As Idiotic Fantasies Go. . .

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Clarissa

November 2, 2015

One of the most idiotic liberal fantasies is that unrestricted mass immigration (open borders policies) from countries with Enlightenment-hostile ideologies will result in something good for anything but a small subset of people, for a very short time.

Yes, oh yes, oh yes.

There was an article in the NYTIMES yesterday about this tiny German town of 102 people that is being ordered to take in 1,000 refugees. Out of these refugees at least 700 are bound to be young men. And this means they will want to work, do something productive with their lives. It is self-evident that a village of 102 cannot possibly have 700 job openings. So what is the plan for the refugees? To have hundreds of young, healthy, active men just sit there, stewing in their juices? Sounds like a peach of a project.

But there is one fellow in the village who’s ecstatic about the imminent arrival of the refugees. It’s the village’s lone Neo-Nazi. He’s tired of being the only Neo-Nazi in the area and is joyfully anticipating seeing his neighbors join him in his Neo-Nazi beliefs.

And it seems like the German authorities are bending over backwards to grant his wish.

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20 responses to “As Idiotic Fantasies Go. . .”

bwcarey

November 2, 2015

america was built by immigrants, the locals wiped out almost, lessons in history, we need to get to know our neighbors, amen

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cliff arroyo

November 2, 2015

“america was built by immigrants,”

No, America was not built by immigratns (people coming to join a new society) it was built by settlers (people creating a new society or extending an already existing society). Immigrants only show up when the settlers have done the groundwork.

A couple of problems. European (and other western) leaders are heavily insulated from the people they govern. If they don’t feel immediate negative effects they assume no one else is (or that those who are feeling negative effects are stupid losers and who cares about them anyway?)

They also have no direct contact with social dysfunction or that section of society that does not benefit from having lots of options. The sad fact is that a big section on the left-hand side of the bell curve need stable social structures and guidelines in order to be productive – without them they fall into total decadance and degradation.

Leaked documents show that barring a sudden change of course Germany is currently on schedule to recieve from 15 to 20 million immigrants by 2020. That’s 15 million people in five years who don’t know the language and without the social capital needed to succeed. There is absolutely no way for that work. None. It cannot work, the math refuses to cooperate with happy thoughts.

I think Angela Merkel may go down as the worst leader in post WWII Europe. Quite an accomplishmsnet.

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1. Clarissa
  
  November 2, 2015
  
  When I refute the pro-open borders argument of people I talk to (and that takes under 3 minutes, usually), they get very sulky and begin to whimper. I’m starting to wonder what kind of deep-seated psychological issues are creating the compulsion to argue for an obvious impossibility. It’s clear that there is no logic or reason behind the idea.
  
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2. matt
  
  November 2, 2015
  
  Strongly agree with this analysis. Do you have any links to the 15-20 million stat by 2020? Would love to see that, as I agree its unsustainable, just haven’t even heard it being that high.
  
  Also, I view politicians and elites (usually liberal in this case) who aren’t worried about the effects similar to celebrities using private jets not caring about higher energy costs (think al gore, leo decaprio etc.). They wax and wane poetically about adding european fuel tax rates, which would make the average gallon of gas increase say $2-3 MORE per gallon, costing an average family $1000-$2000 per year. For these wealthy individuals it might even cause them to spend $25,000 per year or even more. However, that money is literally meaningless to them. Not to the average family however.
  
  To make the correllation obvious for immigrants, these immigrants won’t take / compete for their jobs (or their social circles or family / children’s jobs), won’t live in their neighborhoods, go to their kids schools, frequent the same social hangout that they do. So its easy to be pious when it doesn’t effect you. To be cllear, and I think you would state this too, immigration is important and it is important to be open-minded and support people of different traits / skills / incomes / ethnicities, but their needs to be a structure.
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    November 2, 2015
    
    In Brussels, for instance, wealthier people simply move to an equivalent of gated communities where they don’t have to meet any immigrants. And I hope I don’t need to explain what a horrible social stratification this creates.
    
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    1. matt
      
      November 2, 2015
      
      Yep. Sounds also like Brazil and their gated communities? I may be wrong on the cause, but that is where the wealthy are eggregiously discounted from everyone else
      
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  2. cliff arroyo
    
    November 2, 2015
    
    Here’s a summary with a link to the government report (which is in German). The 20 million figure is 15 plus the curren 5 million or so muslims in Germany (who are not doing amazingly well – 50 per cent of working age ethnic Turks are dependent on gvoernment help and third generation immigrants from Turkey have lower employment levels than the first….).
    
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6793/germany-20-million-muslims
    
    The 15 million figure includes family reunification since they’re expecting that each person granted asylum will want to bring between 4 and 8 family members.
    
    The numbers, they make no sense. I don’t think it will happen because I think there will be some kind of mass unrest (putting it mildly) and the walls will come back up (with or without forced deportations).
    
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    1. Clarissa
      
      November 2, 2015
      
      If people from Turkey are finding it hard to integrate, what is going to happen to immigrants from the much less secular Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria?
      
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      1. cliff arroyo
        
        November 2, 2015
        
        “If people from Turkey are finding it hard to integrate”
        
        Well, IINM most of the “Turks” in Germany are actually ethnic Kurds (notably more badly educated and more religious than Turk Turks).
        Educated Turks do okay in Turkey which is mostly a very nice place to live and they mostly don’t emigrate.
        
        Point taken though, but actually paying attention to the track record of different migrant groups and planning immigration policy based on that seems to be inconceivable for the modern mind which is dedicated to the idea that humans are fungible like potatoes or water…..
        
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        Clarissa
        
        November 2, 2015
        
        Yes, absolutely, people are shuffled around like objects, as if they were just freshly manufactured at a factory and have no history, preferences, desires or just basic humanity of their own.
        
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TomW

November 2, 2015

The village doesn’t need to provide any jobs at all. Germany does not allow asylum seekers to work until the asylum claim has been processed. None of those people will be able to think about legal employment for at least a year. They will probably sit in that little village bored out of their minds, with nothing but TV, alcohol, and German lessons taught by student volunteers to distract them.

Not allowing asylum seekers to work is supposed to discourage economic migrants claiming political asylum. In practice, it is warehousing people in conditions only slightly better than prisons and fuels depression, alcoholism, and mental disorders so that people are even less suited for work when they are finally allowed to look for it.

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1. Clarissa
  
  November 2, 2015
  
  OK, this is even worse than I thought. What a horrible system.
  
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2. matt
  
  November 2, 2015
  
  Wow, thanks for that insight. I didn’t know they operated that way, but very interesting.
  
  Yeah, I get trying to stop economic migrants claiming political migrants, but what this really almost seems to say is the only hope is to basically control the total number of immigrants and keep it low? Because this much immigration is proving to be untenable.
  
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  1. Clarissa
    
    November 2, 2015
    
    What would help is to remove the words “refugee and asylum seeker” from the immigration discourse altogether. Immigrants thrive and the societies where they come thrive when immigrants arrive not as people who are coming to TAKE something valuable but as people who are coming to BRING something valuable. This is the nature of the programs that brought me first to Canada and then to the US, and the result is great.
    
    All of the discussions as to whether political hardship is a more noble form of suffering than economic hardship are deranged. This positions immigrants as objects of pity and never as equals. And all of this, “Let’s decide whom we pity more” is just degrading.
    
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    1. TomW
      
      November 2, 2015
      
      The Germans spent several decades pretending that their immigrants were “guest workers” who would all go home someday. Is it any wonder that they haven’t developed the kinds of programs, policies, and public attitudes that support positive immigration and integration.
      
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      1. Clarissa
        
        November 2, 2015
        
        Good point. The entire history of immigration into Germany is characterized by a refusal to see reality and a creation of pleasing myths instead.
        
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    2. el
      
      November 2, 2015
      
      \ What would help is to remove the words “refugee and asylum seeker” from the immigration discourse altogether.
      
      So, would you be OK with Europe saying “since we don’t need (such) immigrants, we will accept zero people from Syria and send back those who come”? (That’s Israeli position in practice, especially since they are citizens of an enemy state.)
      
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      1. Clarissa
        
        November 2, 2015
        
        The people who come from Syria are not immigrants but refugees.
        
        As I said, I’m in favor of the Canadian professional immigration or the US H1B program which is, to an extent, a similar kind of thing.
        
        People who come to Canada on professional immigration visas renounce any right to welfare benefits for a lengthy period of time, demonstrate that they have a set sum of money they are bringing to live on, and provide a list of sponsors who will pay their expenses if they can’t do it on their own. I’ve experienced the program first-hand and I find it to be really great. During the immigration process, my political or economic hardship was not discussed at all because it wasn’t about me begging for mercy. I didn’t feel like a supplicant or a charity case. And since Canadians weren’t giving me any handouts, I felt perfectly justified in putting them in their places when needed from day 1.
        
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        el
        
        November 2, 2015
        
        \ The people who come from Syria are not immigrants but refugees.
        
        Aren’t all people who are entering EU now claiming to be refugees?
        
        In practice, accepting refugees / asylum seekers = accepting mass (im)migration, like Germany now is experiencing, no? I don’t understand what is your proposed solution to the situation.
        
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        Clarissa
        
        November 2, 2015
        
        Removing or at least dramatically reducing welfare benefits. We have already established that these benefits are what makes Germany and Sweden so attractive is destinations, as opposed to the European countries that offer much lower payments.
        
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