people alive as being a drain on potential profits in more exciting areas of the economy. They also want the assets of those elderly to be sold or passed to younger, more energetic business minded people so as to create a “new renaissance”.

            At this point in time the ones in government that I have access to are mostly thinking about who is going to take the blame for any perceived mismanagement of the crisis, and how to make sure that they keep their own position.

            In other parts of the world I’m sure that there will be differences, but around here, that’s how it is.

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  2. ” about 70% of the deaths are still in nursing homes… Public health has had months and months to fix their nursing home problem.”

    As I noted above, instead they have persisted in locking down the healthy while simultaneously blaming them for serious COVID cases and deaths.

    If Canada is anything like the UK, our public health morons may have also failed to deal with a serious hospital problem – we can’t know for sure one way or the other because public health won’t tell us much of anything about the actual vectors of transmission.

    From the front page of tomorrow’s Daily Telegraph (seriously paywalled) there is this to make us all stop and wonder:

    “Ten thousand patients catch Covid-19 while in hospital

    By Investigations Team

    More than 10,000 people caught coronavirus when they were being treated in hospital for other illness, The Daily Telegraph can disclose. Since August more than 16 per cent of people treated for Covid in hospitals in England acquired the virus there. At one NHS trust nearly four in every 10 Covid-19 cases it was treating had been acquired in its hospitals.”

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      1. Thanks for the interesting link – this paragraph stood out for me:

        But on the whole, patients infected few other patients directly. Instead staff members spread the disease from patient to patient and from department to department—perhaps sometimes without becoming infected themselves. “We think in the main it’s likely to have been from [staff] hands and shared patient care items like thermometers, blood pressure cuffs, and stethoscopes,” says Richard Lessells, an infectious disease specialist at the KwaZulu-Natal Research Innovation and Sequencing Platform and one of the study leaders. He and the other authors found no evidence that aerosol transmission contributed to the outbreak.”

        This is the kind of medical lead public health should be pursuing in protecting the vulnerable in nursing homes rather than obsessing about locking down the healthy.

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  3. // I’m not saying the Canadian or Quebec governments are purposefully killing old people who they regard as an economic drag… but they probably are not alarmed by the possibility
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    // I’ve read that some government in Europe made the choice to not try to reduce tobacco consumption because it’s better for the government if non-working people die a few years earlier…

    That’s what I’ve been thinking about too long before covid – once many people live on UBI, what will their lives be worth? Saying we are not in dickensian times, so the not working won’t die from hunger, and that human rights won the day doesn’t convince me the UBI receivers will be fine.

    I imagine the ‘right’ to receive UBI will depend on fulfilling requirements such as receiving covid vaccinations, sending kids to online ‘schools’, writing correct things (loyalty oaths) on social media to promote ruling ideology and so on.

    Clarissa, you have once written (cannot find the post now) that a book on today’s world presents the privilege of working in a way that made you prefer the not working option since the working class would be under constant surveillance and in a rat race, thus hurting one’s humanity and destroying inner world.

    Imo, the non-working UBI receivers will be tinkered with even more since their chief (only?) value would lie in being laboratory mice for big tech experiments to mold human beings into cookie cut out patterns for R&D. At least, the working classes cannot be twisted too much since that would endanger their functionality. Once functionality is optional, the sky is the limit.

    I do not say the world is descending into such dystopia – just that it would’ve been the logical result of making dreams of some corporate lords and naive people come to life.

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    1. Well, we have seen the idea floated that the COVID vaccine should go to “people of color” first. What is that if not using non-white people as laboratory animals to conduct experiments?

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      1. // Well, we have seen the idea floated that the COVID vaccine should go to “people of color” first. What is that if not using non-white people as laboratory animals to conduct experiments?

        It’s not non-white people; it’s non-working people OR those who work in non-tech, working class, soon to be eliminated jobs.

        And what we see is only the beginning… Imagine if UBI takes hold…

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        1. I prefer it that way, to be honest, than to be forced to take this garbage myself. I really hope there’s a line to take the vaccine. I’ll volunteer to be at the very end.

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  4. Thought you may like this Rod’s post linking to several curious essays. One quote (from Quillette, of all places):

    “The postmodern re-engineering of left-wing political theory has included the redefinition of “privilege” in a way that is separate from economics, a definition of “sex” that is separate from biology, and a definition of “violence” that does not involve actual violence. It’s a language and a narrative that completely abandons the working class, while erroneously taking for granted our loyalty. Until recently, I have thought my objections with the new Left were the result of its ideological incoherence. But when I deal honestly with my reactions to issues of sexual violence, I can see that my politics has always come from a more personal place.”

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/white-privilege-didnt-save-me-god-did-edie-wyatt/

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  5. It’s not THAT astounding that they get people (including those in authority) to go along with a collective narrative.
    After all, aren’t these the same populations who “fall in with” whatever latest trends the industries and advertisers promote on television, radio, magazines and online?

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