Turned on the debate and saw Kamala baiting Trump very successfully on the utterly inane subject of his rallies and Trump wasting a brilliant opportunity to say that her “bipartisan immigration bill” is amnesty.
Then Trump veered into World War III and people eating cats instead of saying that the stupid “immigration bill” was amnesty. The word “amnesty” was not mentioned.
He’s losing badly at this point.
08:34 And now Trump is avoiding an explanation of how he will deport. “All over the world crime is down except here”? What the bloody ef is this anti-American crap? Not a word on how he will deport. Please observe. Not a word. Because he won’t bloody deport.
08:37 Yes, Kamala is beyond annoying. What a horrible voice.
08:38 Whatever Trump is saying is utterly incomprehensible to people who aren’t already passionate followers.
08:39 Kamala is outright lying about the SCOTUS decision. And Trump allows her to do it because he gets baited again.
08:40 The interviewers are very good. They are asking Kamala much harder questions than Trump is.
08:41 I think I’m going to stop watching soon because I’m feeling bad for Trump he’s being beaten up so bad.
08:44 Finally, Trump managed to squeeze in that Kamala is far-left. This should be central to his argument and he just gets baited into veering off into silliness.
08:45 Instead of alleviating the fears over January 6, Trump again veers off into… word soup. God, oh God.
08:49 Kamala is repeatng the “fine people” hoax. Will Trump manage to respond? And she’s repeating the “bloodbath” hoax.
08:50 Trump tried but failed to debunk both hoaxes. Unbelievable. What is he doing? He had a chance right there and he fumbled it.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
08:53 And now Trump is re-arguing the 2020 election which voters massively don’t want to relitigate. I just can’t.
08:56 Trump is praising the stupid poodle Orban. Lord have mercy on us in the coming age of far-left free-for-all that is now imminent because Trump chose not to prepare and is letting himself be manipulated.
09:00 OK, I bleed with Ukraine daily but Ukraine’s losses in the war are not in the millions. Let’s not exaggerate.
09:02 Harris is repeating egregious, stupid lies but will Trump even try to deny? Nope. Because she ends every statement with a provocation that makes him emotional and distracted.
09:03 Trump says true things but in such a garbled way that only somebody who’s very familiar with his rhetoric would understand. Harris lies but in such clear, easy to understand sentences that she sounds like she’s telling the truth. The number of absolute whoppers Harris rolled out in the first hour is extraordinary.
Conclusion: a slick, well-organized phony will always defeat a messy slacker. Harris clearly worked her butt off to prepare and she won. There’s a great lesson here: it’s OK to be mediocre as long as you are ready to work, work, work.
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“They’re eating out pets!!” – Trump
Yeah, she’s running circles around Trump.
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I know, man. It’s a drubbing to end all drubbings.
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I wish the ABC moderators would also ask tough questions to Kamala.
“Ashely Bobbit was unjustly killed” and once again Trump takes the bait. jeez.
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Kamala psychoanalyzing Donald during the debate is not something I was expecting. She’s coming off way more composed and presidential. Whoever prepared her did a really good job.
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She’s playing him like a piano. He’s not even trying to deny the egregious lies she’s rolling out.
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That’s how you “debate” him because he doesn’t debate. You can’t approach him like a normal politician.
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The good news for Trump is that barring a huge disaster, this probably won’t matter much.
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He made Kamala look strong. One’s got to try hard to produce such an effect. God, what a mess.
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“They threw him out of the campaign like a dog”
Trump just showing how much he misses Biden. Man, I laughed out loud, that was comical.
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And she didn’t get baited. Stayed right on point.
I deeply despise this woman and everything she stands for. Deeply, deeply. But she did exceptionally well. A well-deserved win. Good for her. And bad for all of us but that’s how things are.
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Framing herself as “the empathy candidate” was probably a good strategy but boy am I not the kind of person it appeals to. Makes me nauseous.
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I agree they should throw away the empathy angle. The joy has already been canned, it seems, because it didn’t jive with her tirades about the costs of food rising and people struggling to make ends meet.
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I find it hard to judge because what I want from a female politician often seems at odds with what other people want. I want a ruthless bitch.
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I’d love ruthless at this point. Strong, proud, patriotic. It shouldn’t be too much to ask.
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Is what you want from a male politician something other than a ruthless bastard (or some other male equivalent of “bitch”)?
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Not really, no. But there’s less pressure on male politicians to pretend to be sickly sweet.
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Trump couldn’t bring himself to say he supports Ukraine. Yes, it’s just words. But he can’t say it. He can’t say that Ukraine should win.
How do you reconcile that with him being pro-Ukraine in your opinion?
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yeah, that was an easy YES but he couldn’t even bring himself to lie about that. I’m now convinced he would hand Ukraine on a platter to Putin was he to become president.
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I never said he was “pro-Ukraine.” I don’t give a crap who’s pro what. I care about results. If he could drop the price of oil dramatically, that would hobble Russia like nothing else.
2,5 years of empty slogans, symbolic gestures and ‘I stand with Ukraine” moments – seriously, who cares any more?
The “pro-Ukraine” Biden destroyed the 2023 counteroffensive by leaking (or letting leak) Ukrainian plans to Russia. Trump could have mentioned it at the debate but he didn’t because he didn’t bloody prepare. He could have also mentioned that Biden finally delivered his Ukraine strategy to Congress. Three months late and classified, which is against what was agreed. Trump could have mentioned that but he didn’t because… Same as above.
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“I never said he was “pro-Ukraine.” I don’t give a crap who’s pro what. I care about results. If he could drop the price of oil dramatically, that would hobble Russia like nothing else.”
Credit where credit is due, oil prices are dropping and the USA is producing at record rate:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545
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I know, and it’s part of why I said that, on policy, Biden was a continuation of Trump in many ways.
Harris, however, is a radical leftist. I don’t believe she’ll stay in Biden’s groove because why would she so suddenly abandon who she’s always been?
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“Harris, however, is a radical leftist. I don’t believe she’ll stay in Biden’s groove because why would she so suddenly abandon who she’s always been?’
She didn’t get to where she is by being stupid. Cutting oil production would be very stupid.
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Depends on what the goal is.
One could say that bringing in tens of millions of illegals is stupid. But it’s not if it advances your goals.
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““pro-Ukraine” Biden destroyed the 2023 counteroffensive by leaking (or letting leak) Ukrainian plans to Russia”
Not to mention the point blank refusal to give proper air support… an offensive without air support is almost impossible.
There are definitely russian assets (or dumb fucks who don’t understand russia or how to deal with russia) in the state department.
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Trump was an idiot! Lol.
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And Kamala lied in the most egregious ways possible. Go lol yourself right into wherever this airheadedness leads.
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Well, lies and lies. Now Daniel Dale put the count at over 30 for Trump, and 1 for Harris (about how bad the economy was when he left office)–however, he also added that there were instances where Harris was “misleading” or “lacking in key context.”
We can go on about how not-so-impartial CNN is, but it raises an interesting point about the responsibility of the candidates, the responsibility of journalists, and our responsibility with regard to the truth. It leads me to a joke Freud tells in Wit and Its Relation to the Unconscious:
Two rival salesmen meet at a train station. “Where are you going today?” asks the first.
“To Minsk,” the rival answers.
“You bastard,” the first salesman cries, “You’re telling me you’re going to Minsk because you want me to think you’re really going to Pinsk. But I happen to know you really ARE going to Minsk. So why are you lying to me?!”
Freud asks: is it our responsibility to only tell the literal truth, or are we responsible for how our listener understands us? The mainstream media, for some time, has been “translating” (“sane-washing”) Trump’s more scattered answers–is that the truth? Or is the “scatter” the truth that we need to hear, even if we misunderstand it (President Drink Bleach, Fine people–I’m still not convinced about that one, I should add–, bloodbaths, etc.)?
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She lied so many times, I lost count.
My answer to Freud is that if we were responsible for how people understand our words, my whole field of study wouldn’t exist.
This new talking point about the media being pro-Trump is, honestly, so bizarre, I don’t know how to respond to it. But he didn’t manage to deny the lies Kamala proffered about him on stage, and that’s completely on him. He had a golden opportunity to say, “no, that’s not what I said” but he failed to do it. She’s guilty of being a liar and he’s guilty of being a disorganized, irresponsible person. It all stinks on both sides, and the voters end up losing.
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This was a bad debate for Trump, I did not even finish watching it. Trump threw the pro life voters under the bus and is not convincing on immigration, economy or anything else for that matter. Not the best strategy. Plus, I still remember 2020 – his handling of Covid and the summer riots. I am for sure not voting for Harris, but now I’m leaning toward not voting/voting for another party candidate. It is not clear there is a substantial enough difference between the two mainstream candidates that matters to me, so I may as well vote for someone else.
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He would’ve done better with better makeup and a nap. His ear looks perfect though!
Don’t worry, it’s not like debate performances matter for Trump. It’s hardly worse than Biden’s last performance and quite a few people said Hillary won her debates.
I’m sure JD Vance, JD from Yale will wipe out all of Tim’s Walz — with his words.
For the third party curious voters, are you considering voting for the third parties for the House and Senate and your state reps or is that unchanged?
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I will evaluate the 3rd party/independent candidates on a case by case basis based on the issues that matter to me. Or just stay home on an Election Day. That is an option as well.
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“are you considering voting for the third parties”
I’m not going to vote because I don’t live there, but if I did I could not in good conscience vote for either Trump or Harris. I would vote further down on the ticket and either leave the president slot blank or vote for one of the randos at the bottom of the ticker.
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Would like to offer a differing view. The Camel Toe has reclused herself from the media. The election still a bit away from center-stage. Trump needs to get this turtle out of her shell. Something like an angler puts a worm on his hook to catch dinner. That’s how I would describe the first debate.
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Yeah, the turtle came out of her shell and bit his head off.
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Should have gone with DeSantis.
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“Should have gone with DeSantis”
Now I’m feeling my inner black woman in hindsight: “I told you. What did I tell you? Didn’t I tell you? Cause I told ya. Mm hmm. And when did I tell you? A long time ago. And what did I say would happen when I told you? Exactly what just happened.”
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How so? General statements mean nothing without specific examples. Freshman English 101.
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Post ’48 Israel and dhimmi Arab refugee populations exist as but pawns on the political chess board of the Great Nation imperialist States domination of the Middle East, cut up into Spheres of Influence among these Great Powers. Propaganda which declares the conflict between Israel and Balestininas, just straight up propaganda. The ongoing conflict in the Middle East represents the loss of great power status of England France Russia and even the United State domination of the balance of power among the States of the Middle East.
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