More Faucimail

And? Do “we” have ties to this “work abroad”?

Might it make sense to investigate and find out?

19 thoughts on “More Faucimail”

  1. Clearly, as early as February ’20, there has been a discussion at the highest levels of NIH about (1) the potential laboratory origin of the virus, and (2) the potential involvement of the US tax-payer funds in funding the said laboratory. Yes, the Fauci emails do not show any conclusive evidence one way or another. The fact that both of these issues have been seriously discussed is concerning enough. There should have been a full-blown investigation into this more than a year ago. If someone is not bothered by this, I am not quite sure what to say. Perhaps there will be an investigation now (there should be), but if there are any guilty parties they did have more than a year to get ready.

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  2. It always bothered me that the Wuhan lab was just a few blocks away from where the virus supposedly originated, and it just so happened to be investigating/experimenting on coronaviruses. So far it all seems very circumstantial, but absolutely needs to be fully investigated to rule out the man-made possibility.

    The problem is, how to make China cooperate? This would need to be unified world vs China kinda of scenario. The other question then becomes, what if China did in fact engineer this virus? What then? What are the consequences for that?

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    1. I agree with you. But I think the question is more serious than that. What if China with the assistance (remote or not) of the US taxpayer money and scientists did in fact engineer the virus? I am personally more bothered by the potential involvement of the US than I am of China. One would hope that the US would cooperate in the investigation, but I am not holding my breath.

      I am old enough to remember the Chernobyl disaster. I was very young at that time but I do remember when it happened. This is one billion times worse.

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      1. “I agree with you. But I think the question is more serious than that. What if China with the assistance (remote or not) of the US taxpayer money and scientists did in fact engineer the virus? I am personally more bothered by the potential involvement of the US than I am of China. One would hope that the US would cooperate in the investigation, but I am not holding my breath.”

        I doubt this will be the case. There were institutes from Europe, Canada, and other places also doing collaboration work with the Wuhan institute. Doubt this means they were all working on some nefarious virus, that kind of stuff would be almost impossible to keep under wraps.
        Besides, US working with China on engineering a virus would require an incredible amount of cooperation that doesn’t even exists with our closest allies. You have to jump through too many hoops and make too many assumptions to even make this feasible.

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        1. I am not talking about the US government working specifically with the Chinese government on developing a virus. I am talking about a scenario in which the federal government funds a grant given to a researcher or a group of researchers to fund work on the gain of function (or a related topic), and part of this work is done in China (let’s say in Wuhan) through an international collaboration. In relation to this work, virus escapes. This is a plausible scenario that has to be investigated and something Fauci et al. even worried about as shown in his emails.

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    2. China’s not going to cooperate. But we need to stop funding dangerous viral research there. Why are we giving these people money to research bioweapons for us, as though they were allies?

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  3. So called gain of function research is not as unique as some people think. This type of research was done in many places. It is entirely possible that this type of research is being conducted in the US right now. With increased safety precautions, hopefully. The premise of this research is to take some animal virus that has potential to evolve into a human virus, and then modify it and explore it and be prepared for the moment when the virus actually evolves in the wild. To prevent something like SARS and MERS outbreaks. The purpose of this research is not to create bio-weapons. If you think of it, COVID is pretty bad as a military grade bio-weapon, it is not that deadly and not that infectious… So nobody “unleashed” anything. Using this vocabulary creates wrong impressions, as it implies presence of intent. And only very bad people could do such thing intentionally. It is much more likely that somebody has been careless.
    And now that bad things happened, of course everybody is hiding any involvement. Especially the US people, with US legal system being as it is… Suing China would be pretty pointless, but suing NIH or Fauci personally may actually work…

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    1. Of course, this research is done in many different places and there’s nothing shocking about that. Bio-weapon research is also done by many countries. This isn’t what we are finding shocking.

      The shock arises from a year of bullying, silencing, firing and threatening with prosecution anybody who said publicly any of this. And now finding out that it’s exactly what happened.

      We all know I suck at analogies but let me try one. Let’s say I suspect that my husband ate the last piece of cake in the fridge. When I ask him, he tells me it’s an insulting, racist accusation. How dare I? I’m making him suicidal by saying something like this. He’s going to divorce me if I ever say it again. And then I discover that he did eat the cake. The eating of the cake is not a big deal. His behavior is.

      If the possibility that the virus escaped from a lab were discussed calmly from the start, it wouldn’t be a big deal. But it wasn’t! It’s the gaslighting and the cruelty of the people who engaged in the coverup that is so maddening.

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      1. And by the way, as I reported on this blog on January of 2020, the first time I heard that the virus escaped from the lab and exactly how it might have happened was from a Chinese scientist. Who is very patriotic about China but didn’t find it particularly remarkable or eerie that these accidents happen in labs. I didn’t find it remarkable either. It’s only after it became dangerous to say any of it aloud that it became a fraught subject.

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      2. “The shock arises from a year of bullying, silencing, firing and threatening with prosecution anybody who said publicly any of this. And now finding out that it’s exactly what happened.”

        I agree Clarissa. Biden is basically saying and doing the same things as Trump and the media is applauding him.

        Good journalism costs money nowadays. If you’re not paying for it, chances are they are just selling you a message instead.

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  4. “… the Fauci emails do not show any conclusive evidence one way or another.”

    They are redacted. Heavily redacted. If you download the large but searchable PDF of Fauci’s e-mails:

    Click to access leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails.pdf

    and use the search term “origin of”, you will find that e-mails about “origin of” SARS-CoV-2 are completely blanked out.

    This stinks. And it’s yet another test of how docile and stupid the American public will be.

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    1. The redacted parts are fascinating. And you are right, looking at some emails in isolation doesn’t give one a full picture. As you start reading them, it becomes clear that something happened between 2/25/20 and 2/27/20 that really freaked Fauci out. His attitude changed completely. But what it was is unknown because those parts are censored.

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  5. “nobody ‘unleashed’ anything”

    If China carried out gain-of-function experiments to make SARS-CoV-2 more lethal to humans, then allowed it to escape from a lab, and then lied through its teeth about what it knew, then the Chinese regime has the blood of millions on its hands. So do the worthless “elites” of the United States and Europe who ran interference for China’s regime for sixteen long months, and who called Trump “xenophobic” for pointing out the likely origin of SARS-CoV-2 back when pointing out the truth was very inconvenient for the Chinese regime and its sycophants in the West.

    I could write more — much, much more — but I’m too angry and I’ll write too many things that are of no use.

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    1. I still can’t get over how it’s extremely racist to say “Chinese virus” but not “Indian variant.” The hypocrisy is insane, especially given that the variant is really not that different from the original virus.

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    2. ” the Chinese regime has the blood of millions on its hands”

      Oh please. This is the Chinese Communist Party with total unbroken continuity to the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. They’ve already wracked up a body count in the tens of millions – covid is small potatoes for them.
      And knowing that… western governments still, deliberately, with malice aforethought, made them an integral part of the world economy – treason on a scale that’s scarcely imaginable.

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  6. Oooooh, here’s more stuff for people to get stupidly uninterested about!

    On January 31, 2020, from Kristian Andersen to Anthony Fauci:

    “Yes, I saw this earlier today and both Eddie and myself are actually quoted in it. It’s a great article, but the problem is that our phylogenetic analyses aren’t able to answer whether the [SARS-CoV-2] sequences are unusual at individual residues, except if they are completely off. On a phylogenetic tree the virus looks totally normal and the close clustering with bats suggest that bats serve as the reservoir. The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome (<0.1%) so one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered.

    “We have a good team lined up to look very critically at this, so we should know much more at the end of the weekend. I should mention that after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike, and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory [i.e., the genome does not look the way it should look if it naturally evolved]. But we have to look at this much more closely and there are still further analyses to be done, so those opinions could still change.”

    (There are several other e-mails involving Andersen … which are either completely redacted, or almost so.)

    So even by the end of January 2020, when the official Narrative was already being pushed out, somebody was privately telling Fauci, “Er, not so fast.” We don’t know what else that person said, because, redacted.

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    1. Curiously, this is exactly what Indian scientists who were studying the virus said, and they were rubbished as propagandists and stupid, unprofessional hacks. There are scientists who lost their jobs and were vilified for saying precisely this. And now I’m crazy for getting upset over this? It’s no big deal?

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