More on Losing Iowa

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Clarissa

November 23, 2016

Another part of the recipe for “how not to win Iowa” is doing things like adding whenever Tim Kaine’s name is mentioned an invariable “although he’s not great on choice.”

Save for marching around in a T-shirt saying “Abortion Is Grand”, Kaine did everything, violated every principle of his denomination to be supportive of choice. And still many Liberals were making faces and criticizing. What message does it send to people who are pro-choice but not pro-abortion, people who used to have reservations but no longer do, people who are still trying to figure it out?

And this is just one example.

Constant spectacles of policing each other’s orthodoxy (or “calling out”) should be discontinued immediately. They scare people off. And the word “privilege” should be forgotten. It will never win any elections bigger than an election of the president of the Society for Spoiled Rich Brats.

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6 responses to “More on Losing Iowa”

el

November 23, 2016

\ people who are pro-choice but not pro-abortion,

What does it mean? I thought being pro-choice included supporting the right for abortion.

\ whenever Tim Kaine’s name is mentioned an invariable “although he’s not great on choice.”

How do they explain that? What has Kaine done (or not done)?

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1. Clarissa
  
  November 23, 2016
  
  “What does it mean? I thought being pro-choice included supporting the right for abortion.”
  
  The position can be resumed as “abortion is a tragedy but it should be a matter of individual choice.”
  
  “How do they explain that? What has Kaine done (or not done)?”
  
  I don’t even remember right now. He seems to have been in favor of some limitations on late-term abortions a million years ago, or something like that.
  
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Stringer Bell

November 23, 2016

When 110k voters out of 120M vote in a handful of counties determine the entire election, it is trivial to state that if literally anything were done differently the election results would’ve been different.

Which means we all get to pick our pet theories about how dems lost and not be wrong.

I’m gonna go with if our candidate wasn’t such an awful , incompetent candidate with an awful, incompetent team running her campaign, the dems would’ve won.

Spending resources to flip Arizona lol, parading billionaires at her campaign rallies (‘real billionaires love me!’) in an election fueled with class rage, courting the torture-loving bush era republicans all summer, how did that work out for her? Like those assholes would’ve ever voted democrat.

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1. Clarissa
  
  November 23, 2016
  
  It isn’t just the presidency, though. Look at Congress, at Senate, at the governorships. That wasn’t Hillary and her team. And it didn’t start this year. Other than the Obama election in 2012, what have we won since then? It’s all losing, losing, losing. There’s got to be a reason.
  
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Shakti

November 23, 2016

Constant spectacles of policing each other’s orthodoxy (or “calling out”) should be discontinued immediately. They scare people off.
Good point! And that’s why I have a new representative who used to be a Republican. And my father who has voted Republican all of his voting life and has donated to Republican candidates, switched parties to vote in a primary. This is a man who loved having discussions about how the property taxes and income taxes in his current state were so much less than his last state.

This is why a fair number of people are “independent”. These intra-party feuds over orthodoxy bore them. I promise you that most people aren’t paying attention during a primary to whatever NARAL or the NRA are saying about a certain candidate.

I don’t know why you’re mentioning Kaine. Kaine is, and was, electoral Sominex.

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1. Clarissa
  
  November 23, 2016
  
  “I don’t know why you’re mentioning Kaine.”
  
  I was just talking to somebody who, as it turns out, didn’t vote at all. And this was one of the reasons she named.
  
  Right now, I’m quite obsessed with the need to unseat Rauner. This is at least a local victory we could win. So I’m talking to human beings a lot than I normally would because when I actually try, I can persuade people quite well. My target audience is not die-hard Republicans but people who could and should vote but don’t.
  
  I can’t just sit here doing nothing while Rauner gets reelected because nobody showed up to vote.
  
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