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Leaning Towards Forbade

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It’s looking very strongly that Biden forbade a serious response to Hamas. We are seeing the enormous pro-Palestinian rallies, reading the Harvard profs supporting Hamas, The WashPo, the NYTimes cheering against Israel. Those are all not simply Dem voters but the organizers, the get-out-the-vote and pick-up-the-ballot people. And the big, big donors. The Dem money, the grunts and the intellectual elite all cheer for Hamas. Why would Biden choose to antagonize them?

By “Biden” here and everywhere else I mean “the collective Biden”. The administration he represents.

17 responses to “Leaning Towards Forbade”

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    Anonymous

    Haven’t polls shown a swing toward Israel even among the Left? Do you really think the democratic elites are against us?

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      ed

      People are impressionable and see some protest and immediately think this must be what the elites and security establishment must also stand for

      Not only are these protest in the US small, they are also near insignificant. The Israeli lobby through AIPAC is widely known to be one of the strongest and best funded lobbying operations in the US, with a very strong hold on key people and security establishment figures. This is where the real power and influence operation is, not out on the streets by some loud mouths.

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        Anonymous

        I think except for Muslims and the wokes most Americans themselves are still with us as well

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          Clarissa

          It’s a big except, though. The wokes aren’t that numerous but they have captured all the institutions of power. And the Big Business.

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            Clarissa

            Plus, you know, the black people. Democrats don’t win elections without the black people. Biden only became the nominee because the blacks like him. And the blacks aren’t for Israel.

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              Anonymous

              according to polls (both since 7/10 and before) black americans dont show a significant bias against israel

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                Clarissa

                It’s not allowed to conduct polls that show anything negative about black people. Black anti-semitism officially doesn’t exist.

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          ed

          Somewhat. Netanyahu has managed to do a great deal of damage to Israel’s standing with US moderates and liberals. His expanist and absolutist policies really don’t resonate well here and his hollowing out of Israeli democratic institutions was also very badly perceived. I don’t imagine Biden likes him one bit; I certainly don’t.

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    Avi

    You probably want to read this:
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/bidens-three-nos

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      Clarissa

      I said from the beginning, I think Biden said no to Israel. I can’t see how he can say yes and hope to win next year. It’s not about his personal feelings. He’s a politician, he has to represent his base. And his base is heavily pro-Palestinian.

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    Anonymous

    Netanyahu swore very forcefully after the Hamas attack that Israel would ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY EXTERMINATE Hamas by killing EVERY Hamas terrorist in Gaza. This obviously requires a full-scale prolonged ground war.

    If Netanyahu yields to Biden and doesn’t follow through, he (Netanyahu) will look like a feckless, all-mouth weakling whose word can’t be trusted — a disastrous position for a politician.

    Dreidel

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      Clarissa

      Netanyahu will pretend that decisive action was taken. That’s his only option right now.

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    el

    People often talk of a proportional response. At last, I saw ONE article giving the official military definition:

    // One issue of critical importance here is that of proportionality, a concept that is very often misunderstood and misconstrued in a simplistic manner by looking at Israeli casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure, and comparing them to those of the Palestinians.

    Under the laws of armed conflict, an attack is considered disproportionate, and therefore illegal, “if the anticipated collateral damage to civilians and civilian objects would be excessive in relation to the military advantage expected from the attack,” says Sharvit Baruch, who now works as a researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University.
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    In the wake of its terror onslaught and the atrocities it committed on October 7, Hamas can justifiably be considered to be more dangerous […] In such a light, the military advantage of killing a Hamas operative, destroying a command and control center, or attacking other targets can be given greater weight in the proportionality equation, meaning that the legally tolerable level of harm to civilians is also higher
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    another crucial point, that proportionality cannot be assessed on the basis of hindsight, but must be assessed on the basis of information that was available to the military commander at the time of the attack and prior to it.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-the-idfs-ongoing-gaza-operation-complying-with-the-laws-of-war/

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      Anonymous

      “complying-with-the-laws-of-war”<

      The ultimate laws of war are “victor’s justice.”

      In World War II, the U.S. and Britain bombed non-military towns full of German civilians into rubble, while the Russians raped half the women in Berlin. After the war, the victorious Allies put on highly publicized “war-crime” trials for hundreds of Germans, and still today are sentencing 99-year-old women for assisting the Nazis by taking dictation from German officers when they were teenage stenographers.

      How many Allied WWII personnel have been charged with war crimes?

      Dreidel

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    mosckerr

    The barbaric slaughter of 1400 Israelis and over 250 hostages, this abomination carried out by NOT Hamas alone but by all Palestinian political organizations including the PA. The time has come to remove the Palestinian pricks poking the Israeli nation, by a forced population transfer of PA Arab populations from E. Jerusalem and Samaria to Gaza – the Israeli established Palestinian state from 2005 to present.

    Only Israel has deeded land for the establishment of a Palestinian State. Land for Peace applies equally to Arab countries, not just to Israel. Israel has deed land, Gaza, for an Independent Palestinian State. Time that Arab countries stop their Palestine Occupied Territories political rhetoric propaganda and deed land in the Sinai to enlarge the borders of Gaza for the Arabs removed from E. Jerusalem and Samaria to live as free citizens in their own Palestinian country, a member of the community of nations in the Middle East.

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      Anonymous

      There has NEVER been a nation called Palestine, and the so-called “Palestinians” are simply generic Arabs whose actual goal has never been a state of their own. They’ve been offered that by the “International Powers That Be” multiple times over the past seven decades, and they’ve always walked away from the deal.

      Their only goal is the is total elimination of Israel, and their hatred for the Jews is so great that they’ve willingly sacrificed the greater good of multiple generations their own people in pursuit of a Judenrein Middle East.

      Dreidel

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        mosckerr

        Arabs bemoan the Nakba. They love to bitch about the “Illegal Occupied Territories”, “the lands Israel stole from Palestinians”. So easy for propaganda to denouce Israel for “War Crimes” etc. But at the end of the day: only Israel has deeded land for the establishment of a Palestinian State. The 2005 unilateral withdrawal from Gaza. Actions speak louder than Word/Noise. Notice that Egypt refuses to permit Arab refugees to flee from Gaza to the Sinai???

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