Testing Question

OK, can someone explain to me how this COVID testing works? You stand for 15 minutes with a bunch of unmasked people who are all actively spitting into an uncovered container. It takes forever to fill the container because after 2 hours in a warm, cramped space people get dehydrated and the saliva doesn’t come easily.

You are not allowed to close the container between spits. Some people shake theirs. When you are done, you stand around for additional ten minutes with the open container while the unmasked people around you are still actively spitting into theirs. The nurse grabs the container, gives it a vigorous shake and only then closes it.

I thought this is an aerosol virus that spreads around in invisible particles. How is this scenario not the perfect way to infect as many people as possible and make sure one positive sample infects everybody else’s? Why aren’t we allowed to close the containers between spits? I’m a bit of a hypochondriac and I’m now getting anxiety.

Everybody here knows that I’m not unduly preoccupied with getting infected. But I’ve got to tell you, folks, that situation didn’t feel safe. Forget COVID. We are in the respiratory illness season. How is this not a high-risk situation?

Right now I want to be reassured there’s something I don’t understand about the testing or the way the virus spreads.

23 thoughts on “Testing Question”

  1. “how this COVID testing works

    The scenario you describe cannot be western medicine -it’s pure voodoo… it reminds me of the ending of the great Senegali movie Xala, scene from 2:02 (link below, only watch if you have a very strong stomach).

    Alternately I assume those making the protocols are trying to jack up the numbers as much as possible to keep the grift going….

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  2. “Right now I want to be reassured there’s something I don’t understand about the testing or the way the virus spreads.”

    You understand perfectly well and have just experienced an incompetent part of the system.

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    1. “Incompetent” means it didn’t achieve the desired outcome.

      I tried posting this story to the discussion board of our union and they refused to publish it. They are very friendly with our governor who has a lot invested into making sure there are many more cases.

      So hey, it’s not incompetent if it makes you very rich.

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      1. What do you think the union’s motivation is for “many more cases”? Do you think they get a kick back somewhere? I know hospitals get the money when someone tests positive so there is an incentive to diagnose so they get the money, but what do union reps get? And what does the school get? I can’t believe they are all just evil or that blatantly stupid (sheeple!).

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        1. They love our governor. The governor wants the casedemic to go on for as long as possible. The existing numbers don’t justify another emergency order, so he won’t be able to issue a new one. Unless a whole bunch of new cases materializes before January 11.

          The school gets nothing. The administration resisted this as long as it could. But the union whipped up hysteria and the administration had to cave.

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      2. ““Incompetent” means it didn’t achieve the desired outcome.”

        No, the word ‘failure’ means that it didn’t achieve the desired outcomes. What I mean is that the way that the system functions cannot achieve success. The function and the outcome are different.

        “I tried posting this story to the discussion board of our union and they refused to publish it. They are very friendly with our governor who has a lot invested into making sure there are many more cases.

        So hey, it’s not incompetent if it makes you very rich.”

        A person benefitting from an incompetent system does not somehow remove the incompetence. Benefit and incompetence exist side by side in many places. So, your incompetent governor who is failing to control the virus is paid handsomely, as are the union staff who are failing to protect their member.

        This kind of thing is very widespread, and imo is why the future holds so much suffering. Idiots are in charge of too many important things imo.

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  3. I don’t think English has enough swearwords to express just how bullshit this is. Multiple people horking repeatedly in a small enclosed space, are they nuts?!?! Filling up a container of drool for a test that works off a swab? Aerating the fucking thing? I’m sorry, there are no words, no words for this level of incompetence or malevolence or whatever the fuck this is, these people can’t be trusted to run the toilet paper dispensation at a communist-era public toilet, I’d normally say run a popcorn stand but that already has far too many moving parts, hot plates, electrical outlets etc. for these guys’ pay grade. And the union is hemming and hawing and making let’s not piss off the boss noises?!? I’m afraid to even ask in case I get another such bit of culture shock, but is there a local press, and if yes, what the fuck is it doing?

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    1. Right? RIGHT??? We have dry through testing in different locations in town. Sean tests. No need to leave the vehicle. And instead of sending us there, they organize this insanity.

      I’m trying to get the word out about this but I’m not being successful so far.

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    2. “but is there a local press, and if yes, what the fuck is it doing?”

      AFAICT the local press was largely eliminated in the US in the 1990s early 2000s for reasons of economic “efficiency”

      Most local papers that do still exist have a skeleton staff who edit wire service stories and copy edit stories written in places like the Philippines and/or by computers…

      The death of local journalism is one of the greatest sins of neoliberalism…

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      1. I posted the story on FB. There’s zero interest from colleagues and local friends. A post about a candle called “MAGA tears” is trending, however.

        We are so screwed.

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      2. @ cliff arroyo: “AFAICT the local press was largely eliminated in the US in the 1990s early 2000s for reasons of economic “efficiency””

        According to my experience, the free press of the world was folded into the political structure mainly by way of threat of litigation, and so put on a leash. Julian Assange found that out the hard way.

        What is really interesting about the SARSCOV2 virus is that many of the people who usually put others on leashes are also learning the hard way that the virus is dangerous well beyond their expectations. So, the entire structure of know-it-alls, sycophants, suck ups, and idiots who have been in charge of our institutions for quite a while making life hell for the average person with their stupidity etc are basically running around bumping their heads together like complete idiots while a really horrible disease stalks them personally.

        From a certain point of view it’s really fantastic to watch 🙂

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        1. I don’t even want to imagine the hysteria if there was actually a somewhat serious virus going around.

          But hey, we might find out. I’m sure there’s a lot more in the lab that this one came from.

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          1. “I don’t even want to imagine the hysteria if there was actually a somewhat serious virus going around.”

            You don’t have to imagine. Just watch Europe over the course of the next few weeks.

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              1. The next two weeks are going to be the worst! They’ve been the worst since March. Just wait until we reach the peak. It’s almost in sight.

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              2. “Haven’t you been saying that since October?”

                Yes of course, and had anyone watched since October when I said to, they would have seen the number of detected cases and deaths more than double.

                Personally I think that a doubling of infections and deaths in the space of 10 weeks is a bit alarming, especially when there really isn’t any reason to think that it’ll stop doubling.

                So anyway like I said, watch Europe over the next few weeks. It should look a bit more dramatic.

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  4. Questions:
    1. How far apart were people in the spitty room?
    2. Where were the air ducts, vents, etc?
    3. Was there air blowing around?

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    1. I don’t know about air ducts but there was a door right there with people coming in and going out. People were walking around constantly in the spitting section because it’s a multistage process. It’s not like people just stood there. The nurse was moving between the tables so you had to follow her. And then stand in a new spot with the open vial. In the meantime, somebody comes through the back door, brushes past you, somebody needs to ask a question, the cap falls on the floor, the nurse goes to find a new one, a bunch of people follows her – it was a mess.

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      1. Found this with a very simple search:

        “Only a very small amount of saliva is needed to conduct a COVID-19 saliva test — less than a quarter of a teaspoon. So, patients are usually asked to let it pool in the bottom of their mouths for a few seconds without swallowing, then lean forward and let it drip into the small, sterile container they’re provided.

        Spitting is something testers try to avoid, because that can generate aerosols. ”

        https://www.mdanderson.org/cancerwise/do-covid-19-coronavirus-saliva-tests-work.h00-159384312.html

        Makes your situation sound like bumbling incompetence…

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