What Germans Want

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Clarissa

February 4, 2016

94% of Germans support accepting refugees from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a host of other countries. 76% of supporters of the anti-immigrant AfD party are in favor of this as well.
75% of Germans want even more refugees than that and favor offering asylum to those facing religious or political persecution.

This is what the German people want, it’s their country, and the choice is theirs. Let’s drop the silly belief that Big Mamma Merkel is forcing poor Germans into something they don’t want. Merkel is simply responding to an overwhelming wish of the people. Germany is a democracy, she can’t argue with a 94% demand.

That the current situational implementation of the refugee policies is not making all Germans happy does not change their enormous support for refugee acceptance itself.

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8 responses to “What Germans Want”

cliff arroyo

February 4, 2016

It’s a little like communism or shariah (modern version) both have proven to be failures in practice again and again and again but supporters still want to give them a try.

It’s also a little like alchemy. No western European country yet has been able to make large scale muslim immigration anything but a dismal failure – but they still have to keep trying until they find the magical formula that turns middle easterners into northern europeans in outlook and values….

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danmillerinpanama

February 4, 2016

I read the linked article a bit differently. Indeed, it suggests that most Germans are unhappy with Frau Merkel’s handling of the immigrant/asylum seeker situation. Hence, this lengthy quotation.

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blockquote>81% of Germans do not believe the current government has the migrant situation under control.
Only 46% approve of Merkel’s job performance, a 12-point drop in just a few weeks.
The anti-immigrant AfD clocks in at 12%, remaining Germany’s third-largest political party.
And yet, ordinary Germans, unlike some of their political leaders, seem capable of making practical, relevant distinctions about migrant policy:

63% favor an upper limit on the yearly total of migrants taken in.
88% want to see welfare payments reduced toward migrants who refuse to make an effort to integrate.
78% want to see North African countries classified as safe countries of origin, which would make deportation easier.
77% are in favor of rejecting migrants at the border if they cannot prove grounds for asylum.
94% are in favor of offering refuge to refugees who are fleeing war.
76% of supporters of the anti-immigrant AfD party are in favor of this as well.
75% of all respondents favor offering asylum to those facing religious or political persecution, 50% of AfD supporters favor this.
Only 25% of Germans favor offering political asylum to people fleeing poverty, 5% of AfD supporters are in favor of this.
So if German political leaders decided to follow the wishes of voters, the path seems pretty clear: let in genuine refugees fleeing war, don’t let in people who have no grounds for asylum, put in place an upper limit, get rid of the North Africans unless they can prove individual grounds for persecution, don’t admit people who are just fleeing poverty.

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1. cliff arroyo
  
  February 4, 2016
  
  “I read the linked article a bit differently. Indeed, it suggests that most Germans are unhappy with Frau Merkel’s handling of the immigrant/asylum seeker situation”
  
  I think our hostess’s point is that not being happy about how it’s working out in actuality won’t change anything. They accept the fundamental premise that people from crappy countries should be able to go to Germany and live off taxpayer’s. they just quibble about how crappy the country in question should be
  
  in self inflicted war – yes! Wilkommen!
  bad education, bad social system and no economy – vielleicht nicht…
  trying to recover from Soviet infection -NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!!!
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    February 4, 2016
    
    Exactly. Germans don’t like how the immigration policies are being implemented but they are nearly unanimously in favor of the idea that refugees should be welcomed and accepted.
    
    “they just quibble about how crappy the country in question should be
    in self inflicted war – yes! Wilkommen!
    bad education, bad social system and no economy – vielleicht nicht…
    trying to recover from Soviet infection -NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!!!”
    
    Absolutely. And let me repeat how incredibly bizarre I find this approach to immigration. I also find it deeply weird that everybody, literally everybody thinks that this is the only reasonable way to approach immigration.
    
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el

February 7, 2016

Curious article:

What happens if you express a negative view of Islam? Ask Tommy Robinson
The former leader of the English Defence League is now a national pariah. Perhaps he deserves it – or perhaps it should worry us all
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12140524/What-happens-if-you-express-a-negative-view-of-Islam-Ask-Tommy-Robinson.html

A LONG QUOTE (since the site lets see only a fixed amount of articles for free, as I just discovered):

First, it’s notable just how much of his views about Islam are a result of his upbringing in Luton, and the troubles between Muslim and white youth. His mate Dean got into a schoolground fight with a Muslim boy. Normal stuff, says Tommy, except Dean then got rushed by a “huge gang of other Muslim lads”. Dean ended up in hospital. Tommy was then beaten up with some friends by a group of Muslim lads when he was about 14 or15 – being spat at and called a “white pig”. When his second cousin, who was a heroin addict, was groomed and sexually assaulted by a gang of Pakistani men, it cemented his view – which hasn’t changed since – that in the end Muslims will always stick together against non-Muslims. “Islam trumps everything,” he writes.

Although my reading is that these troubles were with young men in gangs of Asian youths, Tommy sees it all linking back to religion. Ever since then, he’s been reading (and tweeting) stories which all support this thinking. To him, the Paris terrorist murders and recent Cologne sex attacks have been like a souped up, international version of what went on in his home town.

More interesting still are his accounts of the police, with whom he has had more experiences that most people. Of course the police have a difficult job with groups like the English Defence League. Their job is to try to uphold people’s right to protest, while simultaneously maintaining the peace. It’s not always easy with unruly groups like the EDL. Especially in the early days, when the police feared – with some justification given Tommy’s past and some other EDL big-wigs’ – that it could turn into a paramilitary movement that would wreak havoc across the country.

Nevertheless, Tommy is convinced that from the moment he got involved with the EDL he was subjected to a non-stop campaign by the police to use every power they had to harass, disrupt, and, ultimately, recruit him. Prima facie it looks that way. He has been arrested and acquitted an incredible number of times; bail hearings were set at intentionally awkward times; bail conditions were sometimes highly dubious. He even claims that prison guards kept putting him on Muslim majority wings so he’d get beaten up. Perhaps most worrying of all is that, as I read it, most of this was probably all within the law – a series of quite clever, if very aggressive, policing tactics. It’s hard to make out whether or not there is a legal case to answer here, since the numerous claims he makes are difficult to investigate fully. A civil liberties specialist might look into it: but because it’s Tommy Robinson, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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el

February 7, 2016

Over one-in-four Germans say they back a policy to open fire on unwanted illegal refugees at their borders.

The Alternative for Germany (AFD) party leader Frauke Petry caused a storm a week ago when she advocated the right of border police to gun down migrants. But her comments have struck a nerve in a country being pushed to the brink by the crisis with 29 per cent of respondents in a weekend poll backing her extremist plan.

This, say observers, is proof of the greatest fear among liberal politicians – citizens pushed into the embrace of the far-right and its intolerant attitudes which brought Hitler to power in the 1930s.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435913/One-four-Germans-say-policy-open-fire-unwanted-illegal-refugees-borders.html

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1. Clarissa
  
  February 7, 2016
  
  I love it when Germans start making this sort of excuses. Love it.
  
  They want immigrants, bring over immigrants but then discover that immigrants don’t play the role of cute and fluffy little puppies, make a huge show of being outraged, exclaim “See what you are making us do?” and then do exactly what they wanted this whole time.
  
  And we all sit here feeling hugely sorry for them. Oh, poor victims, see how they’ve been pushed!
  
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  1. el
    
    February 7, 2016
    
    \ And we all sit here feeling hugely sorry for them. Oh, poor victims, see how they’ve been pushed!
    
    I don’t feel sorry for Germans. Just curious how it’ll end. And I am unsure what “do exactly what they wanted this whole time” means here. Restricting the number of refugees? Enjoying attacking (not really threatening) “the enemy within,” a new one instead of Jews?
    
    Read now another article from April 2015 showing how Sweden’s open door policy may be immoral for people of the third world:
    
    Sacrificing 1000 to save 1
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    Sweden prides itself on being a “Humanitarian Superpower” and has provided generous aid to third world countries for decades. But now that the immigration floodgates have been opened, the skyrocketing cost of harboring hundreds of thousands of new arrivals within Swedens borders are forcing the government to divert money from the actual foreign aid.
    
    While the specifics are yet to be determined, the government estimates that a fifth of the foreign aid money will now go to offset the domestic costs. Not surprisingly, several foreign aid organizations are protesting loudly about getting de-funded.
    http://swedenreport.org/2015/04/14/sacrificing-1000-to-save-1/
    
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