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We are told that an evil, despicable action is to talk about these crimes and not the crimes themselves:

This is one of the least graphic descriptions. People can consult trial transcripts for details of absolute horrors that were done to these children.

Victims report that after the very short sentences received for these horrific crimes, rapists were back in these communities, raping the next generation of girls. This never ended and it won’t until we all speak about this and make the scandal impossible to ignore.

32 responses to “We All Have to Speak”

  1. Demotrash Avatar
    Demotrash

    Trudeau at his resignation press conference rn. Looks very miserable and chastened.

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  2. cliff arroyo Avatar
    cliff arroyo

    “make the scandal impossible to ignore”

    Well.. the UK government’s response is to require people to ignore it. The PM’s two most recent comments on the issue have been to attack “islamophobia” and defend a noxious piece of filth (MP) with a track record of covering it up (Musk said mean things about her which is worse than mass rape of children).

    How Rotherham did not leed to an overthrow of the government when it was first discovered is something I’ll never understand.

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  3. Avi Avatar
    Avi

    I’m absolutely flabbergasted by the ominous silence of the #MeToo movement…

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      Complete and utter indifference. Compared to weeks of outrage over the woman who was upset over an imperfect date, the silence is deafening.

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  4. AcademicLurker Avatar
    AcademicLurker

    Some of the reactions I’ve been seeing are just unbelievable. What are people outraged about? Not the horrific serial rape of underage girls. No, what is really making them angry is the fact the Elon Musk says it’s bad! Nice to see that folks have their priorities straight.

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  5. el Avatar
    el

    Is it known whether those ‘Asian men’ are citizens of England? Because if not, they should be deported after serving their sentences.

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    1. methylethyl Avatar
      methylethyl

      Deported…

      …to the atlantic, with millstones.

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    2. cliff arroyo Avatar
      cliff arroyo

      “they should be deported”

      Western Europe is almost completely unable to deport anyone due to judges that follow some daft ‘human rights’ conventions…. all they have to do is say they have family and the human ‘right’ to a family life supercedes consideration of safety for other citizens.

      Even if the British government wanted to deport serial rapists (there is no evidence they do… but let’s play ‘pretend’) they find it next to impossible.

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      1. Clarissa Avatar
        Clarissa

        There are cases where judges purposefully award lesser sentences to immigrant rapists to avoid triggering deportation. They say it openly.

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  6. - W Avatar
    – W

    I’ve said it before. You want this to stop. Hang those doing such things. Nothing short of this will stop such situations. If you lock them up, well prisons are basically finishing schools for criminals. You will simply make it worse when they are let out, and they will be let out in a short time, make no mistake about it.

    Hang them, and they personally will never commit such things again.

    Oh don’t get me wrong, the police, the media, and the British government are all guilty as well, but the likelihood of them getting hung for their actions is very unlikely. Best case scenario is to force those who can be tied to this, to retire from their line of work with a few sacrificial goats turned over to be hung too.

    What happened was downright evil, but it also doesn’t surprise me. You get what you import in mass numbers, and as much as they like to say “Asian” men, what they mean is Middle Eastern, and Africans who claimed to be middle Eastern. From the stories I have heard from the troops who were stationed in those areas, this wouldn’t be seen as out of the ordinary for their cultures. So it doesn’t surprise me that when they show up in large numbers, their culture and its horrors start showing up too.

    • – W

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    1. el Avatar
      el

      \ I’ve said it before. You want this to stop. Hang those doing such things. Nothing short of this will stop such situations.

      Cannot find the info now, but remember hearing that when FSU increased penalty for rape, the cases of rape-and-murder spiked. Clarissa, is this true?

      There are multiple reasons why societies with the harshest punishments for criminals care little about human life and dignity, including those of victims, in contrast to better run societies.

      To make it stop, one needs to go to the roots of the problem and work to aggressively assimilate newcomers, sending back those who fail to do so. Controlling quality and quantity of new arrivals is a must too.

      Another idea is to make those men pay huge financial fines: arresting their bank accounts, their cars, flats, etc. Their families, who kept silent while living in the same house, should be affected to. This is the logic behind Israeli policy of “punitive house demolitions of the homes of terrorists and their relatives.”

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      1. - W Avatar
        – W

        I understand you likely have a revulsion to the idea of execution and quick execution being an acceptable method of removing problems however the fact is that once someone is executed they no longer commit crimes. If left alive but in prison they are a burden on taxpayers. In our current society they also tend to get let out after a few years pretty frequently.

        Every major leftist hellhole is reporting the same thing. Revolving door for theft, and a just a few years at best for rape. Before a sizeable chunk do it again after being released. (No I will not play word games with you. Even one rape or murder by a formerly imprisoned rapist or murder by a formerly imprisoned murderer let out early is one to many.)

        Do societies with draconian penalties tend to care little about life and dignity, yes. You know who cares even less. Those societies who side with murderers and rapists against their victims.

        You could do as you say and work back to the roots. This takes time, and political willpower to do so. At the moment time is no longer something anyone in their right mind is willing to grant you. This plague of evil has been going on for 10 to 15 years nonstop. The second requirement, political willpower is something you will not find. The British Government, Media, and the tops of the police departments made that clear when they told the world that they would arrest anyone telling “lies” about the rape gangs of foreigners.

        Your last idea is laughable in the extreme. Who exactly will be “making those men pay huge financial fines?” The PD departments who refused to look into the cases for years? The media who were clearly on the other side? The Politicians who can’t find their shoelaces on a good day? The only reason it works in Israel, and even then its probably not as often as you think. Is because there is the political will and the police force willing to take action. Britain has neither.

        You have a choice. Execution, or vigilante justice. I suspect we will see the rise of vigilante justice sooner or later if things are not sorted out quickly. Frankly its faster and easier to simply hang them. Also known in laymen’s terms of (if a rapist is executed, he has no more victims and thus there is one less rapist on the streets.)

        • – W

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    2. Avi Avatar
      Avi

      I wish it were that simple. It isn’t.

      You can’t have capital punishment in secular societies that are not totalitarian. Capital punishment as a legal instrument of justice only exists in religious societies or in autocracies.

      Of course, capital punishment as a form of private redress or vengeance exists in all societies, including our “marvellous” democracies.

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      1. - W Avatar
        – W

        It kind of is that simple.

        People don’t really understand their options because they don’t know their own history. This country America is a Constitutional Republic. It is not a democracy. We don’t do mob rule no matter what the media claims. Up until roughly the 1960s many states still had capital punishment. These states were not totalitarian societies, though it is unfortunate that they like the others had abandoned God by this point.

        For the United States, from 1776 to sometime in the late 1950s, capital punishment was used. Not often as there wasn’t a ton of crimes that deserved it, but it was still used. Nearly every single nation in the world had capital punishment till roughly the same time. Some were totalitarian, some were monarchies, some republics, a few were communist hellholes, some were secular, and some not. It was a punishment that could be and was used worldwide.

        The media has convinced people that it is impossible to put it back on the books. It is not. It would take, a simple majority vote and it would be in use again.

        You think if enough people didn’t pressure those spineless thieves in the various governments they wouldn’t pass it in order to keep their lifestyle? They don’t actually give a damn about the people they supposedly serve, they care about who is paying them. If they feel their lifestyle is threatened enough, they would gladly call for immediate public executions.

        United States – last execution 1/16/21

        Britain – last execution 8/13/1964 via hanging

        France – last execution 9/10/1977 via beheading

        Spain – last execution 9/27/1975 via firing squad

        New Zealand – last execution 1957 via hanging

        Egypt – Current legal and in use

        South Africa – last execution 11/1989 via hanging

        Russia – last execution 10/19/1994 via bullet to back of head

        Brazil – last execution 1/1979

        Dominican Republic – last execution 1986

        Some of those countries were totalitarian, but most are Republics. They didn’t just start after the last execution, they started well before, sometimes centuries before. Things can change, laws can be changed, punishments can be changed. Its not a one way street.

        I like to bring up Germany right before WWII a lot, because it provides a lot of good examples. Take Berlin. Most people associate Berlin with being a hotbed of Nazism right before the war. Would it surprise you to find out that around roughly 1930, there was less than 1,000 card carrying brown-coats in the city, and something close to 600,000 card carrying communists? Oh yes, the city of Berlin was a known hotbed of communism by the end of the 1920s. Yet by the time 1940 rolled around, that had completely changed. You think all 600,000 card carrying communists were killed or imprisoned. They weren’t, a certain Austrian Painter was so charismatic he managed to convince the vast majority of them to join his faction instead.

        My point is that what looks set in stone today is not. Five years ago the world seemed to be in a liberal lockstep. We seemed destined to see the insanity flood out everywhere. Today things are changing for the better.

        So to bring it all back. No, given the right circumstances, we could see capital punishment pop back up very quickly.

        • – W

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        1. methylethyl Avatar
          methylethyl

          Has it really been four years since our last one?

          I remember when they offed Bundy. There were people outside the prison keeping vigil, with signs saying “Burn, Bundy Burn!” I guess they just wanted to make absolutely sure the state would go through with it.

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  7. el Avatar
    el

    Also, “Asian men” made me think of Chinese or Filipino men, which was a bit strange to me. After google revealed it was a code for Pakistani Muslim men, things started looking more ‘normal.’

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    1. cliff arroyo Avatar
      cliff arroyo

      ““Asian men” made me think of Chinese or Filipino men”

      In the UK “Asian” usually refers to South Asia (the Indian Subcontinent).

      In the US (and more broadly internationally AFAICT) “Asian” usually refers to East and Southeast Asia.

      Your confusion has been shared by many non-Brits over the years.

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      1. Clarissa Avatar
        Clarissa

        Yes, one can just imagine crowds of South Koreans or Japanese chasing girls in the streets of Manchester.

        I wonder how it happens that this image is instantaneously perceived as comedic and not real.

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  8. oldcowboy3 Avatar
    oldcowboy3

    Frankly. I don’t think most people truly understand the scope of this. Some estimates suggest the raping of 250,000 kids in more than 50 towns over 50 years. Grooming, horseshit, it is mass rape, the girls are far too young to consent (essentially grade five and six year olds). Can the current British legal system even provide a suitable penalty, for what is basically an act of war?

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    1. - W Avatar
      – W

      Yes, its called a noose at midday. Something that was common in Britain till … you know I’m not entirely sure when they stopped, but given that 1960 seems to be roughly when everything went to hell I would guess they stopped around then.

      That was quite literally the penalty for this type of stuff. You hang the devils as an example so others don’t do what they did.

      • – W

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  9. methylethyl Avatar
    methylethyl

    What kind of special hell do you have to live in, for two sets of strangers, IN THE SAME DAY, to respond to a cry for help from an injured girl, by taking her home and raping her?

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    1. oldcowboy3 Avatar
      oldcowboy3

      Agreed, I am too pissed off to be reasonable, so I am going to try to do something useful and go grocery shopping ;-D

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    2. cliff arroyo Avatar
      cliff arroyo

      “What kind of special hell do you have to live in….?”

      …England! Though probably any country sufficiently in the throws of multiculturalism will have similar results.

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      1. methylethyl Avatar
        methylethyl

        (expletive deleted)

        As little as it is, at least in my trashy ghetto town, I have a reasonable expectation that if somebody throws me out of a moving car, somebody will immediately call the cops, I will get help, and then 100 useful busybodies will be on the local FB group sleuthing the make and model of the car, like they do for every hit-and-run.

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  10. el Avatar
    el

    I read this description you quoted several times till the most basic realization dawned: if one man of ‘Asian’ descent after another tries to rape a child in a certain city area, what does it say about the entire Pakistani Muslim community in the UK? The text reads like all Muslim men in Oldham are rapists. If one stops to think, the logic conclusion is that not all Muslims are like that, but a significant part really is, and it is tolerated by their wider community. Otherwise, she wouldn’t meet one criminal after another on those streets. It cannot be a coincidence.

    That’s why both usual Englishmen and authorities turn their eyes away. The former don’t want to deal with both ‘racist’ and truly racist feelings the descriptions help to create, while the latter cannot admit the decades-old politicies of mass migration didn’t work as promised since it means taking responsibility and offering new ideas they don’t have. Besides, those politicians depend on support of immigrant communities and do not want to lose it after ‘talking too much’ about those ‘extraordinary’ cases.

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  11. Stringer Bell Avatar
    Stringer Bell

    I’m so fucking tired of this fake term “South Asian” propping up everywhere. Funny how this term is used by western media to avoid saying ‘India’ and ‘Pakistan’ (but for different reasons lol).

    So, Diwali becomes a South Asian festival and child rapists in UK become South Asian grooming gangs.

    Started in academia, of course. “South Asian Studies” my ass.

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    1. methylethyl Avatar
      methylethyl

      “Rapist Savages Studies” just doesn’t have the same funding appeal.

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      1. Stringer Bell Avatar
        Stringer Bell

        “Diwali, the South Asian Festival of Lights”

        “South Asian stew”

        Die, you fucking freaks!

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        1. Clarissa Avatar
          Clarissa

          Wow, I had no idea this was a thing. I agree that it’s utterly moronic.

          “Honey, let’s go out for some South Asian food today” is something nobody ever said.

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          1. oldcowboy3 Avatar
            oldcowboy3

            More insight:

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          2. oldcowboy3 Avatar
            oldcowboy3

            Yeah, at least my grandfather put brown sugar, butter, and cream on my hot oatmeal when I was a kid ;-D ,

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    2. cliff arroyo Avatar
      cliff arroyo

      “South Asian” ….used by western media to avoid saying ‘India’ and ‘Pakistan’”

      Well “South Asia” also includes Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka (and maybe Bhutan).

      It’s a legitimate term for a large geographical region with some commonalities.

      But yeah, it’s also used as a euphemism and like much PC terminology intended to hide the truth. Pakistani Rape Gangs is much more accurate than “South Asian Grooming Gangs” but the latter is far less specific and less informative (the purpose of all PC terminology).

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