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There were no Daniel Pennys on the train where Iryna Zarutska was murdered. People sat there indifferently while she bled to death.

Finally, two minutes after the stabbing, when it was already too late to save Iryna’s life, one man and one woman came up to try to stem the flow of blood. Others stood there and filmed. Or walked out indifferently.

The New York Times finally published a story about Iryna. It refers to her as white she her murderer as Black. There’s no honor for the victims even in death.

Here’s the guy filming the death:

I hope somebody identifies him.

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    Anonymous

    The way this happened out in the open is horrifying. People are conditioned to ignore the craziness going on around them.

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      Clarissa

      I don’t think they are ignoring it as much as enjoying. They were told their whole lives that their every problem is because of people who look like Iryna.

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        Anonymous

        I think you’re imagining things in this case.

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          Clarissa

          Did you hear what the murderer said after stabbing Iryna? It was not a random or motiveless crime.

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          1. ed Avatar
            ed

            yeah, the murderer was a psychotic maniac, doesn’t mean everybody else on the bus was.

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              Stringer Bell

              And what is the appropriate response to “psychotic maniacs?” Declare them unfit for trial, according to liberals like you.

              What should be an aggravating factor becomes a mitigating factor. A person who cannot control their impulses should absolutely be locked up forever.

              Same thing with violent crimes committed by the underaged. Like, if you kill someone when you’re 12 during a carjacking, I shudder to imagine what you’ll do when you grow up.

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                Anonymous

                mom taught EMH until retiring. Behavior problems. She could pretty much call it, in 4th grade, which ones would end up in jail for violent crime, which ones had a chance. Used to check the police blotter for her former students. Had this one kid– he’d been shot in the temple, point blank, by a friend, with a pellet gun. Pellet lodged in his brain, damaged something. She said he was dangerous, and should just be locked up right now, in 4th grade, because nothing good would come of it. Physiologically, no impulse control. Not really his fault either, but just no space between thinking and doing. When he finally got locked up it was for smashing an old lady’s head in to take her wallet. Predictable and preventable. Wasn’t the first time he’d got violent, just the first time he’d killed someone. But nobody wanted to lock him up for life because “he’s just a kid”.

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                Clarissa

                This guy avoided damaging himself with the knife. He’s capable of making a plan, carrying it out, explaining his motivation, and escaping. He’s agile, well-coordinated, he’s not freaking out or hitting his head against the wall.

                I see no evidence that he’s unwell, let alone a maniac.

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                Clarissa

                This guy avoided damaging himself with the knife. He’s capable of making a plan, carrying it out, explaining his motivation, and escaping. He’s agile, well-coordinated, he’s not freaking out or hitting his head against the wall.

                I see no evidence that he’s unwell, let alone a maniac.

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                Clarissa

                And here are the conspiracy theorists:

                https://x.com/tariqnasheed/status/1965549251641176312?t=LdjZusP_XzoURRvsEQeRrw&s=19

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                Anonymous

                “I see no evidence that he’s unwell, let alone a maniac.”

                Look again at the footage of him getting on the train. There’s like four minutes where he’s sitting in his seat, mostly edited out. But some of them helpfully zoom in. There is tons of evidence that he’s unwell. He’s got that twitch to him, the jerky walk, the weird facial expressions that say he’s having a conversation in his head with someone nobody else can see, and that someone isn’t nice.

                All of which points to: this guy should be locked up, not out roaming around. No way to know whether that’s schizo, childhood brain damage, or current drug use– functionally there’s not a lot of difference.

                The hell of it is, if you *dare* to point this out about, say, the local vagrants or the library zombies: that they are unpredictable, not possessed of normal self awareness or self control, and that this means they are dangerous to the public, then the Social Enforcement Squads emerge from under their rocks to lecture you about due process, compassion, your racism/bigotry, and how you can’t lock people up if they haven’t randomly murdered someone yet.

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              Clarissa

              If a white man stabbed a black girl and then said repeatedly and loudly that he killed her because she was black, nobody would have the slightest problem saying it was a racist murder. If a bunch of white people stared indifferently or filmed the black girl bleeding on the floor, we’d gear about how this is the ultimate in white supremacy for the next decade.

              Of course, it wouldn’t happen because this only ever goes in one direction. And the reason it does is because we can’t muster the courage to tell ourselves what’s happening.

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                PaulS

                There was a white man who shot people because they were black in SA and was given amnesty because his crimes were considered to be politically motivated. Really, we should be over this stuff by now.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strijdom_Square_massacre

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              Anonymous

              Not psychotic maniacs. Just the depraved “good people doing nothing” who allow evil to flourish.

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        ed

        Have you ever been in such a violent situation when someone got stabbed in the neck in front of you? You may think you would have done differently, but a large part of the population is just not ready to deal with such horror so unexpectedly.

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          Clarissa

          If people had the presence of mind to whip out their phones and start recording, then they definitely could have been helping Iryna instead.

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            Anonymous

            Are you following different sources? All the video I’ve seen so far was from surveillance on that train

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            Anonymous

            yeah, ditto here, I’ve seen footage from several angles, but it’s all ceiling-mounted unmoving security cams.

            I am curious about who released it and why, because mayor still seems to be pretending this wasn’t serious, and stabber was a victim somehow. Was it leaked?

            -ethyl

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              Clarissa

              I don’t know how to add images to comments but I’ll add the images of the guy filming in the post itself.

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                Anonymous

                I see what you’re talking about now. Thanks.

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          methylethyl

          Freeze response is a thing.

          But how many people were in that train car?

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        Anonymous

        (not the anon above)

        I have been asking myself this week, as a result of that video, if standing by when people need help is, in fact, Black Culture.

        For the sake of fairness, I did (regrettably) watch the unedited video. After an interminable pause, and after the girl falls out of the seat, two people come to try to help: a man, possibly black, and a white woman.

        But there were a lot of people in that train car just not… moving. The overwhelming majority of them were black, but 50% of responders were white? I get that a fair number of people have a freeze response to threat/crisis. But is it really 90% of everybody? No. That’s cultural conditioning.

        I think back to the Butler PA shooting incident, also filmed from every possible angle. Ten people were shot there, and you can see the people in the stands converging on the injured– not waiting for someone to tell them the coast is clear and everything is safe now. People helping the guy next to them. Lots of total strangers helping, because that’s the culture they’re from.

        And then there are the Charlotte train people. Whatever that culture is, it’s garbage and they need a better one.

        -ethyl

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          Clarissa

          It’s a terrible video. Those people are shits. Except for those two who did try to help. The fat woman next to Iryna clearly saw the whole thing. Her bovine indifference is horrifying. The dude who was standing there filming as she’s bleeding to death, I think there should be charges.

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            Anonymous

            “The dude who was standing there filming as she’s bleeding to death, I think there should be charges.”

            And what crime would you charge him with? There are NO “Good Samaritan” laws requiring people to risk their own lives by intervening in a risky situation to help strangers — or even requiring them to help a stranger when there’s no risk at all– NONE.

            You can try to shame them by calling them cowardly or callously indifferent to the situation — but that’s as far as it goes.

            Dreidel

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              methylethyl

              On my dad’s first trip to SE asia since his tour in the military, he was out in the countryside, headed to a rural beach with friends. The unpaved road passed through loose sand, and they met a couple of ladies struggling to push a motorbike out of deep sand, so of course he jumped down to help, they got the bike out of the sand, he (a veteran biker) gave them a tip on how to avoid getting stuck again (don’t slow down). Their response: “Oh, you’re American!” He was taken aback– like how did you know? Well, there are lots of roundeye tourists in SE Asia, Germans, Russians, Brits, and they all look alike of course, but only Americans stop to help.

              I hate to think we might be losing that.

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              oldcowboy3

              Dreidel

              The various Good Samaritan Acts in Canada are provincial legislation protecting people trying to help from legal claims should a victim be accidentally further harmed in rescue attempts.

              Human shock is a harsh reality, much of military training involves getting soldiers to automatically respond to orders during combat. And all first aid course training teach you to note and catch any partially alerted bystander to phone 911 while you are attempting first aid. Some people respond to a crisis, many do not, finding that alert bystander to help is not always easy.

              That said, the reaction in this event is horrifying, sure some were in shock, but some were alert and buggered off or worse took pictures.

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                Clarissa

                The guy who was filming instead of helping should be charged with accessory after the fact. There have been too many cases where these absolute ghouls film dying or wounded people. There are sometimes crowds of them with their stupid phones. As a society, we should comdemn such behavior and manifest the condemnation through laws. If a new article needs to be added to the criminal code, that’s fine. New reality spawns new types of crimes.

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                oldcowboy3

                No, we wish they would help, but one has to assist or at least counsel the criminal act itself or the subsequent escape of criminal to be charged. We do not charge news personnel with filming criminal acts nor should we.

                I worked near reserves for many years, people do indeed get hardened by violence, especially alcohol-fueled violence. That “culture” notably worsened with the input of drugs, the associated crime, and the development of government social “helpers” and funded racial grifters. In two generations they went fom poor but proud to helpless and angry.

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          cliff arroyo

          “standing by when people need help is, in fact, Black Culture”

          first: I’ve yet to see any evidence at all that most US Blacks care about Black crime. They care…. a _lot_ about Blacks being arrested by police (regardless of justification). But Black criminals are just not a concern whether they prey on whites or blacks, it’s just not an important issue. It is what it is.

          second: Leadership in the US Black community has suffered catastrophic ethical collapse in recent decades. As you pointed out, massive progress had been made in terms of lessening the importance of racial divisions for most people and then a series of grifters have done everything they could to ramp it up again.

          third: I’m reminded of communist China. Lots of videos showing people in distress and those nearby simply staring or ignoring them. Similar videos in Taiwan show people immediately rushing to help an old person who has collapsed in a store (for example). The CCP apparently went out of its way to inculcate passivity in the face of distress….. I’m wondering if the woke agenda is partly about doing the same in the US….

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            Anonymous

            You know, chickens will do the same. All fluffed up on their roost, raccoon gets in, slaughters the hen next to them: no reaction. Yah whatever. They don’t run, they don’t attack. They don’t even defend themselves. Anything that gets in at night can kill the whole flock, and some predators do.

            They’re not much better out and about during the day, but if there’s a rooster to sound the alarm they’ll at least hide from hawks.

            Inculcating people to do that… whatever that is, it isn’t progress.

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    ed

    I think this story is especially horrifying because barring never going out, there is almost nothing we can personally do to prevent such a crime. I think about it sometimes when I’m on a bus or train, the person behind me could just as easy stab me to death at any moment. We need society, the government, to keep these dangerous people away, and it failed miserably at its job in this case.

    I also really really don’t understand why a repeat violent offender was out on the street. There is basically nobody that I know that is ok with letting out violent offenders. So don’t understand why this piece of shit was out walking around freely.

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      Anonymous

      So… if that’s SOP for prosecutors these days… how many more of those guys are out roaming the streets?

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      Anonymous

      I would say we should be aware of who we are turning our backs to. We should be looking around and not at our phone. Moving away if we get a bad vibe. But beyond that if someone is determined to target you they will. You might avoid the random violence though.
      amanda

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        Clarissa

        We should probably be warning the newcomers but we are too embarrassed to say what it is we are warning them about.

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      Anonymous

      nobody is ok with….

      what is coming out as people look into this particular case, and Charlotte, and the judge responsible, is that there is a lot of money in letting criminals out of jail. There’s activist NGO money of the Soros/USAID genre pouring into projects that aim to “reduce jail populations” or whatever other euphemisms they have for it, and since they’re clearly not liquidating the prisoners, that means letting guys like this out early. Or not imprisoning them at all.

      In addition, the Judge herself has a stake in a rehab facility, so letting them out means shifting funding from a prison, which she makes no profit on, to a facility, where she’s on the take.

      Further rumor… not sure if true, says she *also* owns a fast food joint of some sort, and gets even more funding (government or philanthropic) for hiring ex-cons there. I am myself a fan of some second-chance employers, but this is clearly a conflict of interest if true.

      Money money money.

      How many other cities has this happened in? Is it time to do an audit of judges, prosecutors, and every other public employee in the justice system?

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        Anonymous

        Earlier this year, in my state they released a murder-cannibal because he was taking his meds or some such. Wish I was making this up…

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/ct-man-accused-cannibalism-murder-granted-conditional-release/3504935/%3famp=1

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          Clarissa

          Exactly like in Russia. They also released a cannibal last year. They also sent him to war but against another country and not their own population. At least, until he comes back from the war. Then he’ll be free to eat his neighbors.

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            cliff arroyo

            “he’ll be free to eat his neighbors”

            Many such cases! Which is why there’s a law against reporting crimes by returning soldiers (and a social campaign to tell women not to complain if husbands returning from the war beat them up).

            Such great, conservative christian values!

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      This reply is to ed’s statement that “{Ed} really really don’t understand why a repeat violent offender was out on the street…out walking around freely.”

      A major reason was the dramatic change in the mid-Nineteen Seventies nation-wide practice of keeping dangerous, potentially violent mentally ill patients incarcerated and medicated in multiple state psychiatric hospitals across the country. I was a psychiatrist at one such facility in California, and I was required to go to court periodically to testify as to whether certain patients required on-going incarceration or could be safely released, and followed with outpatient care. This system had worked well for many years, protecting the general public ang giving the patients the care they needed.

      But in the Seventies some patient rights advocates started a campaign claiming that the patients were being unfairly locked up, and that they could be safely treated on a heavily monitored outpatient basis, This idea appealed to the states, who cold save $$$$$$$$$$$$ by replacing the hospitals with a much-cheaper series of outpatient clinics, where the patients would report to voluntarily on a periodic basis to be maintained on their medication and be re-evaluated,

      But the plan was a major flop, because most of the severely ill patients didn’t believe that they were mentally ill or that they needed medication, so they simply never showed up for their outpatient appointments. After their last medication doses wore off, they went back to being potentially violent disturbed individuals walking around among the public. When they acted out, judges could then either send them to prison for short terms, or keep letting them free, like the situation today.

      The solution would be for the states to reopen their psychiatric hospitals, but don’t hold your breath for that.

      Dreidel

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        methylethyl

        My parents worked for one of the halfway houses ‘releasing’ people from the institutions, back in the 70s. Not for long, but out of all the people they were responsible for– and they were young and earnest and trying hard to actually help– they only ever had one patient who legit made it to independence on the outside. The rest… probably ended up as homeless vagrants. I think it’s one of the things that shoved them out of being hippies, over the line into the political right.

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        cliff arroyo

        ” patient rights advocates started a campaign claiming that the patients were being unfairly locked up”

        The cover story….

        “states, who cold save $$$$$$$$$$$$”

        The real reason.

        “the plan was a major flop”

        This might be seen as one of the first major policy achievements of neoliberalism… find a constituency that most people don’t care about and stop spending any money on them. Since the neoliberal mentality is incapable or unwilling to look at anything in terms of broader systems… failure doesn’t register.

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    Demotrash

    Hearing otherwise from someone who watched the full video, but unwilling to watch it myself

    https://x.com/bx_on_x/status/1965495135535333816

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    Stringer Bell

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    Stringer Bell

    The book takes its title from an incident in Milwaukee on July 4th, 2011. On that day, a crowd of nearly 100 blacks attacked a group of white teenagers on a picnic, leading to the beating of one white girl. A black woman in the crowd was recorded saying, “Oh, white girl bleed a lot” as blood poured from the poor victim’s face.

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      Clarissa

      I’ve been wanting to read that book for a long time. But the cheapest copy is $250 on Amazon. Somebody should release a new edition. It will be a mega bestseller.

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        Stringer Bell

        It’s funny how liberals absolutely celebrate the idea of “banned books.” It’s such a core part of their identity. Every library, every Barnes & Nobles will have a banned books display. And it’ll be tepid shit like To kill a Mockingbird and books that every library owns in the thousands and that every middle schooler in the country is assigned to read.

        Meanwhile, the books that would actually test their principles are out of print, banned, or cost hundreds of dollars for used copies online. Everything about liberals is fake fake fake.

        Try finding this in your local library. An actual serious work. Available for the small price of $500 on ebay.

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          Clarissa

          They are so used to being in control that they perceive any reluctance to loudly endorsing their favorite manuals of ideology as banning. On our side, we have stacks of actually banned books. And we don’t whine about it.

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            Anonymous

            It’s hard to make a cute display out of rare books that cost $350 and up. Particularly when the “OMG we love banned books!” crowd would immediately come along and set fire to it.

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    Stringer Bell

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      Clarissa

      I sat in a traffic jam out of St Louis for 1,5 hours. The GPS was going nuts, telling me to drive off to a completely empty exit. I’m sure everybody in that jam had their GPS app go nuts, signaling the easy shortcut.

      But nobody budged. We all sat stony-faced, ignoring the exit. We all knew why and where it led. There was a strange feeling of solidarity on that road.

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        Stringer Bell

        There have been navigation apps designed to avoid high crime areas, all which have been shut down because “Community leaders argued that labeling entire neighborhoods as high-crime zones could deter business activity, dissuade visitors, and ultimately harm local economies.”

        Google is not allowed to give you safe walking directions. You as a local know the area, but god save a tourist who happened to walk through a “vibrant” neighborhood.

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        Stringer Bell

        Found it.

        Klimes argues that this bias would inadvertently divert foot traffic from low-income streets, effectively taking tax dollars away from struggling communities and funneling them into wealthier areas.

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          Clarissa

          On purpose?? These bastards do it on purpose?

          Now I’ve truly seen it all. I’m really angry.

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            Stringer Bell

            Today has been brutal for me. I have to teach a class in a couple of hours but I can’t stop thinking about this murder.

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              Clarissa

              I know, this is shattering. We have to show up and keep everything running after being hit in the gut with this kind of horror. I’ve been a wreck for two days.

              Sending good thoughts your way!

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    Stringer Bell

    Trump is also responsible.

    “The most sweeping package of criminal justice reform in a generation”

    Officially titled the Formerly Incarcerated Reenter Society Transformed Safely Transitioning Every Person Act, or simply the First Step Act, this bipartisan law was passed by the 115th U.S. Congress and signed by President Trump on December 21, 2018.

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      Clarissa

      I hated, hated, hated his “criminal justice reform.” It was such a pathetic sop to all the worst people who wouldn’t vote for him anyway. It was a big reason I didn’t want to vote for him the second time. We already have a party that releases criminals. Who needs another one?

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        Stringer Bell

        I had forgotten about it. The only thing I remember was Kim Kardashian getting Trump to pardon absolute monsters. Thought it was a one-time thing. Didn’t realize he actually passed a whole bill, releasing thousands of felons in the wild.

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    methylethyl

    For all them asking “How does a guy like that keep getting let out?”

    https://x.com/ParkerThayer/status/1965538675606872450

    Soros funding. An organized, well-funded, well-staffed effort in multiple cities. Not a conspiracy theory: it’s well documented.

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    Stringer Bell

    There is audio of him speaking in prison after this incident and it’s all gibberish and I would like everyone to realize that he’s faking his so-called insanity. And the proof is right here. He was aware enough to have prepared his “defense” already, right after he killed her.

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      Anonymous

      (expletive goes here)

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      Anonymous

      (I picked a bad week to cut back on swearing)

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      Clarissa

      I knew from the start. When she first sits in front of him, he has this smirk. It’s the sanest, most evil smirk. He knew exactly what he was planning to do and why.

      That guy is not crazy. He’s a stone-cold, calculated killer.

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        Maybe not crazy. Probably possessed. But we don’t believe in that anymore.

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          Clarissa

          Evil. He’s truly evil. That’s not illness. It’s evil that walks around us in human form.

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