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Q&A about Trump and Ukraine

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Because I feel like shit criticizing a country that’s waging a war for its survival, that’s why. This is the perfect opportunity for a proportional response. Trump said, strike anywhere except for oil refineries. Now would be a great moment to take out 10-15 high-rises in Moscow. It’s going close on 5 years of this. When is the time actually to start striking back? Daily, and I mean this daily, I read screeds from Ukrainians who complain that the West values the lives of Russians more highly than the lives of Ukrainians. “Because that’s what you’re teaching them with this way of waging war,” I respond, after which, of course, they block me.

I’ve been annoyed about this for years, as everybody on here knows, but it’s getting to me more than ever before because it’s been going on for so long.

As for Trump’s foreign policy, yes, he’s appeasing Russia, like 100% of American presidents since 1990. What else is new? Appeasing Russia and waging meaningless wars in the Middle East is where it’s been for decades. One keeps hoping that the generation of foreign policy advisors who came up with this strategy would age out of service and be replaced by people with a fresher, more productive vision, but it’s clearly not happening.

So, as you see, there is nothing interesting to say here. It’s same old, same old. I honestly have absolutely no insight whatsoever into why people would keep doing the same thing that is clearly not working, again and again, hoping for a different result with the cheerfulness of a congenital moron.

24 responses to “Q&A about Trump and Ukraine”

  1. oldcowboy3 Avatar
    oldcowboy3

    Kid, nobody is picking on Ukraine, most of the West accepted Ukrainian refugees, because to be blunt they are actually refugees. But it is Fall, Winter is coming. American allies are going to need Russian oil. And, don’t know about you, but I can see how a nuclear armed aged theocratic Iran might actually pose a serious risk to everybody.

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      As you can see from the post, my complaints are mostly about Ukraine’s strategy in the war. I don’t understand it. I think the strategy has been proven to be useless, and I find it extremely frustrating.

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    Anonymous

    “Trump said, strike anywhere except for oil refineries.”

    He’d complain too if Ukraine started taking out Russian civilian buildings. Ukraine would also lose the European support that is funding most of their war. So, no easy solution here.

    Bombing oil infrastructure actually gives Ukraine lots of leverage in negotiation. It has done a lot of damage to Russia, and the oil markets, so it’s not nothing.

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      Yes, lots of leverage, lots of Western support. It’s going to be 5 years of the wonderful leverage and the wonderful support. Yippee.

      As I said in a post on a different topic, only results matter. The results of the war are horrific for Ukraine. The strategy that leads to these results is a bad strategy.

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        Anonymous

        Bombing civilian buildings would not shorten it in any way. None of what you suggest would shorten this war.

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        1. Clarissa Avatar
          Clarissa

          Have you heard of World War II?

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      Anonymous

      How does $100 a barrel oil and above hurt Russia?

      Walnut

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      1. ed Avatar
        ed

        They can’t sell if their oil infrastructure keeps getting bombed.

        Oil is at over $100 mainly because of Trump’s Iran war. It has been below $100 for most of the Ukraine-Russia war, only now it’s spiking because of Hormuz.

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          Anonymous

          Russia’s oil and gas industry is vast, most of it far beyond the reach of Ukraine/NATO. India and China will buy whatever Russia will sell them, at more than double the price pre war, they don’t need to sell half as much.

          Walnut

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          1. Clarissa Avatar
            Clarissa

            The NATO is completely subservient to Russia. Please keep up.

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              Anonymous

              I’m sorry I don’t agree with you on that.

              Walnut

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              1. Clarissa Avatar
                Clarissa

                My friend, it will never stop being entertaining that you, of all people, are so supportive of the biggest anti-Nazi military operation of the 21st century.

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              2. cliff arroyo Avatar
                cliff arroyo

                “I don’t agree with you“

                You are aware that russia is attacking ships in the territorial waters of Romania and Bulgaria (both members of NATO), aren’t you?

                Trump apparently sees no problem with this (and those that do see a problem are being ignored in the rush to pretend it’s not happening).

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        2. Clarissa Avatar
          Clarissa

          And as we can all observe, none of it has had any impact on the course of the war. Civilians are getting killed every single day in Ukraine. I also hoped that oil would be the answer, but the event demonstrated that the fluctuations in the price of oil and the destruction of one-third of Russia’s oil refining capacity have had zero (and I repeat, zero) impact on the course of the war. Let’s observe reality and draw conclusions from what is, and not from what we would like to be.

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          1. ed Avatar
            ed

            This is a war of attrition and Russia most definitely has been seriously hurt. This is an economic war even more than it is a military war and it definitely is causing serious damage to their economy, even permanent damage they will be trying to fix for many decades.

            But most importantly, I don’t know how anything Trump is doing right now helps Ukraine in any way. It is their choice to hit Russia’s oil infrastructure and they have every right to keep hitting it, and neither the US nor anyone else should dictate to Ukraine what it can and cannot hit.

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            1. Clarissa Avatar
              Clarissa

              What Trump does in no way helps Ukraine. You’re right. In this, he’s exactly like every American president since 1990. They have all appeased Russia, so there is not much of a change in what Trump is doing.

              It just goes to show how badly liberalism infected everybody, if even Republican presidents are so enamored of the mother of Antifa.

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              1. cliff arroyo Avatar
                cliff arroyo

                “They have all appeased Russia”

                At least russia is paying Trump back in kind for his support. Lavrov flies to Iran says the Iranian cause is just and that russia will not abandon them.

                Trump must have a humiliation fetish that only russians know how to scratch.

                Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) ·

                Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov flew to Iran and spoke of Russia and Ukraine’s “civilian infrastructure,” while accusing the US and Israel of aggression against Iran.

                Speaking in Tehran, he said Russia “does not intend to abandon its agreements with Iran, regardless of the… pic.twitter.com/dVnSabxkw3

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              2. Clarissa Avatar
                Clarissa

                Well, Trump did say that Russia only helps Iran a little bit, and that help is not decisive. So it all must be good.

                I can’t even.

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  3. el Avatar
    el

    // Now would be a great moment to take out 10-15 high-rises in Moscow.

    It would achieve nothing except killing innocent people, including small kids.

    It would not stop war, but the opposite – make it harder to stop.

    Btw, when I expressed less … extreme ideas re our wars with Palestinians, I was treated as brainwashed and so on by some readers here, if you remember our conversations with SB.

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    1. cliff arroyo Avatar
      cliff arroyo

      “achieve nothing except killing innocent people”

      Please don’t use the word “innocent” in reference to russians… those useless mofo’s have had over 4 years to speak out or protest or… anything and they’ve sat on their useless asses. Almost all russians support the SVO either actively or passively and I no longer care what happens to them.

      If anything russian ‘opposition’ figures are worse than your average vatnik who has ignorance to use as a justification. Supposedly smarter people just spout the most retarded shit imaginable as a reason to not support putin.

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      1. Clarissa Avatar
        Clarissa

        I just saw on X, one of the leaders of the Russian anti-Putin opposition, celebrate the riots in France because they are anti-colonialist and progressive. These people are sheep. Whether they are for, or against Putin, they are incapable of thinking for themselves and managing themselves.

        In Russia, the social class that actually fights in the war has learned to derive such an enormous and heretofore unknown to it sense of pride and self-worth from “fighting Ukrainian Nazis” that they will never stop. These are people who have generationally been nothing but dust under the feet of their rulers, and all of a sudden they feel important and invested with a high civilizational mission. They will not stop. The only solution here is to stop them by force.

        Also, people are clueless if they don’t notice that the raging obsession with hunting nonexistent Nazis on the left comes from the same source, in a very literal way, as Russia’s anti-Nazi war against Ukraine. The slogans were written by the same people.

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    2. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      Once again, have you heard of Hitler? He was not defeated by tinkering with energy prices but by exactly what I propose here. Should Hitler not have been defeated?

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      1. Clarissa Avatar
        Clarissa

        4,5 years of this:

        https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2112225056478679118

        And still people argue this doesn’t deserve a proportional response.

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  4. cliff arroyo Avatar
    cliff arroyo

    On the russians (you know this, some readers may not).

    It’s almost impossible for westerners to describe how little the russian government cares about the citizenry… indifferent is too generous. It’s also almost impossible for westerners to realize how okay with this russians are. They love their way of life and genuinely don’t understand why everybody doesn’t want a tsar. So making like difficult for russian citizens doesn’t have any effect on the russian government (which regards citizens as an exploitable natural resource:).

    What they care about is their own money and power and the way to shorten the war is to directly threaten one or both.

    One thing I would do. Close all russian consulates and reduce embassies to skeleton staffs. Let your own nationals know that if they decide to visit russia they are on their own and will not be traded for russian criminals.

    russians abroad would have to return. This would include the worthelss prositute children of the elite. There is no good reason for them to leave their country. That would shake up the elite which is so far not really touched by the war. Also, the first thing russians do when they get money is to look for ways to park it outside the reach of the russian government so aggressively going after accounts owned by russian citizens would also be a good idea.

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