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A Hysteric Unleashed

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So this guy

shot this child

dead and that’s ruled self-defense because he said so?

Good luck to the people who let the freakazoid roam the streets of their city free. I hope they don’t look too scary to his diseased brain.

Maybe the smart people of Florida should give Zimmerman a bazooka to make it easier for this unhinged hysteric to protect himself from the terrifying world that surrounds him. Who knows, he might need to mow down a menacing little old lady or an evil toddler.

What is really scary, though, is how many of these untreated hysterics roam the streets and how many similarly sick hysterics are eager to celebrate them.

54 responses to “A Hysteric Unleashed”

  1. Roberto Severino Avatar
    Roberto Severino

    I really have no opinion on this case and nor do I care or even like Zimmerman or Trayvon. I keep hearing completely different stories on both sides and there are people who supported Zimmerman that say if one had looked at the “facts” of the case, then the acquittal wouldn’t have been so much of a surprise.

    I think people should wake up and start to be more concerned about the crime that’s been a problem in places like Chicago and try to do something about it whether it’s bringing awareness through posters, etc. Not just Chicago or Detroit, but in our own communities too.

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    1. Roberto Severino Avatar
      Roberto Severino

      No matter what the verdict was, I think there’s a serious racial divide in this country that needs to be addressed. There is nothing to celebrate when you think about it in that context.

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      1. danmillerinpanama Avatar
        danmillerinpanama

        I agree that there is a “serious racial divide.” However, the failure of the prosecution to present sufficient evidence to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt of Mr. Zimmerman’s guilt on either count as required by law is not part of that divide. There is, however, something to celebrate: the rule of law, rather than of racial passion and/or fear of rioting prevailed.

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        1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
          bloggerclarissa

          A crazed hysteric shoots an unarmed kid and that’s rule of law? What law is that, survival of the craziest?

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  2. Titfortat Avatar
    Titfortat

    Blame the prosecutors, they fucked it up.

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  3. Evelina Anville Avatar
    Evelina Anville

    Wow. I can’t believe that he got off. Completely disgusting and sickening.

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  4. Evelina Anville Avatar
    Evelina Anville

    “there are people who supported Zimmerman that say if one had looked at the “facts” of the case, then the acquittal wouldn’t have been so much of a surprise.”

    The facts? The fact is that an adult man shot and killed an unarmed minor. That’s it. All other “facts” are irrelevant.

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    1. Roberto Severino Avatar
      Roberto Severino

      Not my words, theirs. I haven’t even been following this whole debacle that long, but that’s the kind of stuff I’ve seen posted on various social networking websites.

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    2. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      “The fact is that an adult man shot and killed an unarmed minor. That’s it. All other “facts” are irrelevant.”

      – Exactly. Zimmerman was in a car. He could have simply driven away if he was so terrified of the kid.

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    3. Titfortat Avatar
      Titfortat

      Obviously the facts presented to the jury were very relevant.

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  5. hkatz Avatar
    hkatz

    The way legislators crafted Florida law, and the way the prosecutors chose to present the case, made it very likely that Zimmerman would walk free.

    I wonder what the verdict will be in this Florida case:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57571474/is-stand-your-ground-to-blame-for-another-teens-death/

    Middle-aged white guy shoots into a car full of unarmed black teenagers in a public parking lot, because he asked them to turn their music down and they didn’t, and he got into an argument with them; he kills one of them, a 17 year old kid. He claims – later on – that he was in fear of his life and that he saw a shotgun pointed at him. Police found no shotgun. How far does Florida’s self-defense laws go to cover for these kinds of shooters, and their paranoid cowboy delusions? Can they keep claiming they’re in fear of their life over anything, especially in the course of an aggressive confrontation they themselves initiate?

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    1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      It’s really bizarre that juries keep identifying with these hysterics and not with their victims. It’s also disturbing that so many obviously unhealthy people walk around with lethal weapons.

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      1. el Avatar
        el

        What is bizarre here? Weren’t they BLACK and the shooter WHITE? You once talked how juries aren’t composed only of white men, but they surely behave so.

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        1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
          bloggerclarissa

          Zimmerman isn’t considered white in the US.

          And on the case of the preacher’s wife who shot the sleeping husband on the back, they were both white.

          There is this weird phenomenon in this entire culture where any sort of atrocity is acceptable if the murderer claims self-defense.

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      2. el Avatar
        el

        // Zimmerman isn’t considered white in the US.

        He isn’t considered black either. It’s not black and white, there are degrees.

        The preacher’s wife case was very weird. Especially, when in another case a woman made a warning shoot in the wall, she got many years in jail, so being a woman isn’t always helpful and self-defense doesn’t always help either. It does seem to help, if on the other side are black men/ teens.

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        1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
          bloggerclarissa

          “He isn’t considered black either. It’s not black and white, there are degrees. The preacher’s wife case was very weird. Especially, when in another case a woman made a warning shoot in the wall, she got many years in jail, so being a woman isn’t always helpful and self-defense doesn’t always help either.”

          – That’s exactly what I’m saying! Obviously, race was a big factor in this case. However, there are many other factors at play, and I think we need to analyze them too. For now, all I’m seeing is that people repeat the platitude about “the huge racial divide” and no insights are getting generated.

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  6. charlesrowley Avatar
    charlesrowley

    There is more to this than meets the eye, Martin was not a child. he was a fully-grown 17 year old male His arrest record was falsified by the Miami-Dade School district police force on pressure by black activists to reduce the criminal records of black males. Martin was arrested twice before his death, On the first occasion, he was caught in possession of a set of burglery tools and a large quantity of stolen wommens jewellery. On the second occasion he was caught in possession of large quantity of marijuana and of drug-related equipment. These offences were downgraded by the polie to minor school offences for which he sfer

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    1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      None of this is relevant because the killer couldn’t have known any of it. Besides, Zimmerman could have simply left in his car if he was so terrified. This is the only normal reaction when one is scared. Shooting at people because you imagined something is not normal.

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    2. Titfortat Avatar
      Titfortat

      Charles

      Just so you know, even if Travis punched Zimmerman in the face. Even if he kicked him repeatedly in the face(I have had that happen BTW). Shooting someone for that is way, way over the top.

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      1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
        bloggerclarissa

        “Just so you know, even if Travis punched Zimmerman in the face. Even if he kicked him repeatedly in the face(I have had that happen BTW). Shooting someone for that is way, way over the top.”

        – Exactly. Besides, he could have driven away in his car. A person who is terrified of somebody but keeps hanging around the source of this extreme terror is not a healthy person. If he chooses to shoot somebody dead rather than leave, I don’t know what else needs to be said about this.

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    3. el Avatar
      el

      There is even more than meets the eye with Zimmerman:

      1) “A woman with close ties to George Zimmerman and his family told investigators that members of Zimmerman’s family were boastfully proud racists and that for more than a decade Zimmerman sexually molested her.”
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/george-zimmerman_n_1676729.html

      2) From comments on feministe :

      “Zimmerman has an actual history of violent criminal behavior (battery against cop, restraining order against him from ex-fiancé), but Trayvon Martin is the “thug”? Why wasn’t Zimmerman’s criminal past brought up time and time again by the prosecution. I just don’t understand it.”

      Liked this post:
      http://www.balancingjane.com/2013/07/criminality-urban-living-and-race-when.html

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  7. charlesrowley Avatar
    charlesrowley

    Once again, your comment section is not working properly. So I shall complete my comment here:

    These offences were downgraded by by the police to minor school infringements, and Martin received two minor school suspensions. If this information had been revealed to the jury, Zimmerman’s defence woulf have been significantly improved. No doubt, spending some time behind hbars would have increased Martin’s life expetancy.

    these offences were downgraded by the police to minor school offences, for which he received two minor suspensions. Clearly if this evidence had been allowed in court, the case in favor of George Zimmerman would have significantly improved.. Fortunately the jury saw through ther affirmative

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    1. hkatz Avatar
      hkatz

      “Clearly if this evidence had been allowed in court, the case in favor of George Zimmerman would have significantly improved..”

      I should hope not, because it isn’t relevant. Zimmerman didn’t know anything about this kid, other than that he was walking alone late at night; Martin wasn’t doing anything illegal at the time. Even the 9/11 operator Zimmerman initially talked to told him that he doesn’t have to get out of the car (or told him to stay in the car… I forget the exact wording). But he had a gun on him, and wanted to play at being a tough cop.

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      1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
        bloggerclarissa

        “Zimmerman didn’t know anything about this kid, other than that he was walking alone late at night; Martin wasn’t doing anything illegal at the time. ”

        – Exactly. He can’t be scared of what he doesn’t know about. And even if he did, death penalty is not a fit punishment for those infractions nor are private citizens allowed to execute anybody for such offenses.

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      2. hkatz Avatar
        hkatz

        “And even if he did, death penalty is not a fit punishment for those infractions nor are private citizens allowed to execute anybody for such offenses.”

        Yes, that too. But people keep bringing up the fact that Martin wasn’t a golden boy because it makes them feel less bad about his death.

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        1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
          bloggerclarissa

          This is a very, very young boy who is now dead. He will never talk, walk, smile, breathe, etc. This is a horrible tragedy that cannot be justified. And now the killer is free to kill more people he dislikes.

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    2. Sister Avatar
      Sister

      Is this a joke? What does your weird commentary have to do with what happened?

      It is pretty clear to me that had this 17-year old been white, the verdict (and all these misguided informational bits) would have been different.

      When a case of racism is this blatant, it would probably be nice for us all to shut up for a brief second, Mr. Rowley. You can do in-depth analysis & pontificate on it a bit later.

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  8. Titfortat Avatar
    Titfortat

    The blame lies squarely on how the prosecutors decided to present their case.

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    1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      In what sense?

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  9. Titfortat Avatar
    Titfortat

    They tried for second degree murder and not manslaughter. It wasn’t until they realized they wouldn’t get him for 2nd degree that they attempted to try for another charge to be included. Something in regards to child abuse.

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  10. musteryou Avatar
    musteryou

    Cant’ be a hysteric as he is male. The hysteric was the woman who fired warning shots into the wall. Why would someone shoot a wall!!!??

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    1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      “Cant’ be a hysteric as he is male. The hysteric was the woman who fired warning shots into the wall. Why would someone shoot a wall!!!??”

      🙂 🙂 🙂

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  11. musteryou Avatar
    musteryou

    Sure, two people got into a squabble, but one just brought a bag of candy with him to fight his war. How illogical is that???!!!

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    1. Titfortat Avatar
      Titfortat

      Muster

      You really are insane.

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      1. musteryou Avatar
        musteryou

        Oh, I thought I just had a sense of humor, but I guess not, now that you have pointed it out.

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      2. Titfortat Avatar
        Titfortat

        Funny, for sure. Most nuts are quite entertaining.

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  12. Z Avatar
    Z

    Related: a friend in law enforcement revealed this weekend that the reason for current shoot to kill orders is monetary. In the past one was to shoot to injure at most, but this means that the person lives and can live to sue. Cheaper to shoot to kill, because you will be exonerated and the likelihood of winning lawsuits is lessened — theoretically, the idea being there will be nobody left to file the suit. Moral: file civil suit.

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    1. el Avatar
      el

      I would have preferred people passed a law forbidding criminals caught in the act by police to sue the policemen, rather than this “solution.” Shows how much human life is worth in the eyes of law enforcement and their superiors, who gave the order.

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    2. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      I agree with the moral completely. OJ got his punishment in a civil suit. So should Zimmerman.

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  13. Evelina Anville Avatar
    Evelina Anville

    First, I agree completely with Sister. If the races were reversed (as in Trayvon was white and the assailant was black), I believe in my heart of hearts that this would have been a different verdict. On a second (slightly unrelated) note, I would bet a great deal of money that those who support Zimmerman’s acquittal are the same people who are anti abortion and weep over “unborn babies”; it seems that “born babies”–especially “born black babies” are beneath their interest.

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  14. Stringer Bell Avatar
    Stringer Bell

    Charles Rowley, ladies and gentlemen, in all his splendor. Why this racist dunce continues to get carte blanche on this blog is a fucking mystery. He’d better be blackmailing you with some good shit, Clarissa.

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    1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
      bloggerclarissa

      “He’d better be blackmailing you with some good shit, Clarissa.”

      – Let’s not repeat weird ideas cooked up by strange people whose own blogs only get comments of the “You are such a total genius please post more of the same” variety.

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  15. el Avatar
    el

    There is one horrifying comment on feministe, which begins with:

    A lot of my friends did this with their kids too. That’s exactly the way all children should be raised in my opinion though it’s not always easy to do for sure.

    http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2013/07/14/trayvon-martin-open-thread/#comments

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  16. el Avatar
    el

    Since you published previously about Snowden and US reaction, here is the continuation:

    U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed wanted intelligence leaker Edward Snowden in a telephone call, the White House said.

    “The two leaders noted the importance of U.S.-Russian bilateral relations and discussed a range of security and bilateral issues, including the status of Mr. Edward Snowden and cooperation on counter-terrorism in the lead-up to the Sochi Winter Olympics,” the White House said Friday following the phone call.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Obama initiated the call, RIA Novosti reported.

    http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2013/7/14/obama_putin_discuss_snowden.htm

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  17. el Avatar
    el

    // For now, all I’m seeing is that people repeat the platitude about “the huge racial divide” and no insights are getting generated.

    AM also touched upon “gun rights for people with history of violence” angle:

    The gun industry knows that violent, paranoid people are a steady source of profits for them, and therefore they have lobbied hard to make sure that said people can continue to give them money without being impeded.
    …
    In July 2005, he was arrested for“resisting officer with violence.” […] The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted. Meanwhile, over the course of eight years, Zimmerman made at least 46 calls to the Sanford (Fla.) Police Department reporting suspicious activity involving black males.
    …
    Under common sense gun regulation, Zimmerman would have permanently lost his right to concealed carry when he assaulted a cop. If not then, then when the state granted a restraining order. (His retaliatory restraining order is further evidence of his paranoid mind set that should be taken into consideration when evaluating this case.) If a case is serious enough that the state can force you into an alcohol education program, then it should be serious enough to take your gun away from you.
    …
    you look at this history, and you see a man who is being told, over and over again, that he gets to be a violent asshole and no one will do anything to stop him. […] The odds that a man like this will retire from a career of violence quietly are pretty low. Let’s just hope that if he assaults or, god forbid, kills again, the heightened attention will make it much harder for him to get away with it next time.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/15/george-zimmerman-shouldnt-have-had-a-gun/

    From comments:

    “I’m wondering if people are vetted at all for neighborhood watch programs. […] Allowing a person with a history of violence and racism to carry a gun and to join a program that lets him indulge in his authoritarian fantasies–gosh, how could it have gone so wrong, huh?”

    “I read yesterday that the gun he used to shoot Trayvon is being returned to him.”

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  18. Stille (@aperfectbalance) Avatar
    Stille (@aperfectbalance)

    From what I understand, he was acquitted because they couldn’t prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t self-defense. Also, from my understanding of US law, following a kid around and getting out of the car and bothering him is neither legally wrong, nor considered a provocation. Supposing Martin attacked him first and started slamming his head into the sidewalk, he’d have had sufficient grounds for shooting in self-defense, since (in this version of the story) both ability (people can be killed by such head injuries), opportunity (a person on top of another on the sidewalk can easily kill the person on the bottom by causing head injury) and jeopardy (if someone’s slamming another person’s head on the slammer, the second person can reasonably believe they’re at risk of being killed – it’s hard to estimate exactly the force of an impact that will or will not kill) would’ve been present. Granted, there’s no proof that this is actually what happened, but then again there’s no proof that it didn’t happen, so I find myself agreeing with the jury here – not because Zimmerman isn’t a complete fuckhead hysteric who’s morally responsible for the death of that poor boy, but because the law as written doesn’t seem to be interpretable as allowing for a guilty verdict in this case, and I’m wary of the precedent interpreting a law more loosely in favour of punishment in the country with one of the biggest numbers of prisoners per capita in the world – I think it’d be better to change the law. I do hope Zimmerman’s going to be looking over his shoulder for vigilantes like him for the rest of his miserable life, however.

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    1. hkatz Avatar
      hkatz

      “I do hope Zimmerman’s going to be looking over his shoulder for vigilantes like him for the rest of his miserable life, however.”

      According to his attorney, he’s getting his gun back and intends to carry it with him wherever he’s legally able to. He says he needs it because people are threatening him. While it’s true that he’s gotten threats, getting his gun back also leaves open the possibility that he’ll shoot and kill someone else, including someone who doesn’t actually mean him harm, because if he’s panicked or suspicious enough he might act on what he perceives as a threat.

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      1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
        bloggerclarissa

        “While it’s true that he’s gotten threats, getting his gun back also leaves open the possibility that he’ll shoot and kill someone else, including someone who doesn’t actually mean him harm, because if he’s panicked or suspicious enough he might act on what he perceives as a threat.”

        – That’s exactly what I said in the original post. The people of Florida who let him out now have to face living around this freakazoid. Why this consideration had no influence on them during the trial is what really mystifies me about all this.

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  19. Titfortat Avatar
    Titfortat

    “I do hope Zimmerman’s going to be looking over his shoulder for vigilantes like him for the rest of his miserable life, however.”

    Perfect sentiment for making our world a safer place. 😦

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  20. Pen Avatar
    Pen

    Popehat has an interesting perspective:

    http://www.popehat.com/2013/07/15/the-zimmerman-verdict-be-careful-what-you-wish-for/#more-19042

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    1. el Avatar
      el

      Seems like an interesting blog, “a number of Popehat’s authors are attorneys” so they know what they’re talking about.

      Another post I liked:

      Last week we learned that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court — which purportedly acts as a check on United States government surveillance power — has instead approved steady increases in surveillance.
      http://www.popehat.com/2013/07/08/secrets-and-lies/

      From comments:

      Oh, and don’t forget, that at least one of the key decisions was not only secret, but so secret it was kept secret from the rest of the FISA court!.

      They also have a post about study of humanities:
      http://www.popehat.com/2013/07/11/in-the-new-york-times-verlyn-klinkenborg-gets-it-wrong/

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  21. el Avatar
    el

    This blog links to another post on Zimmerman, from somebody who was “retained on the case as an expert witness for the defense” and is an ex-cop and nowadays “a nationally recognized self defense expert”. His posts promise to be interesting:
    http://www.popehat.com/2013/07/16/ayoob-on-zimmerman/

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    1. el Avatar
      el

      Here is the right link:
      http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/

      Whatever one thinks, it’s interesting to know what the other side’s claims are.

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      1. bloggerclarissa Avatar
        bloggerclarissa

        I have rarely seen such an impotent argument. Of course, impotence comes easily to male hysterics.

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