Peace Talks

These are residential areas, heavily populated.

On a positive note:

As we say, a little thing but very pleasing.

32 thoughts on “Peace Talks

  1. I keep reading stories about Russian soldiers having their phones taken away to keep them in the dark, some of them not even knowing they were invading Ukraine. Might this be true, or is it just Western propaganda?

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    1. Back in 2014, Russians weren’t ready to admit openly that they were invading Ukraine. Their troops were coached to say when they were captured that they were on Ukraine by accident and had wandered into Ukrainian territory unwittingly during military training exercises. Now they are saying the same thing but it’s even less credible. Ukrainian intelligence uncovered a lot of documents spelling out exactly what the invasion plan was and how it was announced to the troops. So no, I don’t believe it.

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      1. I see, this makes a lot more sense. Sounded like BS when I read it.

        I’m still baffled by this invasion. Short, medium, and long term this is a disaster for Russia even if they are able to keep Ukraine. They’re going to be incredibly impoverished and any non resource exploitative industry is done; they’ve really thrown their future down the drain.

        Russia has also managed to unite Europe; Sweden and Finland might join NATO now. Germany has done a 180 turn against them. It’s a disaster on all fronts.

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        1. From what I’ve read in this blog, maybe the Russians did expect to be received warmly by the Ukrainians and the takeover would be over in a matter of days without much blood, therefore avoiding major long term consequences. That’s kind of the only reason I can think of.

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        2. Man, I’m totally with you in the bafflement. As the invasion was starting, I was at a restaurant with my friend telling her that I thought this was a bluff and they wouldn’t invade. Then I left the restaurant and saw tons of missed phone calls. Then I knew. My friend who is in poli-sci specializing in Ukraine says she was dumbstruck, too. This is so irrational, so self-defeating that it’s impossible to comprehend. It’s truly like the proverbial envious neighbor who poked his eyes out to avoid seeing that the guy across the street has a better house.

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          1. IMO, it is perfectly rational when you put yourself in Putin’s mind. What is rational to him is not to others. Remember, he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.

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        3. “I’m still baffled by this invasion. Short, medium, and long term this is a disaster for Russia even if they are able to keep Ukraine. They’re going to be incredibly impoverished and any non resource exploitative industry is done; they’ve really thrown their future down the drain.

          Russia has also managed to unite Europe; Sweden and Finland might join NATO now. Germany has done a 180 turn against them. It’s a disaster on all fronts.”

          Sounds a bit like Russia is just as much a victim as Ukraine. Which would mean that the whole thing might have been provoked by other powerful entities that invited Ukraine to join NATO so as to create this outcome. Which is what I’ve been saying.

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          1. “powerful entities that invited Ukraine to join NATO ”

            Has any powerful entity actually invited Ukraine to join NATO?

            NATO has been picked up by western Putin apologists but is barely a part of the Russian dialogue (or Putin’s speeches about the war).

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            1. Tulsi Gabbard is a US military veteran, elected US representative, was striving for the US Democrat ticket to be presidential nominee, and imo is probably not a Putin apologist. She is saying more or less the same thing that I have been saying, that we are arguing about.

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              1. Tulsi Gabbard is among the slimiest politicians around. She believes in nothing but self promotion and will change her position on a dime if it will get her an ounce of attention. If she says it, then I am already deeply skeptical.

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              2. I agree. Gsbbard is extremely cute but . . . that’s about it. I used to like her but during the presidential election and after noticed exactly what TomW is saying. She’s an opportunist. And not a very successful one.

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              3. “Tulsi Gabbard is among the slimiest politicians around. She believes in nothing but self promotion and will change her position on a dime if it will get her an ounce of attention.”

                I wont defend her, since it isn’t relevant. The fact of the matter is that a senior official has published an opinion that matches mine, along with a Chinese spokesperson from the Foreign Ministry.

                As time goes on, the quality of people saying the same thing will go up as the narrative moves, until finally, everyone will agree that it was true the whole time.

                By the way, I think that the Chinese spokesperson was probably paid to make the comment, and will burn later when everyone demands that China guarantee never to invade Taiwan.

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          2. My friend, this is going too far, really. I just saw images of severed limbs in the streets of the city where I grew up. Their murderers are not “victims, too.” They are murderers. There are better places to develop the argument that you seem very attached to than here.

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            1. In a sense, young Russian soldiers being sent to die in this war who aren’t for it are victims. More so in the beginning and less so now as they find out what is happening and continue fighting. But of Putin, not of Ukrainians.

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            2. Clarissa and Cliff, please read about the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman as well as US Democrat from Hawaii both saying that all that has to happen to avoid war and end this crisis is for the US to promise that Ukraine will not join NATO.

              A few days ago I wrote here that the narrative would shift towards this in about a week. They’re ahead of schedule, which btw means that Putin is succeeding quicker than anticipated.

              https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/they-actually-want-russia-invade-ccp-spox-slams-biden-provoking-putin

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              1. And many people say something different (including Putin himself). So what? Why should we believe these two, who have absolutely no knowledge of the situation, and not somebody more involved, like, say, Putin?

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              2. “And many people say something different (including Putin himself). So what? Why should we believe these two, who have absolutely no knowledge of the situation, and not somebody more involved, like, say, Putin?”

                Good idea, since Putin said the same thing. Here is a quote from an article published 3 days ago:

                “Putin accused the US and its allies of ignoring Russia’s demand to prevent Ukraine from joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and to offer Moscow security guarantees, leading to Russia’s current efforts to “demilitarize” Ukraine.”

                Link to article:

                https://themedialine.org/news/russia-doesnt-want-ukraine-to-join-nato-is-that-a-reason-to-invade/

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              3. You are cutting convenient bits out of context and ignoring the ones that don’t serve your narrative.

                There is a big difference between “good” and good morning.

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              4. “You are cutting convenient bits out of context and ignoring the ones that don’t serve your narrative.”

                I’m not ignoring anything and have written several thousand words so far saying that the Russian political leadership are acting in their own self interest which is centred around retaining as much power as possible, which in this case means avoiding first strike capable NATO missiles being placed on the Ukrainian border.

                I was also fairly clear in saying that Putin and the rest of them are running multiple narratives, each aimed at different groups, in a way that serves them at this point in time, which will change as time goes on.

                The reason I reject your explanation about Putins motivation being based in historical hatred or imperialism etc is because my experience with politicians indicates that every single one, when placed under enough stress, sheds all ideology and cares exclusively for their own personal self interest, or the self interest of their backer(s).

                When you have seen it enough times, it is like watching a computer program unfold. Sometimes you make mistakes or get surprised, but with enough information, you can predict things with reasonable accuracy.

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  2. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the global IT community offer the Russian military to surrender, receive an amnesty and earn money. IT people from all over the world have raised millions of dollars and will continue to collect to pay the Russian military 5 million rubles in cryptocurrency, to an account or in cash. As soon as soldiers with military equipment surrender, they receive money. Amnesty – after the trial. But the main thing is that they can give up right now and get money right now.

    Google translate from:

    Министерство обороны Украины и мировое айти-сообщество предлагают русским военным сдаться, получить амнистию и заработать. Айтишники со всего мира собрали миллионы долларов и будут продолжать сбор, чтобы выплатить российским военным 5 миллионов рублей в криптовалюте, на счет или наличными. Как только солдаты с военной техникой сдаются, они получают деньги. Амнистия – после суда. Но главное, что они могут прямо сейчас сдаться и прямо сейчас получить деньги.

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    1. Thank you for bearing this war on behalf of all of us. I long suspected Russia wouldn’t let any of us go without a fight, and while there is no good time for war, at least it came when we have had some time to grow and build and breathe.

      And thank you even more for doing well at it. 🙂

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      1. The Baltics get it like almost nobody else. I have a friend from Latvia who has been telling me since 2008 that Russia will invade Ukraine next. I always thought she was being a little overwrought because of what her family suffered when the Soviets came. And guess who was right this whole time.

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  3. I don’t believe any talks are being conducted with any good faith on Russia’s part. They’re either attempts to lure Zelensky out and assassinate him, or attempts to buy time. Things would need to get much worse for Russia first.

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  4. Interesting youtube channel by a guy born somewhere in the USSR in the 1980s (left at the age of 10 or so)

    “The TERRIFYING TRUTH behind Putin’s Ukraine invasion” is the title of one.

    some random points to see if you agree

    Russians are collectively crazy and their governments are worse

    A lot of this is unprocessed Soviet trauma (Ukrainians have their problems but have processed things a bit better)

    Putin is indifferent to short term suffering of the Russian public (short term here means 25-50 years) a big part of his motives is to wanting to be written about in a certain way in history textbooks 200 years from now. 50 years.

    There is no procedure for him to leave office so he intends to stay in power no matter what.

    He’s planning mass killings (he doesn’t say this in so many words but it’s implied several times)… He’s very possibly planning on using nukes…

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    1. I don’t call it crazy but “collective narcissistic injury.” But it’s the same thing. Deeply wounded pride, and the wound has been festering for a very long time. (Footnote: long before anybody heard of the NATO).

      Absolutely, Putin doesn’t like Russians. And it’s true he won’t leave peacefully. Dissident Russians are saying that the only solution is “the snuffbox scenario” (this is a reference to the assassination of one of Russian tsars in the early 19th century. Apparently, there was a palace coup, and he was slammed with a heavy snuffbox, which totally snuffed him out.)

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  5. This is amazing right there:

    Huge Russian convoy stuck in traffic on their way to Ukraine. They’re sitting ducks out there. Unbelievable.

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