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>Your account of medical are in the U.S.S.R. is in many ways similar to that in China back in the 70s and 80s. One major difference is that hospitals made it perfectly clear to parents that there was zero nursing care/watching the patients overnight. This meant that every time I had to stay overnight in the hospital (pretty much once a month for bronchitis), one of my parents would have to stay overnight with me to make sure I didn't fall of the bed, I had water if I was thirsty, I didn't die in the middle of the night. Also, I'd never heard of a child being punched in the face during a tonsillectomy. On the other hand, I don't believe anesthesia was routinely used for tonsillectomies. But it was at least "free," right? Now the medical situation in China is about the same, only people have to pay money for it.
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>In Poland in 1976 I got really good care for a severe sinus infection. The physician spent far more time with me than would have been the case in the U. S. But I did give her a gift. If I recall correctly, it weas a bottle of French Cognac.I know Poland was not part of the U. S. S. R. I don't know how different they were in this regard.
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>But you are an American. Of course, you would have been treated like royalty. Try being a regular socialist camp citizen. 🙂
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>I get a lot of conflicting views about the USSR when I consult authoritative sources. Some say life was great in that women were freer to seek employment. The downside was that women were not allowed in the high level industry jobs, which men occupied. I also read that unemployment was virtually nonexistent for most men because of high demand for workers, and due to this fact, men were given a lot of leeway in terms of misbehaving at work. This went on until the 80s and 90s, when the state went bust and the only jobs left were the less prestigious "sales" and service jobs, which women took, but men were less willing to take. My thinking is the wages must have been pretty bad if unemployment was low during the Soviet regime. However, my readings on healthcare in the Soviet Union completely match your description. A lack of evidenced-based practice in many cases. Like giving injections of vitamins when oral supplements would do. Giving archaic drugs like actovegin (cow serum extract, WTH?), and giving strange concoctions through IV that I personally have NEVER encountered in any textbook I've read so far or in hospitals I've had clinicals at. A lot of this stuff continues to today, in parts of Russia at least. I don't know about the rest of the USSR.
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>The problem is that you cannot judge Soviet reality using American concepts. Unempoyment, female freedom to seek jobs – such concepts had no place in the Soviet reality.YYes, all women worked. Everybody worked. Because not working was punished by a jail sentence.There was no offical unemployment. People were given jobs. Of course, nobody consulted them where and what those jobs would be. The government says you go to work in Siberia on graduation from college? So you do.Salaries people got for those "jobs" were less than any unemployment benefit anywhere in the world. My father who has a PhD in Linguistics got less in a month than a pair of jeans cost. Less than a pair of boots. That's what Soviet lack of unemployment translated into: most people had to make do on a miserable amount of money with no prospects of improvement until the day theu retired. Then, things would get a lot worse.
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>Thanks for clarifying. It makes a lot more sense in that light…than the glorification I see in a lot of movies and some books.
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>Wow, I'm so sorry that that happened to you (and your family). "The nice, kind doctors wouldn't let me leave because apparently they weren't done with me just yet." Very afraid to what that might have meant for you. : (
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>Everything I've seen and read validates what you say, Clarissa. I lived in Russia in 92-93 and 95-96. I got there six months after the Soviet Union collapsed, and everything still ran pretty much the same way during those years, including the health care system. I also lived for a shorter period in Armenia, and I lived in Albania and Yugoslavia (neither part of the USSR, but with similar health care systems). I had a number of exposures to the system, and it was truly terrible. In one case, one of the local people who worked for me was hospitalized. When we visited him, we found, in addition to all the other rotten conditions, that the hypodermic needles used on him were never replaced. After he got injections, they were simply placed on the window ledge and re-used the next time. We managed to get a small supply of new ones for him, but it was hard to do.I've also heard horror stories, directly from the victims (not "patients") about dental work of all kinds being done on children with no anesthesia at all because it wasn't available (unless you had money and knew someone).Anyone who holds up the former Soviet Union or other communist countries of that era as examples of how socialized medicine (or anything else) is superior is just ignorant.
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>estoy de acuerdo con usted clarissa. i am agree with you clarissa
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>A Spanish-speaking Voroshilov?I love my blog. 🙂
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>No hay necesidad de traducir, Voroshilov. Puede dejar sus comentarios en castellano. Aqui lo entendemos muy bien. 🙂
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>Si Clarissa!, Gracias!
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[…] in lieu of a salary, an access to a doctor who would humiliate me and treat me like crap (possibly even beat me), an access to the sad, pathetic joke of a Soviet education, the knowledge that I could always […]
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I had my tonsils taken out out in ’83-’84 as well and they didn’t use anesthesia, either. Simply got tied up to a chair that was bolted down to the floor and had them taken out while fully conscious. Looks like that was thet standard procedure in the USSR. If, by some luck, they were supposed to use anesthesiaat your hospital, then perhaps they told you that they “confused me with some other little girl who was allergic to anaesthetics,” in order not to use it and sell it on the black market.
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