Healthy Young Person

“A healthy young person gets serious consequences from COVID!” a CNN segment proclaims with glee.

Then they show the healthy young person in question, and she doesn’t fit the TV screen, she’s so obese. You don’t get to be that weight at 20 if something isn’t seriously wrong with you.

But people who’ve been zombified by these lies for almost a year hear the segment as a justification for keeping schools closed.

The “healthy young person” from the segment is very much alive and bursting with energy to get interviewed. But now she’ll spend the rest of her life blaming the serious health problems that await her on a positive COVID test and not on the obesity.

This isn’t the first healthy young COVID sufferer I’ve seen on the CNN. They invariably look like they go into doors sideways. But people invariably believe these segments and watch them uncritically.

As I keep saying, it will be over when we decide it’s over.

32 thoughts on “Healthy Young Person”

  1. The other day, I was looking at a page on a social media site where people who have been infected go to support one another. It’s a good place to get a sense of new wonderful things that may end up being quite bad in the future.

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      1. Saw the imgur photo. That exact same thing happened to me! In 2008. I had no money for dentists and it was a front tooth. It was not pleasant. I looked like a freak.

        If only I knew it was because of COVID!

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            1. I am leaning towards accepting that teeth fall out as a consequence of SARSCOV2 infection because so many different people said something similar in a self animated and spontaneous way, from all over the world, who had no reason to lie about it, while previously I occupied myself for several years with understanding undercurrents and future patterns by looking at online behaviour – in particular, word use.

              In other words, what I used to do was to pore over what people were saying online (or reading their emails, if it were a one on one interaction) so as to identify future changes or evolving motivations based on how the same person or groups of people slowly changed their language.

              In my opinion, based on how people are talking, the people claiming that COVID made their teeth fall out believe it to be true.

              In addition to that, it makes sense that in at least some people, depending on the site of initial SARSCOV2 infection, the loss of a tooth or teeth is the logical outcome.

              Anyway, as you probably know, teeth aren’t dead hunks of rock stuck onto your gums, but complex living things comprised of many different substances and created by many different cell types. Taking a tiny amount of the wrong antibiotic, for example, can change their colour or make them brittle.

              The SARSCOV2 virus has proven itself capable of entering, disturbing the function of, or destroying many different cell systems. So, to me, the idea that a viral infection could attack nerves in the jaw or affect blood supply or even by pure accident set off the same trigger that makes baby teeth fall out isn’t a strange idea. I’d want more proof before accepting it of course, but as things are going, something like that will probably be confirmed at some point in a few months/years imo.

              In regards to your statement “While my story is a lie because…?”, I don’t think that you’re lying, but rather, don’t think that you’re serious, because you also stated “Saw the imgur photo. That exact same thing happened to me! In 2008.”.

              Since the SARSCOV2 virus, to my knowledge, only appeared in its present form in 2019, I do not see how your tooth fell out because of a virus that only appeared a decade or so later.

              That must have been really terrible to go through, by the way.

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              1. It was mildly inconvenient, not terrible. Let’s not exaggerate. I didn’t seek out a support group or anything.

                I agree that these people believe it to be true. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is the most popular fallacy around. But the sincerity of belief isn’t proof of anything.

                Assumptions based on what seems logical on the basis of limited information and wishful thinking (known as confirmation bias) is another.

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              2. “Assumptions based on what seems logical on the basis of limited information and wishful thinking (known as confirmation bias) is another.”

                Respectfully Clarissa, I think it would be good if everyone here had a think about this sentence because it is clear that both those who think the pandemic to be very serious, and those who think it to be no more than a flu can be equally guilty of this kind of prejudice.

                As for myself, I did not assume anything, let alone claim that anything was proven. In fact, I stated specifically “I’d want more proof before accepting it of course, but as things are going, something like that will probably be confirmed at some point in a few months/years imo.”

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              3. COVID is a lot less serious than the flu because it doesn’t kill children. That’s a fact and not what anybody thinks or considers probable. And it’s been scientifically proven since March.

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              4. Oh, I think you’ll find that SARSCOV2 kills children just as well as it kills adults. Just not right away, or very neatly.

                After all, as it stands right now, there is no evidence that anyone actually recovers from it.

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              5. “After all, as it stands right now, there is no evidence that anyone actually recovers from it.”

                There is one thing we can be completely sure about. Everyone who contracts Coronavirus will die. Eventually.

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              6. “There is one thing we can be completely sure about. Everyone who contracts Coronavirus will die. Eventually.”

                Yes, perhaps even in the same way early HIV patients eventually died. About 18 months after being infected.

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  2. “perhaps even in the same way early HIV patients eventually died. About 18 months after being infected”

    If that’s true it’s just all the more reason to hate and despise the inhuman Chinese Communist Party and their bungled initial response (and allergic reaction to anything like transparency).

    How many tens of millions more lives will they be guilty of ending? Biggest mass murderers in history or what?

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    1. Or maybe it’s going to be just like Hiroshima. Or just like Hitler. Or just like the Ice Age. Or just like pickled cucumbers. Or just like just like just like.

      We are all going to DIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!

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    2. “If that’s true it’s just all the more reason to hate and despise the inhuman Chinese Communist Party and their bungled initial response (and allergic reaction to anything like transparency).”

      So far the only thing that can be said with certainty is that most people who are infected do not experience noticeable symptoms, while many who are infected do experience symptoms that sometimes lead to death. In either case, there is no proof that the virus completely resolves, because there seem to be too many instances of some kind of relapse.

      If relapses happen over and over, it seems likely that the virus will shorten the lives of many people who are of an advanced age, which means, in turn, that the number wouldn’t be tens of millions. It’d be higher, unless some kind of therapy becomes available and mainstream.

      Regarding the CCP, I’d argue that they did not bungle, but rather that authoritarian regimes can’t cope with or process these kinds of events because handling them properly requires not punishing the people who try to tell you that there is a problem – which is the opposite of what the regime does. Imo Chernobyl is the example to look at.

      Anyway putting the definitely primarily guilty CCP aside, I think that our own governments probably failed very badly in their own duty as well. We all could have shut the door on China in December 2019 but didn’t. So in a way they’re all guilty of murder/manslaughter/crimes against humanity imo.

      May I ask how things are over where you live, Cliff? I get a bit worried about everyone living in cold places.

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      1. “how things are over where you live, Cliff?”

        Barely anything in March-April then slow down to even less, then the major wave began in October, crested and is now slowly decreasing…
        Crisis management is how everything works here so no one was surprised that the second (really first) wave caught the government unaware.
        One weird thing is that the the announced official from-covied vs with-covid death rates are seem closer to around 25 percent (I have no idea how they’re counting…. though the local culture is to count everything in the most pessimistic way possible).
        People are mostly not really actively afraid of it ( culturally people are unhappy about uncertain and/or novel situations but are willing and able to live with calculated risks – unlike most English speaking countries which are the opposite).
        If not for government mandates most things would be back to normal and everything the government hasnt’ closed has reopened.

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  3. I hate these personal tragic stories that are on the news all the time. Why do I need to know about this? It’s complete fear mongering. When fat obese men like Donald Trump and Chris Christie survive this, and they are in the more vulnerable age group, that should tell everybody COVID is not THAT deadly.

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  4. I mean. I wasn’t in the best shape, but it’s a long ways between “not in the best shape” and “now needs an inhaler and high-dose NSAIDs to function day to day.” Also some extreme fatigue that comes and goes and severely limits my ability to do things. It’s not necessarily what you would call “severe consequences”—I’m not on oxygen or anything— but it isn’t nothing, either.

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    1. You are in healthcare, though. And this is a young woman who isn’t. She weighs at least 300 lbs and complains of shortness of breath and difficulty walking. I don’t think it’s possible not to have these symptoms at that weight.

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      1. A friend of mine (in her early 30s, no chronic health issues, normal weight and quite sporty) still can’t stand up for more than a few minutes 3 months after COVID. Permanent lung and heart damage, and also neurological symptoms, and she didn’t have a very severe course of the disease while it was going on, nor did she get this from a super virus-heavy environment such as a hospital… If the 10% of people who still have symptoms months after the disease is over have symptoms 1/100 of hers, I still wouldn’t call this a disease young healthy people don’t need to worry about.

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        1. And I know an obese diabetic with heart issues in her 80s who had COVID and had only a bit of a cough. Barely noticed it. I also know a guy in his 70s, months after heart surgery who got infected and had no symptoms whatsoever.

          If I were to conclude on the basis of these anecdotes that COVID poses no danger to people over 80 with severe health issues, would I be right?

          Of course, not. These are personal anecdotes that are meaningless in terms of general trends.

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          1. I’m glad your friends/acquaintances were ok. I have some elderly parents of acquaintances that made it through with no apparent damage, so it’s not game over until it’s game over.

            I offered my friend as an example since you also built this post around an example of an obese, short of breath young person. As far as the general trends go, we’re seeing 1 in 10 people still have symptoms 12 weeks later https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4915 . I don’t know of a similar study done in Romania (where as I’ve said to Cliff, COVID panic is far less of a thing than in the West), but given what our doctors also report seeing, I really really doubt they’re wrong by more than 1 order of magnitude.

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        2. ” I still wouldn’t call this a disease young healthy people”

          Your friend sounds like an interesting and important case but in the current sensation and hysteria driven media narratives it’s hard to separate noise and signal and so we don’t have much chance to figure out what’s really going on with her and how much of it is covid vs something activated or made worse by covid or something else entirely.
          The problem now is no one in a position of authority has any real incentive to be honest anymore…. they have to admit to mistakes in calling for extended lockdowns or not shutting down travel from China or using bad tests (PCR) so we have a whole network of governments that have a vested interest in maintaining public fear…
          And I suspect that in Romania public health for anything not covid has come to a standstill… and there’s not much chance of getting real answers for your friend until we get back to some version of normal functioning…

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          1. It’s like bee stings. Some – very few – people die of them. But if instead of figuring out why these few people have such an adverse reaction, we all locked ourselves inside every summer, that wouldn’t be smart.

            Instead, humanity gathered it wits, didn’t overreact, and now we know that these people are allergic and need to carry an epi pen.

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            1. Seeing some really nice results on ivermectin, both as early-symtoms treatment and as prophylactic (out of ~800 COVID ward personnel in Brazil who took a weekly dose, 0 caught covid in the couple months of the study, as opposed to about 50% of the personnel in the covid group). Safe, reliable, cheap medicine, used for decades to prevent parasitic infections. Vitamin D supplements also help, and there seem to be quite a few antivirals that seem to do a good job in symptomatic patients https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-current-treatment-for-Covid-19 . Most of these wouldn’t yet be very accessible to me in Romania, unfortunately, although I’ll stock up on ivermectin in case I or my family or friends end up being direct contacts to someone infected.

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            2. “It’s like bee stings. Some – very few – people die of them. ”

              The number of people reporting reinfection or resurgence is growing rapidly. So, rather than bee stings, the better analogy might be exposure to nuclear radiation, since nuclear radiation kills few people quickly but many (or post) people later from sequelae.

              To illustrate, since many people infected with SARSCOV2 are sustaining such things as heart damage, it seems logical to expect that many will die of things like heart attacks or something much sooner than they would have if they had never been infected with SARSCOV2.

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          2. “And I suspect that in Romania public health for anything not covid has come to a standstill”

            It was bad for a few months in spring but since then, it really hasn’t. There are separate COVID and non-COVID wards for everything, there’s triage (questionset + temperature for short consultations, rapid tests for, say, ER visits and longer consultations, rapid tests + PCR for anything involving a longer stay) which gives people a sense of safety. I don’t know of anyone who has postponed a medical procedure because of COVID risks since summer started, and my social circle veers more careful than average. On my yearly eye exam, the polyclinic seemed as busy as always.

            “The problem now is no one in a position of authority has any real incentive to be honest anymore….”

            The government narrative here is profoundly against lockdowns. The story is “we locked down for two months in the spring because the disease was new and we didn’t know how to protect ourselves from it, nor did we have the material supplies, but now that this is fixed, there will be no more full lockdowns because we also need a functioning economy – national measures as light as we can hold them without running out of COVID ATI beds, and per-city/town/village measures based on the % of the population that caught the virus in the last two weeks. The latter are decided at a county level, with the local authorities allowed to impose measure X when the rate in town Y is above Z but not mandated to do so.”. There’s very little hysteria in the population about how if people only locked themselves in their houses everything would be fine.

            “we don’t have much chance to figure out what’s really going on with her and how much of it is covid vs something activated or made worse by covid or something else entirely.”

            1.5 years ago, she had some chest scans to check for lack of sequelae after a bronchitis. These were fine, so we know that the fibrosis, heart muscle damage etc showed up after that, and her doctors tell her the stuff she has is consistent to what they’ve seen in many other COVID patients.

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  5. “it will be over when we say it’s over”

    I don’t doubt that the media loves to report doom, and that most politicians love a state of emergency. There are incentives for the media to engage in fearmongering, and for politicians to enact restrictions. But I am still not sure how misleading the reported statistics are, or what a proportionate response would be. (The answer to both questions is surely, that it depends very much on location.)

    Consider the UK’s current wave of covid deaths, for example. One just hears a number – so many hundred people died today. But did they die because of covid, or just while they had covid? And what are the demographics? Are these people already aged or sick? Similar questions could be asked about the thousands who are in hospital with covid – how bad is it? Are they all seriously ill, just some of them, or what?

    It would be nice to see somewhere on Earth, where this level of detail is easily available, from the local ministry of health.

    For those who agree with Clarissa that the exaggeration is so great, that a collective waking up from fear, is necessary and sufficient to end the emergency… I would like to hear specifics, and a progress report. Is there a clear alternative to the current emergency regime that you endorse, e.g. the focused protection of the Great Barrington Declaration? What actually happens under such a regime – does the virus become endemic until everyone develops immunity and it dies out, but that’s OK because it’s harmless for healthy people? (I’ll mention in passing that vitamin D seems to be highly protective.) And, is there any progress towards an end to the emergency via this route? How far along are we? Are there politicians who are defying the fearmongering, despite new “waves” happening in so many countries (and is that happening mostly because it’s northern hemisphere winter?), or are we still at the stage of samizdat and localized protests?

    In case my own position is not clear: I want this thing over as soon as possible, and I pin my hopes on the vaccines producing enough of a lasting change that the public health officials will call off the crisis. I am agnostic about how bad the exaggeration is, and what a truly proportionate response would be – thus all the questions. I live in a part of Australia so relatively untouched that I have never even had to wear a mask, but I have a dear friend in Canada whose well-being is at risk so long as everything remains shut down; so that’s what makes the lockdowns personal for me.

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    1. Great comment, thank you!

      My position is: lockdowns didn’t work, masks didn’t work, social distancing didn’t work. It all needs to end today. Testing of healthy people needs to end today. PCR tests need to stop immediately. We’ve tried this for 10 months and it didn’t work. Time to stop.

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