Not a Hypocrite

Shaun King now says that Ashli Babbitt was a bad shooting and the police didn’t have the right to shoot her. I now like him more than before because at least he’s not a bloody hypocrite like the others. If Michael Brown was a bad shooting, then so is Babbitt.

I obviously disagree because I believe that if you choose to be violent and unruly around the police, you choose the consequences. Babbitt knew what she was doing, she made her choice, and it ended badly.

There is no logic under which Jacob Blake’s shooting is unjustified and Babbitt’s is. And vice versa. The fact that what she was doing was more moral (she wasn’t abusing kids, so it was by definition more moral) doesn’t make a difference to the outcome.

15 thoughts on “Not a Hypocrite”

  1. “I believe that if you choose to be violent and unruly around the police, you choose the consequences”

    Depends what is meant by ‘unruly.’

    Lukashenko and Putin have their own definition, democratic societies – a very different one.

    Would police be justified to start shooting all rioters inside Capitol Hill or even outside but near it?

    What has this woman done to be murdered? Did she try to denotate something as one Russian blogger proposed?

    Israeli police and IDF forces shoot (would-be terrorists) quite often, but not citizens during demonstrations.

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    1. The Capitol police showed amazing restraint, so we are lucky only one person got shot. But yes, everybody who decided to storm the Capitol chose to accept the consequences. Now many will be jailed, and I’m sure they knew it when they started storming the building. Violent death was an easily anticipated consequence.

      And it wasn’t s demonstration, come on. People were storming a building that was protected by police.

      General rule: don’t get violent or even somewhat pissy with police. If you do, the consequences are all yours.

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      1. // General rule: don’t get violent or even somewhat pissy with police. If you do, the consequences are all yours.

        I hope you would apply it to f.e. Palestinians / Israeli Arabs getting ‘pissy’ with IDF / police too , thus showing you believing in equality even if it doesn’t lead to equity.

        Read this today, thus the thought:

        //Army says two men attempted to grab officer and his rifle during scuffle over illegal construction, causing stray bullet to hit 24-year-old man who is now left quadriplegic according to Palestinian health ministry

        It said the commanding officer had fired warning shots in the air, and as the shots were fired, “two Palestinians attacked the commander — one grabbing him forcibly and the other seizing his weapon. As a result, a stray round struck another Palestinian who was part of the riot.”

        The army said that a separate Military Police investigation was also underway. //

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        1. They thought their cause was more important than the consequences. So did Ashli. I respect that. All I say is that the consequences were predictable and unavoidable.

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      2. There are photos going around showing rioters with tactical gear carrying zip ties:

        Zip ties are what you use to handcuff people or block doors. I have to admit, that is chilling to me. Wednesday could have gone way way worse.

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        1. It could be a trick of the light, but that guy looks weirdly photoshopped. The leg is odd. Weird things do happen in actual photographs, so I’m not saying it’s fake, just… I’d want to see a few more of the same guy before trying to call it. Where did the photo come from?

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          1. Okay, reverse image-searched it, and found another one in the series– seems legit. Still, my inner skeptic says wait a week and see what turns up, before drawing any conclusions. Internet sleuths have been hard at work, and it begins to look as though there were a number of people involved in these photo-ops who could not, in any way, be characterized as Trump supporters. There are also, clearly, people there who were, without doubt, actual Trump supporters. Muddy waters. I’m withholding judgement about what, exactly was going on there, and who was involved.

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      3. “General rule: don’t get violent or even somewhat pissy with police. If you do, the consequences are all yours.”

        Attitudes like that are how police states turn into slave states. It’s the mindset of a peasant.

        Where I live there were some police who got a little bit too used to their orders being followed, and behaved in a despotic way. No one could do anything about it because the police would have them jailed.

        After that, for some strange reason, some teenagers who could not be jailed due to their age lost control of the car they were driving and drove into the police, causing a big crash and injuries.

        Afterwards, the police officers in question somehow had a change of heart and were nicer to people.

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    2. “What has this woman done to be murdered? Did she try to denotate something as one Russian blogger proposed?”

      She was the first person to try to jump through a barricaded door as they were evacuating congressmen. Had she gotten through, she would have been in direct contact with VIP congressmen, that’s why she was swiftly shot.

      Here is a full video of the confrontation:
      [video src="https://cdn.tuckbot.tv/kt9w21.mp4" /]

      You can also see they were quite violent.

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      1. Yep. And as somebody with military training, I’m sure she knew what she was doing.

        My heart breaks for her and her kids but it was a predictable result. There should be no consequences for the police who shot her.

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        1. At the same time, there’s an enormous double standard. The BLM burned a federal building. Murdered people. Murdered children. Looted, maimed, harassed, and assaulted. And nobody got shot.

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  2. Here’s another photo of what appears to be the same man as he climbs up to the balcony with what seems to be the ties in his hand: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/protester-is-seen-hanging-from-the-balcony-in-the-senate-news-photo/1294931398

    A different helmeted man also appears to be carrying ties in this photo: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/protesters-enter-the-senate-chamber-on-january-06-2021-in-news-photo/1294933542

    A charitable interpretation would be that they intended to barricade themselves inside by either somehow tying doors shut or tying themselves to furniture or fixtures. Less charitably, perhaps they intended to take hostages…

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    1. Definitely not the same dude hanging from balcony unless he changed his shoes, hat, all his clothes and ditched the backpack between pics. Are you sure you linked the right photo?

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