Ukraine and NATO

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Clarissa

May 21, 2014

I’m completely opposed to Ukraine seeking admittance to NATO. We will gain nothing and lose a lot by joining the alliance.

There is zero likelihood that NATO soldiers will ever come to Ukraine to defend it from Russia. Unless Russians cross the border waving Russian flags and screaming, “We are the Russian army, Putin sent us to invade you!”, NATO will always have the excuse that whatever is happening is an internal conflict of Ukraine and NATO doesn’t resolve internal conflicts.

Of course, the moment the US invades Iraq, Somalia, Syria or whomever is next, Ukraine will be expected to participate as a member of NATO.

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6 responses to “Ukraine and NATO”

Ed123

May 21, 2014

I also don’t think NATO wants Ukraine. No country is willing to fight Russia over Ukraine.

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1. Clarissa
  
  May 21, 2014
  
  Yes, NATO wants Ukraine because the whole goal of NATO is help the US fight wars in the Middle East and Africa. And the more idiots agree to participate in that under the illusion NATO has any other purpose than that, the better for the US.
  
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JE

May 21, 2014

This isn’t true. The US never demanded NATO participation in Iraq.

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David Bellamy

May 22, 2014

I am not convinced that you are right about this. I am concerned that the confrontation going on over Ukraine may escalate into another war which will make the two big wars of the first half of the last century seem minor by comparison.

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1. Clarissa
  
  May 22, 2014
  
  Economic conditions have changed dramatically since then. There are not enough hungry people in Europe or US for a war to break out. Well-fed people who have their TVs and their Internet don’t readily go to war, as evidenced by the general reluctance of all but the most lumpenized Ukrainians to engage in military action.
  
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el

August 9, 2014

http://cat-mucius.livejournal.com/40180.html
(First link in the linked post is in English.)

Already in 2008:

In the April 4 NATO-Russia Council Summit, Putin… implicitly challenged the territorial integrity of Ukraine, suggesting that Ukraine was an artificial creation sewn together from territory of Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, and especially Russia in
the aftermath of the Second World War. He stated, “the Crimea was simply given to Ukraine by a decision of the Politburo of the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee. There haven’t even been any state procedures regarding transfer of the territory, since we take a very calm and responsible approach to the problem.” Putin
claimed that 90 percent of inhabitants of the Crimea are Russian, 17 out of 45 million Ukrainian citizens are Russian, and that Ukraine gained enormous amounts of its territory from the east and south at the expense of Russia.

He added, “if we add in the NATO question and other problems, the very existence of the State could find itself under threat.” Putin further questioned old borders and the worthiness of political leadership in neighboring countries during his August 9 Vladikavkahz speech. These Russian challenges to the territorial integrity of neighboring states are inconsistent with the NATO-Russia Founding Act, the Rome Declaration, and take on profound new meaning in light of Russian military actions in
Georgia.

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