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Apparently, DeSantis said yesterday that he’s opposed to sending US troops to Ukraine.

Of course, everybody in Ukraine is also completely opposed to having the overweight, over-vaccinated, over-medicated, extra sensitive and wokely brainwashed US soldiers who have failed in every military operation for generations come over.

So DeSantis doesn’t need to fret. US soldiers aren’t in demand as soldiers. But they are hugely useful as guinea pigs for Big Pharma.

I really love these strawman dramas. “No US troops in Ukraine! I’ll defend our boys!” Thanks, but nobody from Ukraine asked. Pfizer, on the other hand, has a new vaccine to test out.

11 responses to “In Agreement”

  1. ed Avatar
    ed

    Are you also in agreement with DeSantis that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a mere territorial dispute?

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      No, of course, that’s stupid. This is DeSantis trying to siphon off the MAGAs, which is a dumb strategy.

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    Jack Bunce

    “…US soldiers who have failed in every military operation for generations…”
    Clarissa, the comment I have quoted above is insanely ignorant and slanderous. The last time US Soldiers failed was at Chosin, Korea. Since then, US Soldiers have won the battles and the polity and the politicians lost the wars. I was a US Soldier from 1961 to 1968 and we didn’t lose any military operations I was in! My son and my son-in-law were in after me and they never lost any military operations either. I have friends who were in Kosevo, don’t think we lost any military operations there either. You need to get out and actually meet some U.S soldiers present and past and listen to their stories before you ignorantly demean them.

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      Clarissa

      Thank you for your service and I apologize for giving any offence.

      Do you consider the Vietnam war as having been won? How about the war in Afghanistan? The war in Iraq?

      There seem to be a wide-ranging consensus in this country that these wars were catastrophic mistakes. One can talk about inept politicians but being routed out after 20 years of no achievement by a bunch of bearded savages… you know.

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        PaulS

        Military victories are very different from an occupation. The British were able to defeat the Boers in SA, but couldn’t keep a huge army deployed indefinitely and had to hand power back to the Boers a few years later.

        I suspect this is one reason why there is a lack of interest in the war in SA because any military result will be temporary depending on whether it is acceptable to the local people.

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        PMan

        The U.S. never lost a major battle in Vietnam and was forced by the government to fight with its hands tied behind its back. Iraq actually was won, but then Obama let it go to hell by prematurely pulling out the U.S. forces. Afghanistan was more complex as we were trying to create a democracy there. In terms of the ability to military smash an enemy in conventional warfare, the U.S. is top-of-line. It is the U.S. that has done a lot of the training of the Ukrainian troops which allowed them to fight so well from the start against the Russians. Where the U.S. has tended to make mistakes is in the nation-building nonsense we’ve been trying of late which needs to stop.

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          Clarissa

          You can’t build a nation for others. If people don’t want a nation-state, there’s nothing doing. And that’s the major difference between Ukraine and Iraq that many people aren’t seeing. Ukraine has a real, mature nation-state, which is what motivates the heroic defense of it by the people. Real patriotism comes from within. Nobody can create it for you.

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            cliff arroyo

            “major difference between Ukraine and Iraq ”

            Vietnam was (or was coalescing into) a nation state but the US was on the side trying to prevent it and keep it as a semi-colony…. which is why despite impressive military victories they never really won.
            I’ve read that if even a handful of American diplomats really understood Vietnamese national feeling/aspirations (less about communism and more about independence) the US might never have gotten involved.

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              methylethyl

              This is one of the things that struck me while there– among people I talked to, there is basically no hard feeling about the Americans or the war. They like Americans, they’re not huge fans of the Communist government, but at the same time they’re very patriotic– they don’t confuse the government with the nation– and there is a general feeling of… as much as people would like to give the current regime the boot and have something more representative, the war is still a fresh enough memory that nobody wants to do it again, and at least some people understand that western democratic forms wouldn’t actually work there. The main thing everybody agrees on is: we don’t want to be a subsidiary of China. “Trung hoa” (China, Chinese) is an insult. And everybody, whether they’re against the government or in the government, whether Party member or democratic agitator… they all know that prosperity is the way to stay out of China’s grasp. The result is a slow, jerky, decades-long movement away from actual communism, while hanging onto its forms and titles.

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            PaulS

            African countries mostly became independent because the colonizers left rather than any successful independence movements. This may have something to do with why they have been so dysfunctional.
            https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/lessons-of-independence-i

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              cliff arroyo

              “African countries mostly became independent because the colonizers left”

              The same point is made (more sensationalistically) at the beginning of the Mondo documentary “Africa, Addio” (I agree with just about every criticism leveled at it…. but it’s still one of the greatest documentaries ever made).
              Europe just…. left African countries at a time when none of them were remotely prepared for independence and the result was predicatably horrific….

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