European Mentality

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Clarissa

July 10, 2017

When a colleague heard we were going away to the beach for 15 days, she was all, “OMG, you are SO European. I’d love to have one of those long vacations, like you Europeans do.”

“You could,” I said. “We aren’t back to teaching until the end of August.”

“No,” she said. “I don’t have the mentality. I’d feel guilty all the time.”

I just stared because I can’t begin to imagine feeling guilty about a staid family vacation on the beach. It’s not like I’m suggesting she go shopping to Paris with a lover for 2 weeks while the husband is home with the kids. How European do you have to be to allow yourself a trip to the beach with your family?

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25 responses to “European Mentality”

Stringer Bell

July 10, 2017

Maybe it’s a money-related guilt? She could probably afford the few thousand dollars for a beach vacation, but maybe in her mind that money could be spent on other things like house-repairs, bills, paying down credit cards, whatever.

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xykademiqz

July 10, 2017

I think it’s the 15-day duration. I know that many Americans find anything longer than a week in a stretch to be very self-indulgent and plain wrong. I know because I feel guilty now, too, even though I know two weeks is about what you need to really truly relax. Years ago, when we did it last, anyone who’d hear about the two weeks would be “Wow, two weeks..!” They were definitely incredulous.

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1. Clarissa
  
  July 10, 2017
  
  With all one has to pack and organise when traveling with a toddler, it doesn’t make sense to go on a shorter trip. We’d gladly do 3 weeks but N doesn’t get enough free days.
  
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2. thelyniezian
  
  July 10, 2017
  
  ” I know that many Americans find anything longer than a week in a stretch to be very self-indulgent and plain wrong.”
  
  The old Puritan work ethic? Anything that looks like too much time off work equals idleness and debauchery which is a sin?
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    July 10, 2017
    
    It’s more like faux-victim status. “Look how overworked and miserable I am! It’s a badge of honor.”
    
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cliff arroyo

July 10, 2017

This sounds like a humble brag (similar to false modesty).

The meta-message is: “Oh, I’m such a hard worker, Im’ so industrious, I could never just lie around like a deadbeat good for nothing.”

Remember, that workaholic isn’t often not really an insult in the US (unlike almost every country of Europe).

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1. Clarissa
  
  July 10, 2017
  
  I think that’s what it was, yes. I think we can all guess which one of us publishes more. 😁😁😁
  
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cliff arroyo

July 10, 2017

I usually end up going for week long trips (but a couple of different ones to different places). Part of me likes the idea of a two-week vacation (and I’ve done that) but I’d worry a little about getting bored with the place.

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Pen

July 10, 2017

I’ve gone on a two-week vacation a couple of times. For my family the problem is usually getting time off all at once or the cost for staying so long. There are other factors, too, but guilt isn’t one of them.

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lucy

July 10, 2017

I always go back to my European country of origin during at least 4 weeks during the summer. Sometimes, even 6 weeks. So that I can visit my parents. On the other hand, I always work through thanksgiving and spring break.

I don´t get the “I am always crazy busy until I drop dead” American mentality. For me, it means poor planning or over commitment.

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Fie upon this quiet life

July 10, 2017

I cannot imagine going on a two-week vacation that didn’t involve work, because we’ve never been able to afford any vacation besides our honeymoon that wasn’t somehow co-sponsored by my job. (For instance, taking the family on a research trip.) We traded future vacations for student loan debt that got us jobs that would afford us lots of vacation time that we’ll never be able to use.

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Dreidel

July 10, 2017

Two weeks is a long vacation??? When I was stationed in Europe (Germany and Italy) eons ago, literally half the population in both those countries would go on vacation for the entire month of August. And if I remember correctly, most of it was subsidized by the government.

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1. Dreidel
  
  July 10, 2017
  
  You want a long vacation in America — join the military!
  
  All branches of the U.S. military give active-duty members 30 DAYS A YEAR OFF, and this includes your first year of service.
  
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2. anonP
  
  July 11, 2017
  
  Yes, it’s the usual thing in Europe. We get 5-6 weeks vacation time per year, of which usually 3-4 weeks are spent in the summer.
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    July 11, 2017
    
    N would be so happy to get 5-6 weeks. He wants to travel in Europe, for instance, but he doesn’t get enough time off for that and for a beach vacation. So he always chooses a beach vacation, which I totally understand.
    
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Nicholas

July 11, 2017

I must be incredibly American because a two-week vacation would make me feel incredibly lazy and useless. I don’t know a single person in this country he gets so much time off.

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1. el
  
  July 11, 2017
  
  \ I don’t know a single person in this country he gets so much time off.
  
  Don’t you know any school teachers? 🙂
  
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  1. David P. Bellamy
    
    July 11, 2017
    
    School teachers do not get a lot of time off. In most states, they need to be constantly taking courses in the summer to maintain and update their credentials.
    
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    1. Clarissa
      
      July 11, 2017
      
      Where can one take courses in the summer? Colleges only offer remedial introductory courses in the summer.
      
      I never took summer courses as a student, much as I’d have loved to because nothing but intro courses were ever available.
      
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  2. Nicholas
    
    July 11, 2017
    
    I guess I do know teachers, but I was just thinking of people in my own age group (early-mid 20’s). All of the teachers I know are 50+
    
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2. Clarissa
  
  July 11, 2017
  
  Lazy and useless are the best things to be, aren’t they? Being useful is very objectifying.
  
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  1. el
    
    July 11, 2017
    
    \ Lazy and useless are the best things to be, aren’t they?
    
    At first, I thought you were joking.
    
    But aren’t you reading even during this vacation, even if not writing? Even if not, rest is a must for future productivity (see first link below).
    
    As for courses for school teachers, they exist in Israel too. One doesn’t take them from colleges; there are special courses for teachers from special organizations. However, in Israel one is required to take not more than 60 hours per year (you can take more, but courses above this limit won’t affect your salary) and the courses can be taken during school year. One is not required to take them in the summer.
    
    I hope David’s info about American school teachers is of the same sort as the info about college professors having no vacation and working 60 hours a week.
    
    Regarding long work hours, Israelis work more than OECD average and more than Americans (second link below) :
    
    FIRST
    
    Israelis work more hours than in West
    
    Taub Center study reveals new findings on primary factors underlying Israel’s low labor productivity, including longer working day, low capital investments, cumbersome bureaucracy
    
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4427136,00.html
    
    SECOND
    
    http://fortune.com/2015/11/11/chart-work-week-oecd/
    
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    1. Clarissa
      
      July 11, 2017
      
      We do offer courses to school teachers who want to improve their qualifications. But never in summer because there aren’t any courses for them.
      
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Shakti

July 11, 2017

Europeans have more vacation in general.

Two weeks of vacation are considered standard. I actually own a career advice book written before the recession that point blank says never to take more than one week of vacation at a time because two weeks is more than enough time for the company to realize they can do without you.

Tell a European you only have two weeks of vacation and they’ll be aghast.

Perhaps your academic colleague has absorbed these norms even though academics have vacation time?

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1. Clarissa
  
  July 11, 2017
  
  This advice reminded me of one of those Franco-era manuals for wives: “Never go away on an overnight trip or your husband might realize he can do perfectly well without you.” 🙂
  
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