An Article on AfD

From an excellent long article on AfD by Christopher Caldwell:

Harald Martenstein, a conservative columnist for Welt and hardly an AfD backer, took part in a debate in Hamburg last winter over whether to ban the AfD, and shocked the audience by contemptuously throwing the question back at his mostly progressive audience. “You know that you are not trying to prevent the Fourth Reich, but only to eliminate your political competition,” Martenstein said. “It would be child’s play to keep the AfD down. All you would have to do is tackle a few problems that are real problems.”

https://firstthings.com/

It’s not paywalled, so you can read the whole thing. And it’s exactly what I say. If anybody in Germany really thinks that AfD is dangerous, defeating it would be extremely easy. All you need to do is listen to the people who want less migration, deportations, and cheap energy. But everybody to the left of AfD, not only in Germany but in Western Europe at large, clearly decided that everything should be sacrificed to the cause of mass migration. The economy, women’s rights, gay rights, the welfare state: all of it has been thrown away to get more Muslim migrants.

People say that Alice Weidel is being hypocritical, leading a far-right political party while being a lesbian. But she explained that in a speech that I listened to in the original German. She said that you can’t have your queer lifestyle while welcoming millions of people from a culture that despises gays. I don’t like Wiedel, but I agree. I strongly believe that it is a great and wonderful achievement of Western civilization that gay people should be able to live their lives unmolested and unpersecuted. It is also a great and wonderful achievement that women should be able to be out in public unmolested and unbothered. That this all of a sudden became a far-right position is weird, but that’s how things are.

17 responses to “An Article on AfD”

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    Anonymous

    Sadly, they may be exchanging one kind of migration for another. Slovakia is learning that the hard way right now. People voted in the right-wing government in the last elections. The government then started to recruit migrant workers in India and Uzbekistan. The claim is that there is not enough people to work in the automobile manufacturing sector. I suspect these are consequences of ties with Russia as this mirrors influx/recruitment of Indian workers to Russia. For the sake of Germany, I hope that they will not end up with recruitment centers in India to bring workers needed to work in their industrial plants…

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    v07

    Cheap energy in the German context means Russian energy. So you probably would not approve of other political parties fixing THAT.

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    1. Clarissa Avatar

      No, it means nuclear. The war on nuclear energy needs to stop. Can anybody explain to me how the obsessive hatred of nuclear energy somehow became the green approach?

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      1. cliff arroyo Avatar

        “an anybody explain to me how the obsessive hatred of nuclear energy somehow became the green approach?”

        I think it especially dates back to the 1980s when Germans were terrified of nuclear war between the US and USSR and Greens/leftists created a whole subculture of nuclear fearmongering…

        Andrew Hammel wrote a long book about the book ‘the Cloud’ (die Wolke) by Gudrun Pausewang full of all sorts of nonsense about fallout from a nuclear power accident…

        https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20221101-the-cloud-the-nuclear-novel-that-shaped-germany

        Maybe it would be a good book for you to read for your German?

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        1. Clarissa Avatar

          I’m sure this is part of it, but I believe there’s something else. This deliberate avoidance of something that could actually end dependence on fossil fuels exists because the ultimate goal is not to end dependence on fossil fuels. It’s degrowth. The idea is to flatten the standard of living globally. This means that the standard of living in developed countries has to go down several notches.

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            Anonymous

            The reason people are afraid of nuclear power is psychological. When I was a child, I experienced the deep fear of adults following Chernobyl. this was a very big thing here. You were much closer to it then, of course, but maybe because your society was less open you did not experience this in the same way? As you say, cultural difference are real and German speaking culture is perhaps a bit more OCD than other cultures about invisible toxins.
            Radioactivity is very hard for people to deal with and I think it triggers very deep and irrational fears. In Germany there was a huge drama about where to deposit nuclear waste, how to transport it etc.

            If you really believe there is a “global conspiracy to flatten the standard of living”,, then who is conspiring? Is my neighbour with her big “stop nuclear power” flag part of this conspiracy? i really think this flag is a long term consequence of Chernobyl, of German contamination OCD and also of the way how there was a grass roots protest against nuclear power in the 80ies which really left a lasting impression on a lot of people who are now in power. These people feel very happy that they have finally won their war against nuclear and they are not flexible enough mentally to realize that by now climate change is the much bigger risk.

            Politicians are not conspiring either, they just do what the majority of the people want in this respect.

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            1. Clarissa Avatar

              55% of Germans favor returning to nuclear power, versus 36% opposed. Of the 55%, 22% want the recently closed reactors restarted and 32% want Germany to build new nuclear plants.

              55 in favor over 36 against is a huge electoral advantage. The party that listens to what the voters want will win and rightfully so.

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              1. Clarissa Avatar

                All I’m suggesting in these posts on AfD is that in a democracy political parties should only exist to do the will of the voters. German voters overwhelmingly want an end to mass migration and a return to nuclear energy. They will vote for AfD because nobody else is even promising any of this. Any complaints about AfD – a party I don’t like because they are Putinoid – should start with the question of why the other parties aren’t listening to voters.

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                Anonymous

                Oh I didn’t know that a majority of Germans wants nuclear back by now! Thanks for the information, that is a good sign.
                And yeah I kind of agree with you. I am very much opposed to AfD for myriad reasons, I don’t think they are only stupid about Russia but stupid about many other things too. But it would be good if Germany had a more normal right-wing party. The more you suppress your shadow the stronger it gets and AfD is clearly the shadow of the Germans. The entire thing is dangerous and seems increasingly explosive.

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          2. cliff arroyo Avatar

            “part of it, but I believe there’s something else”

            Probably a lot of things, but if you go back in time, Germany lost confidence in its right to exist after WWII (like most of WWII to a greater or lesser degree).

            Andrew Hammel, again, pointed out that in discussions with Germans about (im)migration there’s a kind of masochism… again and again they express the idea (often indirectly) that migration that helps the country is somehow wrong, so letting in a bunch of Arab or Gypsy clans to wage mob warfare in their hospitals is morally virtuous in a way that recruiting smart people who can and will integrate into the country…. isn’t.

            I think there’s something similar with energy, remember the idealization/fetishization of nature that runs through German culture and the robotic way they love to talk about how their energy policy will be saved by ‘renewables’ (ignoring the fact that if Germany went completely carbon neutral it wouldn’t make a rat’s ass worth of difference globally). And ignoring the fact that scalable ‘renewables’ are probably decades away.

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            1. Clarissa Avatar

              I feel so bad for Germans. It’s such a wonderful country and they are pissing it away.

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          oldcowboy3

          Actually much of it came from the Club Of Rome’s 1972 The Limits to Growth. The hysteria never ends, the Greta the Green Goblin is just the latest ;-D

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          1. Clarissa Avatar

            Yes, exactly. The Club of Rome has a lot to answer for.

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      2. oldcowboy3 Avatar
        oldcowboy3

        No, it makes no sense, nuclear and natural gas are the two most “green” energy sources available. But public trust has been damaged by nuclear incidents such as Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima, and the relentless “carbon/climate” nonsense around all carbon sources including natural gas.

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      3. v07 Avatar
        v07

        In theory yes, but rebuilding nuclear is a long process. And Russian hydrocarbons are a much quicker fix, provided that Ukraine gets abandoned in the name of doing business with Russia. What the AfD is more likely to do?

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        1. Clarissa Avatar

          Between 5 and 8 reactors in Germany can be reactivated. All that’s needed is a political decision.

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    Anonymous

    A lot of it stems from a movie called The China Syndrome.

    Walnut

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