The Planned Parenthood Scandal

Hey, have you, folks, seen the scandalous Planned Parenthood video? Edited, schmedited, if any part of it is true, if it’s not a 100% hoax, these creatures deserve to be taken behind the barn and shot. I only managed to watch about 5 seconds of it before having to turn it off. Who is this horrible, vulgar freak of a woman and why does she have employment anywhere at all? I hope she gets fired immediately because this dumb piece of stupid trash just set reproductive rights decades back.

And to think she had to go and do this at the beginning of an election cycle. The election was the Democrats’ to lose before this, and now I just don’t know any longer.

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30 responses to “The Planned Parenthood Scandal”

The Dark Avenger

July 16, 2015

You can’t rely on the WaPo anymore:

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Is fetal tissue or organ procurement making clinics a profit? This new anti-abortion group says yes and extrapolates an “$86,400” a year profit for just one section of the organization. Yet to support that claim, the group released only one document from one clinic for one day, then multiplied it across four clinics and 48 weeks in order to come up with a massive number that it so far has shown no additional documentation to support. For an investigation “three years” in the making, that evidence is slightly underwhelming.

Overall, yes, the video put out by Center for Medical Progress is upsetting and off-putting. The highlights of the conversation were unpleasant, I shuddered when listening to the discussion of how the fetus can be removed, and the idea of a “menu” of fetal tissue and organs that could be procured depending on the gestational age of the pregnancies being terminated and the number of patients who consent to donating is one I hope I never have to encounter again. However, medicine overall is often gory and gruesome. Some doctors become callous to the process, and one person’s “unborn baby’s head” is a physician’s “calvarium.” An anti-abortion activist’s “preborn child” is often “products of conception” to someone who supports the right to terminate.

In the end, it doesn’t matter to abortion opponents if their accusations can hold up to scrutiny or not. The allegations do not need to have evidence to back them up — they only need to have a moment in the media to once more reframe the legal right and ability to end a pregnancy as “the abortion industry profiting off the destruction of human life.” After all, the same activists and policy makers who are promoting this video are also the same activists and policy leaders who believe that it is wrong to remove a person from life support, even if he or she has been declared brain-dead and incapable of recovery. They oppose euthanasia, no matter the suffering of the person whose life is slipping away. They believe that a fertilized egg kept frozen in limbo forever is “pro-life” but the use of that same blastocyst for scientific research to cure disease is “murder” and immoral. And they believe that there is no more honorable of a sacrifice than a mother who endangers her own life in order to reject a medically recommended abortion, even if she loses her life in the end.

Abortion opponents may be winning in their own media circles with this PR campaign against Planned Parenthood, but when it comes to actually proving illegal activity, at this point, their evidence is sorely lacking..

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a43326/center-for-medical-progress-planned-parenthood-abortion/

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Clarissa

July 16, 2015

I don’t understand the logic of “the video was released by bad people ergo the video is bad.” This vicious insect featured in the video should be fired immediately. And I hope it never gets employment anywhere else on this planet. And this is my only interest in the topic.

Of course, Planned Parenthood has just been murdered on the spot by this piece of rotten trash. I used to donate to Planned Parenthood but obviously now I never will. If this is the caliber of individual they think it’s appropriate to hire, they don’t deserve to continue to exist.

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Sarah Brodsky (@sarahbrodsky)

July 16, 2015

I’ve gotten into too many abortion discussions in the last few days so I’ll try not to debate any of that here, but re: the edited thing, there is an unedited version of the video up on YouTube. It’s about 2.5 hours long.

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Clarissa

July 16, 2015

I saw this creature say, “Livers, we need livers” while chewing with her mouth open and looking entirely imbecilic. Unless she meant chicken livers or, I don’t know, cat livers, she’s a sociopath. This is not even about abortion rights. This is about an organization that hires an obvious circus freak and keeps her in wine and chow on our dime. Fuck them.

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The Dark Avenger

July 16, 2015

Snopes.com is already on the case — compiling a long list of reasons this video and the allegations it supposedly supports don’t pass the smell test. Consider, for example, the evasive group that produced this video — the previously unknown and strangely named “Center for Medical Progress.” About the only thing we know so far about this group is that its leader is somebody named David Deleiden. And about the only thing we know so far about Deleiden is that he’s friends with disgraced right-wing activist James O’Keefe.
This Scary Story — like the Pepsi is Soylent Green! story it echoes and revitalizes — seems credible mainly to those who want to believe it. It seems plausible mainly to those who would prefer that such nightmares were true.
“This is the test,” C.S. Lewis said. How will such people respond when confronted with evidence that this latest Scary Story is not true? Will they be relieved to learn — thank God! — that this nightmare of a black market in dead-baby body parts isn’t a horror they need to fear? Or will they deny all such evidence, growing angry with the spoilsports who point it out and thereby ruin all the fun of believing it was true?
“If it is the second,” Lewis said, “then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if followed to the end, will make us into devils.”
White evangelical Christianity in America is now three decades along in that process. And it’s gaining momentum.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/07/15/satanic-baby-killers-are-putting-dead-babies-in-pepsi/

http://m.snopes.com/pp-baby-parts-sale/

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Clarissa

July 16, 2015

Look, it’s not humanly possible to be more in favor of abortion rights than I am. I’m a fanatic, I’m obsessed. And the price I have paid for the inhuman 39-week rules introduced by anti-choicers has been higher than what anybody here has had to pay for anti-choice victories in this country.

In this situation, I have zero interest in who’s friends with whom and who’s lobbying whom and for what reason. I deserve to have my own opinion on the matter because, as I said, I paid so dearly for it. All I care is whether the livers she discusses while she chews and grub falls out of her stupid mouth are animal or human. That’s it, there’s nothing else I need to know. This fucking piece of trash made it so much harder to defend reproductive rights in this country. We should all collectively reject her as garbage thar she is.

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1. delagar
  
  July 16, 2015
  
  I don’t know. It’s true she could have better manners. But bad manners doesn’t mean she’s necessarily done something wrong.
  
  The people who have made this video are responsible for some of the most notorious hoaxes of our time. I’d bear that in mind when making decisions about who to believe here. And second, no medical procedure is likely to sound nice when described over dinner.
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    July 16, 2015
    
    What does belief have to do with this? I’m more than capable of forming my own opinion on the video without relying on “belief.”
    
    Religious paradigm creeps into the discourse even of the people who don’t practice. It’s very interesting to me.
    
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Evelina Anville

July 16, 2015

I didn’t watch the video– only read parts of the transcript. So I might be missing something. I agree that the parts I read were a bit off putting. However, as someone said above, medicine is a gory business. If the livers of aborted fetuses can be used in other medical practises (especially for something that can save lives), why shouldn’t they be used? It seems the other option is to dispose of them as medical waste but that’s hardly more palatablle.

I suppose it would be nicer if the livers were donated– not sold for a profit– but in some ways capatalism can be gory too. I don’t know. I don’t find the transcipt particularly concerning. I guess I see this as a natural consequence of abortion in some ways.

And Planned Parenthood is one of the only orginzations in the country that provides affordable birth control to the uninsured. I donate to them regularly. Abortion services are not the focus of the orginization.

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Clarissa

July 16, 2015

No, you need to see this animal. It’s all in the body language. She’s a sociopath and an organization that pays her money is a mockery.

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Sarah Brodsky (@sarahbrodsky)

July 16, 2015

I think there is an issue that Planned Parenthood employees are strategizing about which body parts researchers want and possibly altering a medical procedure to obtain those parts. Their priority should be their patients, not outside researchers. It also brings up concerns about whether they might pressure patients to consent to donate tissues in order to reduce costs to the clinic. There are potential conflicts of interest.

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el

July 16, 2015

\Planned Parenthood employees are strategizing … Their priority should be their patients, not outside researchers.

What about adult people who donate their organs after death?

If doctors are not trusted with performing abortions here w/o harming women, how can they be trusted with the above cases?

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1. Sarah Brodsky (@sarahbrodsky)
  
  July 16, 2015
  
  Here there is a live patient who is undergoing an abortion, and the doctor is saying she changes the procedure, not because of the patient’s needs but to get better-quality specimens. That is placing the researchers at a higher priority than the patient.
  
  If a doctor alters end-of-life care for someone in order to get better organ donations after their death that would also not be okay.
  
  Taking organs for research after the fact is fine (assuming there was consent). Letting research needs determine how you treat a patient is not.
  
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2. Clarissa
  
  July 16, 2015
  
  After this, I’m not trusting Planned Parenthood for as long as I shall live. And I was a supporter, a donor, and had their sticker in my car window. That’s all done for, obviously.
  
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Clarissa

July 16, 2015

I agree with Sarah. Planned Parenthood disgraced itself when it chose to adopt this vicious corporate model and hire shameless sharks like this nasty creature. I have no doubt she’s hoping for a cushy position at a pharma company after she gets them enough good juicy livers.

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Ellie

July 16, 2015

I just don’t consider aborted fetuses people so this doesn’t bother me at all. Clearly the tissue should be donated and done in a way where the patient’s focus is no.1 but I don’t get the outrage. Listen to doctors and researchers discuss cadavers, patients, gore etc. They don’t tiptoe around it. ‘Livers, we need livers’. Yes, researchers need body parts. What is a better way to discuss something like that?

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Evelina Anville

July 16, 2015

Yes. I agree with Ellie and Sarah. If the patient’s needs are being ignored or the patient is beinng placed at risk, it’s problematic. But, as Ellie states, I don’t think of fetuses as people. So I’m not concerned about the fetus– just the mother’s safety and well-being.

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1. Clarissa
  
  July 16, 2015
  
  Does anyone have another definition of a human fetus than that of a human body part? If not, then I don’t see the point of this argument.
  
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2. Clarissa
  
  July 16, 2015
  
  If she worked, for instance, at a hospital where organs were removed from corpses for donation and did the same “livers, more livers” while chewing and acting either drunk or just unhinged, it would be just as appalling.
  
  Of course, it’s hard for medics not to get callous. But the moment they do, they need to leave the profession. You can’t work with people and treat them like plastic dolls.
  
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Clarissa

July 16, 2015

I also don’t consider them people. I consider them human body parts. What else can they possibly be?

This stinky insect is not a doctor or a researcher she’s a peddler of body parts who’s exchanging them for a future corporate career.

And a better way to discuss “something like that ” is probably at work and not while chewing and getting soused.

How would you feel if your doctor discussed your body parts in this way and in such an environment plus did it publicly?

I’m shocked that nobody is even bothered by the very great damage this has done to Planned Parenthood and the future of reproductive rights in this country. We will all pay a large price for the freak ‘ s lunch. How come nobody is angry?

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1. Evelina Anville
  
  July 16, 2015
  
  I’m not angry because I don’t think it’s wrong I guess. If I were to die, I wouldn’t mind if people discussed my body in such terms. Further, I am a person with subjectivity and an identity. A fetus is only body parts. It’s hard for me to see why we should feel attached to parts.
  
  I’m not saying I don’t find the conversation distasteful. I do. But there are many things that I find distasteful and that I personally couldn’t participate in (animal medical testing for instance) that I think better mankind. From what I understand, a lot of important research results from the study of fetal parts.
  
  I wish we could disengage the entire thing from money. But our medical industry is a for profit industry. And if someone has to profit, why not Planned Parenthood– an organization that does important work?
  
  Is it just the woman’s tone that you find wrong? Or the practice of using fetal parts in medical research? Or the practice of money being exchanged for part? What do you find offensive?
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    July 16, 2015
    
    The women whose body parts these fetuses are aren’t dead, though. These are actual living patients who might not be happy to have their excised body parts discussed in this manner.
    
    What I find offensive is that Planned Parenthood hired a sociopath and paid her money. I’ve seen a small part of the video – because I couldn’t continue looking at something so horrifying – and I’m absolutely convinced she’s a sociopath. And because of Planned Parenthood ‘ s strange obsession with defending this single sociopath, now the entire future of reproductive rights in this country has been compromised. And the Democrats’ chances to win the election has been damaged. That’s what bothers me. I’m all for abortion rights, research, etc. But I don’t understand why so much is being sacrificed to protect this single freak. Or has she been fired while I was up in the air?
    
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    1. Evelina Anville
      
      July 16, 2015
      
      Just to help me understand your position, what do you think she should be fired for specifically?
      
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      1. Clarissa
        
        July 16, 2015
        
        For dealing a huge (and possibly mortal) blow to an organization that’s been struggling as it is. Time is running out for Planned Parenthood. If they choose to lay down the entire organization on the altar of this single dime-a-dozen clerk, well, what a pity. Let’s hope that maybe the next generation of women manages to restore the tattered reproductive rights.
        
        If anybody has an explanation for why Planned Parenthood is standing by her at such an enormous cost, I’d be interested to hear.
        
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        Evelina Anville
        
        July 16, 2015
        
        But what did she do wrong? I understand why the Christian right is upset but what– in your opinion– did she do that was so heinous? I don’t understand what she did that would upset prochoice people like you?
        
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        Clarissa
        
        July 16, 2015
        
        As I said, this is a sociopath who should not be working with human beings. She especially should not be working in medicine. I’m so traumatized by those bugged out eyes, the messily chewing mouth, and the excited cackling of “livers, more livers” as she chews and slurps that I’m afraid I will have nightmares about it tonight. Any organization that is associated with this is dead. And any politician who doesn’t promise to defund it is in trouble.
        
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Lexi

July 16, 2015

Abortion services accounts for less than 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services. They focus more on prevention and other reproductive healthcare. More women use Planned Parenthood to get birth control and cancer screenings than abortion. If one woman (WOMAN not creature…so feminist) is enough to keep you from donating and helping others get the healthcare they need…well…I severely doubt your integrity.

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Clarissa

July 18, 2015
“Abortion services accounts for less than 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services. They focus more on prevention and other reproductive healthcare. More women use Planned Parenthood to get birth control and cancer screenings than abortion.”
- It is really annoying when people recite well-known facts with such self-importance. Everybody knows all this, there’s no need for condescending lectures.
“If one woman (WOMAN not creature…so feminist) is enough to keep you from donating and helping others get the healthcare they need…well…I severely doubt your integrity.”
- I’m not extraordinarily interested in your severe doubts. And until Planned Parenthood fires this insect, I have no choice but conclude that they stand by the vicious creature. There is no guarantee that the hiring process that ended giving employment to this piece of trash isn’t still in place and other pieces of trash are not being hired.
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1. Lexi
  
  July 20, 2015
  
  “It is really annoying when people recite well-known facts with such self-importance. Everybody knows all this, there’s no need for condescending lectures.”
  
  Yet you fail to factor in these facts, or indeed any facts, into your conclusion. You proceed to stand by your knee-jerk reaction as if it’s the right one without doing any critical thinking. The video has been debunked numerously by various fact checkers and news sources. It was produced by a man who has repeatedly created doctored videos to give institutions like Planned Parenthood a bad and false reputation. What is it going to take to convince you otherwise?
  
  “I’m not extraordinarily interested in your severe doubts. And until Planned Parenthood fires this insect, I have no choice but conclude that they stand by the vicious creature. There is no guarantee that the hiring process that ended giving employment to this piece of trash isn’t still in place and other pieces of trash are not being hired”
  
  If you run a blog and want to be deemed credible, you should care about what I and others think. So far, this blog post has demonstrated a lack of critical thinking, willful ignorance of the facts, and an overall lack of integrity.
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    July 20, 2015
    
    “What is it going to take to convince you otherwise?”
    
    Convince me of what? Did or did not that woman say “Livers, we need more livers” while chewing sloppily and reaching for a glass? I saw that with my own eyes in the video. Is that part fake? Was it staged by an actress? Because this is absolutely the only thing I’m discussing here. If that part of the video is real, then – as I repeated only 15 times – the woman in question is a sociopath and an organization that hired her and insists on retaining her cannot be trusted with anything.
    
    “If you run a blog and want to be deemed credible, you should care about what I and others think.”
    
    I find it extraordinarily rude and obnoxious when complete strangers tell me what I should do. You pose as a feminist yet you are incapable of seeing a woman (e.g. me) as a full-scale human being who can figure out what she should or shouldn’t do without condescending advice from strangers. I don’t understand how this disrespect for women’s decision-making capacity jives with your insistence that you are pro-choice?
    
    “So far, this blog post has demonstrated a lack of critical thinking, willful ignorance of the facts, and an overall lack of integrity.”
    
    Which facts? For the seventeenth time, did the woman in the video say the bit about livers while chewing and reaching for the glass? These are the only facts I find interesting to me here.
    
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