I don’t know who this Lena Dunham individual is, but the fit of prissiness she managed to provoke in many people is hilarious.
Jokes aside, it is pretty horrifying that an entire society should be that ignorant about human sexuality. The only reason these sad characters are attacking Dunham is guilt and shame over their own sexual needs. They read her book, are reminded of their own viciously repressed sexuality, and freak. The anxiety becomes overwhelming and they lash out. The goal of their persecution of Dunham is to convince the inner censor that they are good boys and girls whose sexuality is completely controlled by social exigences.
The article is funny as hell. Do read if you need a distraction from yesterday’s electoral disaster.
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The link in this post, “but the fit of prissiness she managed to provoke in many people is hilarious.” does not work at all. It does not even show a URL at the bottom of my browser window when I point to it.
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I apologize, my mistake. I changed it and now it works.
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I find her really disturbing. If she were a guy, then no debate would even be taking place.
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I have no idea who she is. Obviously some media personality, a TV actress, whatever. But the tone of the discussions is that of alarmed hens in a henhouse. Hugely hilarious.
Are you back from F.? When can you talk?
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I don’t think prissy is the right word to describe the negative reactions to Lena Dunham. I am rather staid in my sexual life, being 75 years old and all, but I identify with her as a thinking, embodied female. What her critics really have against her is that she is wildly successful but has not had to sell out to get where she’s gotten. She’s white, affluent and in New York, but there are lots of similarly well situated people who have never gotten anywhere, because, unlike her, they are not brilliant. Credit where credit is due.
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“I am rather staid in my sexual life, being 75 years old and all, but I identify with her as a thinking, embodied female. What her critics really have against her is that she is wildly successful but has not had to sell out to get where she’s gotten. She’s white, affluent and in New York, but there are lots of similarly well situated people who have never gotten anywhere, because, unlike her, they are not brilliant.”
– Yes! Wow, so there is an area where even you and I can agree, eh? The world is full of miracles. 🙂
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Yes. I agree with sister. I have no problem with children exploring their sexuality and know it’s a normal part of childhood. But she was 6 years older than her sister. So her sister was 1; she was 7. That’s a huge difference. And she talks about “spreading open” her sister’s vagina? I don’t know. It seems abusive to me and makes me suspect that perhaps Dunham herself was the victim of sexual abuse.
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People, don’t start scaring me now.
Children are hypersexual. There are two kinds of people in the world: the ones who remember that about their own childhoods and the ones who don’t. Those who don’t are pretty much hopeless. They have repressed the memory to service the inner Daddy and Mommy.
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I know children are sexual (don’t know if I would describe them as hypersexual). The sexual aspect of it is fine. I mostly find the age difference between the two girls disturbing. If this story was about two 7 years olds, it would be one thing. But it’s not. The one year old couldn’t consent to Lena’s exploration. Something seems very “off” about this story to me.
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Children of that age don’t understand or care about consent. When I was 6, I entertained myself by running with a pack of other girls after boys, grabbing them, holding them down and pulling off their pants. If I do this today, that would be sexual assault. But I hope nobody suggests incarceration children for these games.
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For me the problem is not with prissiness, but with equality. Either we are equally prissy towards everyone or equally not prissy. As long as the argument “but I was just a weird boy, I did not mean it” is not tolerated, so should the argument “but I was just a weird girl”…
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I have never denied that both boys and girls are equally hypersexual in childhood. So I’m not sure who is the target of this reproach. 🙂
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Whoever that was who found the root of the problem discussed in the opening post and the link it contained as “prissiness”. 🙂
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“Whoever that was who found the root of the problem discussed in the opening post and the link it contained as “prissiness”.”
– My friend, you tend to be cryptic sometimes. 🙂
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“Children of that age don’t understand or care about consent. When I was 6, I entertained myself by running with a pack of other girls after boys, grabbing them, holding them down and pulling off their pants.”
I agree that consent is complicated between children. But the story you describe was presumably with boys that were around your age. So there was some sort of equality there.
1 year olds are really small and delicate compared to a 7 year old. I certainly don’t think that Dunham should be prosecuted for child abuse. She was a child herself. But, as I said in a previous post, it makes me think that perhaps she experienced some type of sexual abuse herself. Or maybe not. But something about this story just seems off to me.
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If Dunham had hit puberty by the time this occurred, the age difference would be crucial. But I can’t imagine anybody starting puberty at 7 even in this well – fed society.
Human beings happen to be sexual creatures. Fetuses experience orgasms inside their mother’s wombs. Small children all learn to masturbate by the age of five. The curiosity about sex organs appears by the age of 3, etc.
Now, the sexuality is very different and serves different purposes during different stages. This is why a sex act between two 15-year olds is no big deal while a sex act between people aged 15 and 30 is a crime.
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I don’t know who she is either but she is on the news all the time. The most disturbing part to me is that she says she did everything a child molester would do and makes light out of it. I don’t get the humour.
I am back tonight!!!
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Let’s talk tonight about my debut as a job recruiter! The debut failed completely but I’m preparing for 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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“The most disturbing part to me is that she says she did everything a child molester would do and makes light out of it.”
– She was 7. 🙂
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This wasn’t just an isolated incident when she was 7, apparently http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/on-lena-dunham/
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The best part of the linked article are the comments. They are the best ever. This one for instant: “The typo was pertinent to the incident quoted where she looked at her one year old sister’s vulva. The masturbation, however, as I understand it (from reputable sources that aren’t a right wing news source!), took place at around the age of seventeen.”
Priceless stuff. Of course, there is a really tragic side to this. People don’t event want to stop to think what the intensive perusal of “reputable sources” about somebody else’s decade-old masturbation tells about their own problems.
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“I haven’t read the book. However, people who I trust who have assure me of this.” Are they doing this on purpose? 🙂 🙂
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What is especially curious that this moral panic is occurring within the same society whose representatives were arguing very aggressively on this blog that it is absolutely normal and even wonderful for a small child to sleep next to his or her father and observe his erect penis. And that it is absolutely normal and wonderful for a father to take naked showers with his 9-year-old daughter. What conclusion can we draw from this? None other that this is a society that accepts the existence of children’s sexuality only when it serves the sexual needs of their parents.
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She was 7 but it continued until she was 17, so yes she had indeed hit puberty, which is what makes it disturbing.
I just got back – trying to get klubnikis to go to bed!
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Well, you have discussed Ms. Dunham before, if we turn the wayback machine to October 2012:
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Do you know how many posts I have written since then and how many media personalities were mentioned in them? 🙂
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I’d like to know how Lena Dunham’s sister feels about all of this. I would hate to have something like that written about me.
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She’s discussed this before. Lena outed her sister (who is gay) to her parents without her consent, and said that she didn’t appreciate how her sister was using her personal life as fodder for her material and oversharing details about *her* sexuality and *her* life.
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Their sibling rivalry is lamentable if not unusual. However, what is really disturbing is the overwhelming reaction to this narrative she published. It isn’t evidence of anything good or positive. I believe it would be better if we had an honest discussion of this without hiding behind the completely irrelevant discussions of feminism and race.
The whole debate gives me the same unpleasant feeling as the reaction to my review of fifty Shades of Grey. I tried talking about sex only to encounter the repetitive and weird response of “But relationships.”
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I don’t understand any of this. I’m not that bright.
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It’s not brightness that is needed to understand this. 🙂
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No, perhaps dullness is required.
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