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The Pivotal Moment

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From Bill Ackman:

The most powerful moment for me was that I truly believed that Trump had said the neo-nazis and the white nationalists were among the ‘very fine people’ who were protesting. It takes about two minutes to actually watch what he said and realize that he said precisely the opposite. He said I’m not talking about the neo-nazis and the white nationalists when he said, ‘very fine people.’

https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1851312944627531860?t=rG3OlGHRZ-7suWoe3D5vlw&s=19

I had the same reaction. The extent of the lie was so overwhelming that I had to find out what else was untrue.

20 responses to “The Pivotal Moment”

  1. cliff arroyo Avatar
    cliff arroyo

    “The extent of the lie was so overwhelming”

    American legacy media has lied so much about so many things and to previously unimaginable levels that I simply don’t believe it anymore. They’ve worked long and hard to gain the distrust of anyone with a three digit IQ who doesn’t enjoy being lied to.

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  2. Old Reader Avatar
    Old Reader

    STILL, why did the President of the United States feel the need to tell us who the fine people were within a conspicuous anti-semitic rally??? That’s what I didn’t quite get. What was the defensiveness about, really?

    Same with January 6. Why couldn’t you just condemn it and move on? You’re the president. Your job literally is to calm the country and protect them. And to enforce laws. That need to feel attacked by the media’s justified outrage at the neo-Nazi rally, enough to want to equivocate about how truly depraved that day was, is something no one has been able to explain.

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    1. methylethyl Avatar
      methylethyl

      Do you prefer being lied to?

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      1. Old Reader Avatar
        Old Reader

        I prefer my presidents not reflexively excusing antisemitic (or mob) rallies.

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        1. methylethyl Avatar
          methylethyl

          What constitutes an antisemitic rally, in your book?

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            Old Reader

            One where people are chanting “Jews will not replace us” holding tiki torches and marching through town.

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            1. methylethyl Avatar
              methylethyl

              Ok, good! A definition! I feel like we’re getting somewhere.

              Now, if the Quakers organize a peace demonstration, and 200 devoted Society of Friends pacifists show up to hold hands, sing hymns, and pass out antiwar pamphlets… and the local White Dumbass Lodge gets wind of it and sends its five finest specimens to the demonstration to chant “Jews will not replace us” and march about with tiki torches, is it still an antisemitic rally?

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            2. cliff arroyo Avatar
              cliff arroyo

              “Jews will not replace us”

              I didn’t support the march but the context is usually left out. That chant was a response to a couple of high profile media figures (both Jewish Bill Kristol and Bret Stephens) who had independently of each other expressed disappointment in the white working class and specifically called for it to be replaced by immigrants who would be better prepared to meet their exacting standards….

              Not the most intelligent way to react but Kristol and Stephens had both made pretty offensive remarks. Do they get a pass because of their Jewishness?

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              1. Avi Avatar
                Avi

                This is a very good point. Thank you for providing much needed context. And I’m Jewish.

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              2. Clarissa Avatar
                Clarissa

                I understand why people feel compelled to defend the “fine people” hoax. If they accept this was a lie, they will have to consider the probability that everything they were told in the past 30 years was a lie. It takes courage and strength to accept that. It’s lonely, it’s unpleasant. So people resist, pretend, lie to themselves. I get it. But I don’t respect them.

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    2. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      “STILL, why did the President of the United States feel the need to tell us who the fine people were within a conspicuous anti-semitic rally??? That’s what I didn’t quite get. What was the defensiveness about, really?”

      • Forget Trump. You are being lied to. Why don’t you mind? You are obsessing about Trump but this isn’t about Trump. Trump will go but we will remain with the media that lie about everything. Whether Trump is good or bad is not the point here. There are other things in life beyond Trump.

      Honestly, this love affair with Trump is unhealthy.

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      1. Old Reader Avatar
        Old Reader

        When he’s been defeated, we’ll talk about something else. But for now, he’s the one dominating the political conversation.

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        1. Clarissa Avatar
          Clarissa

          Oh, come on. Three seconds after Trump, there’ll be another “Nazi-fascist-threat-to-democracy.” I’ve been in this country since 2003 and every Republican candidate for every office was called a variation of this. Every single one. In the meantime, both you and I get robbed because we are distracted by this wailing about Nazis. The difference is that I stopped falling for this line while you are as eager to be duped by it as ever.

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        2. methylethyl Avatar
          methylethyl

          Does that automatically mean he must dominate *your* conversation?

          Do you not have any free will? Or do you actually prefer to subsume it to your media feed?

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    Stringer bell

    “Interesting data point: Every single Republican candidate since Barry Goldwater has been called a “fascist” OR “hitler” So, I guess, it has no meaning.

    🥱

    https://x.com/MauRhym/status/1849868822133735588

    Stringer

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  4. ed Avatar
    ed

    Agreed on all points Clarissa. I’ve seen it myself and don’t trust anything legacy media says about Trump.

    His Joe Rogan interview was really great too.

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      I haven’t had time to watch, unfortunately, but I’ll try.

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      1. methylethyl Avatar
        methylethyl

        I listened to the whole thing, and that’s the most sympathetic, non-bombastic I’ve ever seen the guy.

        He still talks like a glad-handing salesman, which is a personal peeve of mine– I so wish he’d just get to the point already. But he does come off much, much more (oh, no, the word…) relatable than I have ever seen him in any other context. More of a real person, less of a caricature. Maybe it’s the lighting or something, but he looks older than usual, and that plays in his favor here. And he maintained the not-yelling, not-bombastic, look-like-a-real-person thing for three straight hours. It was extraordinary, and if the guy just picked up another million votes, I would not be at all surprised– it’d be completely down to the JRE appearance.

        When all the Harris appearances out there seem to be these super-awkward, scripted nervous-laugh things… the contrast is not favorable to her.

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      2. ed Avatar
        ed

        Probably the best Trump interview that I’ve seen. It went for over three hours, so they covered a lot of ground, no sound bites, politicking and preaching. I also liked the pleasantness of the interview; Rogan is good about making people feel comfortable and having a good 1-1 conversation with them.

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        1. methylethyl Avatar
          methylethyl

          I was quite surprised by the contrast between Trump in a conversation, and Trump behind a podium.

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