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The Bank of #England has decided to remove historical figures like Churchill, Jane Austen, and Alan Turing from future banknotes and replace them with images of #British wildlife. #UKNEWS 🇬🇧

https://x.com/cmadsq/status/2064308280390762720

Among other things, a nation-state requires a cast of Great People who represent the spirit of the nation and are venerated by the citizenry. These should be great leaders, artists and scientists who embody the best qualities that the nation identifies with.

20 responses to “Great People of the Nation”

  1. oldcowboy3 Avatar
    oldcowboy3

    LOL, modern British politicians have to remember that those of the past have a habit of telling unfortunate truths. Although Churchill considered Muslim soldiers courageous, he also wrote: “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.”

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    Anonymous

    Winston Churchill was the great betrayer of the British empire. Both Churchill and Hitler knew that the Empire could not survive another great war yet, despite multiple peace offerings from Hitler, Churchill carried on with this suicidal mission. While rallying his fellow subjects to fight to preserve the Empire he was simultaneously undermining it, beginning with the Atlantic Charter and ending with Bretton Woods where Churchill agreed to convert the global currency from the Pound to the Dollar thereby ending forever the Empire. Churchill began that war with a promise to preserve Poland and ended it with a total betrayal of all of eastern Europe. No hero he, this was not their finest hour.

    Walnut

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    1. Clarissa Avatar

      All of this nitpicking is enormously less important than preserving the nation state today. What you’re doing is exactly the same as when my students tell me that we shouldn’t read Cervantes today because he was “Islamophobic.”

      The reason why we’re losing the nation state is not because of evil globalist elites. It is because we don’t want the nation state, or at least we don’t want it more than being very special cookies all the time.

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        Anonymous

        What was the Second World war but the defeat of Nationalism by Globalist forces. Don’t underestimate the demoralization of generations by the endless barrage of Evil Globalist propaganda, largely unchecked.

        Walnut

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        1. Clarissa Avatar

          This is undeniably true. However, the interesting thing is that nationalism did not turn into a dirty word in 1945. The idea that Hitler should mean that nationalism is the worst possible evil was invented over 20 years later.

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            Anonymous

            Yes, they are very, very patient. My father fought in the Second World War, he never recovered from it. His demise took decades, decades of heavy drinking and smoking and the slow realization that everything he had thought he was fighting against he was actually fighting for. Roe v. Wade almost killed him. The corruption of the Church finished him off.

            Walnut

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            1. Clarissa Avatar

              This is very similar to the story of my grandfather who also fought and was devastated by the results.

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  3. oldcowboy3 Avatar
    oldcowboy3

    Hmmm, I believe we have had this dance before ;-D

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      Anonymous

      We have, but you can’t know where you’re going if you don’t know where you are. And you can’t know where you are if you don’t know where you’ve gone wrong.

      Walnut

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      1. oldcowboy3 Avatar
        oldcowboy3

        Well, as a Canuck teenager, I read a great many of Churchill’s writings. The man was hardly perfect, but he was hardly an ogre, and he stood his ground when everybody else gave up. On the other hand, Hitler broke every political agreement he ever made.

        My Dad served six years in the north Atlantic. My uncle served the same six years as a commando and then a paratrooper. Neither ever said much about the fighting. My rough and tough uncle would talk quietly about the deliberate f’ing Nazi starving of Dutch children, and his horror when they ran into Bergen-Belson — so ugly that tens of thousands were so emaciated they could not possibly be saved. So I have a pretty damned good idea exactly who were the utter complete rat bastards.

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        1. Clarissa Avatar

          Absolute horror. Unfortunately, many people aren’t intelligent enough to understand simultaneously that, yes, this is absolute, inexcusable horror, and also that it doesn’t mean that the nation-state always leads to Hitlerism. In reality, the nation-state has led to Hitlerism exactly one time. In the rest of the cases, it led to wonderful results. We’re ditching the whole thing because it failed once a long time ago. And we’re ditching it in favor of something that is likely not going to be great.

          I just came back to Madrid. The city has been devastated within just one year. The Madrid of 2026 is not the same city as a year earlier. Why is it being destroyed? For what purpose? To avoid Hitler? There was zero threat of Hitler in Madrid in October 2025.

          What are we even doing here? Why are we letting Hitler take away so much wonderful stuff? Why are we rewarding him like that?

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    Anonymous

    Those who starved in the camps did so as a result of allied bombing which destroyed the infrastructure and made it impossible to get food and supplies to the camps. You should look into the Bengal famines if you want to understand the kind of man Churchill really was. These man made famines resulted in the death of millions of pigtails, as he liked to call them, just to deny the Japanese access to the rice. The British empire was the most brutal empire since the fall of the Roman. Three of my four grandparents were from Ireland, I won’t tell you what they thought of the britts but rat bastards wouldn’t even come close.

    Walnut

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    1. cliff arroyo Avatar

      ” did so as a result of allied bombing”

      Those dastardly allies! All Hitler wanted was to feed the people he put in camps and the allies just made it impossible…. how much can one man of peace take?

      Did the allies also attack the radio station in Gliwice?

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    2. cliff arroyo Avatar

      “Three of my four grandparents were from Ireland”

      Okay, that explains it. At a personal level most Irish are lovely people but they get too much of their foreign policy attitudes from a sewer….

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    oldcowboy3

    Enough nonsense, Nazi concentration camps began in 1933, as dpon as they achieved the power to establish them. At first they concencentrated on political enermies but eventually they included the “undesireables”, the handicapped, Jews, Roma, Jehovah Witnesses, and other Christians opposed to Nazi doctrine. Most were worked to death on inadequate food, some were experimented upon, others simply killed. Allied bombing had sweet bugger all to do with it.

    The Dutch civilians in the northern half of Holland were slowly starved and frozen as punishment for a railway strike to support operation “Market Garden” an Allied attempt to avoid the defences of the Siegfried Line. Thousands froze and starved to death, the health of many that survived was impacted throughout their lives. Those that did make it only did so because a Canadian General threatened the German military with formal war charges, forcing the allowance of Allied supplies.

    The Bengal Famine of 1943 would appear to be a combination of previous seasons of agricultural failures, colonial incompetence, and the threats of ongoing Japanese military successes. You would do better to attack Kitchener’s concentration camps starving crowded tens of thousandsof Boer women and children, but then it was the public embarassment by British activist Emily Hobhouse that brought that to an end. And of course, Churchill’s public statement that the Boer were courageous, and if he were a Boer he would also be fighting ;-D

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    1. oldcowboy3 Avatar
      oldcowboy3

      damn, I miss the ability to edit ;-D

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      Anonymous

      Everything you said about the Bengal famine is a shameless lie, but you know that and clearly don’t care. It’s common knowledge the British invented the concentration camps during the Boer war so why would I mention it. Your camp data is largely wartime propaganda turned into history. The first time I was at Auschwitz they had a sign in english saying 4 million, mostly jews, were murdered there. The last time the sign said 1.5. I don’t know what it may say today. Somehow the 6 million number has held steady. The British empire consisted of 500 million people and one quarter of the worlds land mass. They didn’t achieve this by making a really good cup of hot tea.

      Walnut

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      1. Clarissa Avatar

        Whatever the Western civilization owed Bengal has been repaid a million times over, so I’m not sure why we need to keep fretting about it. Bengalis most certainly have zero interest in our famines and other suffering.

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      2. oldcowboy3 Avatar
        oldcowboy3

        “Everything you said about the Bengal famine is a shameless lie…”

        Really?

        Were there crop failures in the previous season?

        Were conditions worsened by a typhoon destroying mobility leading to local uncontrolled inflation/hoarding due to inept both the colonial and provincial governments?

        Had Japanese military success at that point removed any opportunity to receive any traditional sources of supplementary rice supplies?

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          oldcowboy3

          LOL, both the inept ;-D

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