More Terror in Paris

January 9, 2015January 9, 2015 ~ Clarissa

I’m hearing that the terrorists who killed Charlie Hebdo cartoonists are trying to escape from police. One of them seems to have taken hostages inside a Jewish deli.

I’m sure that now we will hear how the hostages don’t deserve compassion because Israel had it coming and Jews don’t make cute, fluffy victims we could all legitimately care about.

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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 09:36

There are many different terrorists. They spring up like mushrooms after a rain nowadays. Not sure about which ones you’re talking. 😦

Paris kosher supermarket’s terrorists:

“Reuters reported that the gunman took six hostages, mostly women and children and that police confimed one person was seriously wounded. AFP reported that the suspect was identified as Amedy Coulibaly, a 32-year-old man, and that police were also searching for Hayat Boumeddiene, a 26-year-old woman. According to French newspaper Le Monde, the two were former partners.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4613271,00.html

Previous terrorists – The Kouachi brothers:

“Thousands of French security forces have mobilized to find Cherif and Said Kouachi after Wednesday’s attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices in central Paris, which killed 12 people.
[…] Cherif Kouachi, 32, was sentenced to 18 months in prison after being convicted of terrorism charges in 2008 for helping funnel fighters to Iraq’s insurgency. He said he was outraged at the torture of Iraqi inmates at the US prison at Abu Ghraib near Baghdad and “really believed in the idea” of fighting the US-led coalition in Iraq.
[…] Both were also on the US no-fly list, a senior US counterterrorism official said. ”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4613191,00.html

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1. Clarissa says:
  
  January 9, 2015 at 10:01
  
  Maybe these are different terrorists. The US News website where I got this from is confusing me.
  
  If these are not the same ones, then things are worse than I thought.
  
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  1. Stille (@aperfectbalance) says:
    
    January 9, 2015 at 10:32
    
    There were 3 different terrorists and 2 different hostage situations. All 3 terrorists are dead now, and the hostages are alive.
    
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2. Clarissa says:
  
  January 9, 2015 at 10:03
  
  Muslim Fundamentalists are “former partners”? Yes, Islam obviously means so much to them. Freaks.
  
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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 09:41

From the article about kosher supermarket’s terrorists (in case ynet doesn’t work for you again):

The French Interior Ministry denied media reports that two people were killed when two gunmen took hostages Friday in a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris.
[…] occurred on the eve of the Jewish Sabbath, when the supermarket was likely to have been packed with shoppers preparing for Shabbat.
[…] The events near Paris’ Porte de Vincennes took place as two suspects in France’s deadliest terror attack in decades were cornered near Charles de Gaulle airport. Police said that the gunman was a member of the same jihadist group as the two suspects in the attack at weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo.
France24 reported that the gunman at the supermarket was the same man who is thought to have shot dead a policewoman in Paris on Thursday before fleeing into the Metro and successfully evading police.
Jewish sites have previously been targets for terrorist attacks in France. In 2012, a gunman on a motorbike shot and killed a teacher and three children at a Jewish school in Toulouse. The gunman, a 23-year-old Mohammed Merah, a Frenchman of Algerian descent said he attacked the school because “the Jews kill our brothers and sisters in Palestine.”

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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 09:46

The two brothers say they want to die as martyrs.

A serious question: would burying them (and Palestinian terrorists who f.e. explode in Israeli buses) with pig meat / skin help? After all, religious terrorists believe they won’t get into Paradise this way. Or will it only turn more moderate (or ‘moderate’) Muslims into terrorists?

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1. Clarissa says:
  
  January 9, 2015 at 10:05
  
  These people are obviously not religious. These are the superstitions of the peasants of Sahara, not of men and women with Kalashnikovs and ex-lovers by the bunch.
  
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2. Alexander says:
  
  January 9, 2015 at 10:17
  
  I continue to be dumbfounded at this idea that waving a piece of bacon will have any impact on terrorism whatsoever.
  
  The chaps who rammed planes into the world trade center were apparently boozing and sexing it up the night before. But none of matters, because they went out in the jihad bringing the world one step closer to dar al Islam. 72 Virgins for everyone!
  
  So after you’re dead, some infidel attacks your corpse. Big deal. If anything it just proves that the infidel is horrible and you were totally in the right to want to kill them all.
  
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  1. Clarissa says:
    
    January 9, 2015 at 10:21
    
    Alexander: exactly! These terrorists want us to observe strict religious morality. But they are not planning to join us in it.
    
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  2. Stringer Bell says:
    
    January 9, 2015 at 10:23
    
    “I continue to be dumbfounded at this idea that waving a piece of bacon will have any impact on terrorism whatsoever.”
    
    Don’t mind el, she’s kinda stupid.
    
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    1. Clarissa says:
      
      January 9, 2015 at 10:35
      
      I know this is a tense moment, but let’s not start insulting each other because it’s hardly productive.
      
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    2. Alexander says:
      
      January 9, 2015 at 10:58
      
      El is not alone in asking along this line of reasoning. The right in the United States treats pork like the second coming of El Cid and Charlemagne, and the left treats it like Hitler himself has risen from hell and it should be destroyed in any place a muslim might even one day think about considering going to.
      
      It would be unfair to attribute any sort of characteristic to el simply for bringing it up. But it should likewise be stated in no uncertain terms that it is ridiculous if one stops and really thinks about it. It’s the “crust is the healthiest part of the bread” of international affairs – obviously true and believed by everyone until you parse it out, and then you wonder why you ever even considered it!
      
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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 10:36

\ These terrorists want us to observe strict religious morality. But they are not planning to join us in it.

🙂

Very funny, when you put it this way.

In Israel, many Palestinian terrorists do observe it. I think there are several different kinds of Muslim terrorists: Israel has mainly one kind, while Europe – mainly another.

Though I heard about a fetus being found in the remains of one teenage female suicide-bomber (a Pelestinian girl who exploded in Israel). But, again, it most likely has been something different – rape a girl and then tell her she may either cover her family’s name with shame (and be honor killed) or become a hero of Palestinian people.

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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 12:04

Just read:

Fortunately, the response to this week’s attacks has been admirable. The left-wing French newspaper, Libération, which I have often criticized, has bravely given the magazine space in its office; the next edition of Charlie Hebdo will print 1 million copies, 25 times its normal run. And in Britain, the Guardian Media Group has announced a donation of £100,000 to Charlie Hebdo. This stands in marked contrast to the pusillanimity displayed by George W. Bush during the Danish cartoon crisis of 2006, and by Barack Obama in 2012, when he criticized Charlie Hebdo for being offensive to Muslim sentiment.
http://www.city-journal.org/2015/eon0109td.html

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J. Otto Pohl says:

January 9, 2015 at 13:10

An interesting article on the trial in the US of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. It is being predicted that if he is perceived as White he will get a lesser sentence than if he is not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/08/dzhokhar-tsarnae%E2%80%8Bv-was-black-in-russia-is-he-white-in-america/

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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 13:52

Really touching, amazing story connected to the editor of the journal which was before “Charlie Hebdo”, “L’hebdo Hara-kiri” (in Russian)
http://cook.livejournal.com/274806.html

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el says:

January 9, 2015 at 13:59

One of commentors adds regarding Каванна:

Лучшая (с моей точки зрения) книга Каванна, это, конечно, не Les Russcoffs, а Les Ritals – книга о его детстве в итальянском предместье Парижа, он сын неграмотного итальянского каменщика и француженки из Морвана (плато в Бургундии). Он сумел получить образование сверх обязательной тогда только начальной школы исключительно за счёт способностей и силы устремления. Оттуда абсолютно ясно становится, что нет никакой “жестокой, просоленной, проспиртованной души безжалостного шута и циника”, а есть тонкий, превосходно умеющий описать чувства и мысли себя и других человек, который – это не следует из самой книги, конечно, она про детство – взял на себя в дальнейшем, много позже, классическую роль шута. “Никогда никому не сказал таких слов преданности и любви”? Нет, конечно. Он их сказал сначала своим родителям.
Это сочетание нежности и роли шута очень трудно понять со стороны, и эта трудность особенно ясна сегодня: французская смеховая культура пусть и описана Бахтиным, это описание не было понято большинством даже тех, кто Бахтина читал. Чтобы её понять, надо быть внутри – лучше не только французской литературы, начиная с Рабле и Вийона через Просветителей к Брассансу и Брелю, но и просто Франции. Та единодушная реакция, которую я вижу с позавчерашнего дня и которую неверно интерпретируют со стороны как исключительно поддержку свободы слова, на самом деле она выражает ощущение принадлежности к культуре, где ничто не запрещено осмеивать и где очень мало “сакрального”, если не считать, в частности, вот эту самую свободу смеха и свободу нежности. Собственно, чем отличается Брассанс? Только пропорцией этих двух ролей.
Я не отрицаю, что Les Russcoffs прекрасная книга. Кстати, история Маши описана не в одной книге, а в двух – Les Russcoffs и Maria. Но всё же первая книга о детстве лучше.

Возможно, это менее ясно в переводе. Первую книгу очень трудно перевести, в ней, скажем, отец говорит на очень итальянском французском, который я не смог бы воспроизвести по-русски. В ней вообще предполагается, что читатель заранее много знает – но французы действительно имеют о своём прошлом тот уровень представления, который, если бы существовал в России, радикально изменил бы всё в ней происходящее. У французов есть история.

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musteryou says:

January 9, 2015 at 15:40

• French special forces stormed both the Dammartin-en-Goële printworks and a kosher supermarket in Vincennes, Paris, trading fire with the gunmen and throwing flashbang grenades after standoffs that lasted for hours. One hostage escaped unharmed in Dammartin-en-Goële, and police managed to free more than a dozen from the grocery.

• Four hostages were killed and four wounded in the supermarket in Paris, where Amedy Coulibaly held civilians captive and demanded police allow the Kouachi brothers go free. Authorities believe Coulibaly and an accomplice killed a policewoman Thursday in southern France.

• French president Francois Hollande addressed the nation from the Elysée, congratulating police and saying the nation must not give in to such a “terrifying antisemitic attack” like the one on the grocery. “We are a free nation that does not give in,” he said. “We carry an ideal that is greater than us.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/09/charlie-hebdo-manhunt-kouachi-terrorist-links-live-updates

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el says:

January 10, 2015 at 02:12

A survey last year from the European Jewish Congress and Tel Aviv University found that France had more violent anti-semitic incidents in 2013 than any other country in the world. Jews were the target of 40 per cent of all racist crimes in France in 2013 – even though they comprise less than 1 per cent of the population. Attacks on Jews have risen sevenfold since the 1990s.
[…] The number expected to leave this year for Israel was estimated at over 10,000 – and that was before today’s events. And that is just to Israel. Many are coming to Britain as part of the wider French exodus under President Hollande.
[…] more recently synagogues have firebombed and Jewish areas attacked by mobs. Almost of all these attacks have been carried out by Muslims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11335980/Antisemitism-in-France-the-exodus-has-begun.html

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1. Clarissa says:
  
  January 10, 2015 at 11:01
  
  Is there any doubt that Marine Le Pen will be France ‘s next president?
  
  That’s a horrible prospect.
  
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  1. el says:
    
    January 10, 2015 at 11:35
    
    \ Is there any doubt that Marine Le Pen will be France ‘s next president?
    That’s a horrible prospect.
    
    Because those who attack Jews vote for her? Most of those attacks are by Muslims, not by French-French, as I’ve understood.
    Or because attacks on not Jews will make French pay attention for the first time?
    
    What will she do, in your opinion? Will her being a president lead to more attacks on Jews, this time by not Muslims? Meanwhile, many French Jews turned to Israel in order to immigrate after the last attack.
    
    It isn’t limited to France either. I heard that a (Jewish) relative of one of the Israelis killed in the Munich massacre has recently been attacked in Berlin by Muslims.
    
    Latest news:
    
    “Terrorist’s wife escaped country a week before kosher supermarket attack
    As French security forces search country for her, Le Figaro reports Hayat Boumeddiene boarded a flight to Madrid on January 2, from where she is believed to have escaped to either Turkey or Syria.”
    
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    1. Clarissa says:
      
      January 10, 2015 at 11:58
      
      Le Pen us buddy – buddy with Putin. This is two huge nuclear powers scheming against “the degenerate Western values.” And that’s not a nice prospect.
      
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Jones says:

January 10, 2015 at 02:59

How badly I wanted that to read, “People inside the Jewish deli have taken the terrorists hostage” …

“OH, BUT YOU WERE SOME BAD MEN A MINUTE AGO …” 🙂

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el says:

January 10, 2015 at 05:59

3 male terrorists have been killed, but the female terrorist is still hiding somewhere.
“What started as a hunt for two terror suspects grew into something worse – fears of a nest of terrorists that could strike again in the heart of Paris.”

Now it’s time for nuclear news:

Report: Assad building nuclear facility in Homs
Hezbollah reportedly guarding new nuclear facility, being built with help of North Koreans; site said to be attempt to build facility allegedly destroyed by Israel in 2007 attack.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4613451,00.html

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el says:

January 10, 2015 at 14:40

What do you think about the suggestions of this Israeli columnist?

QUOTE (in case you can’t access the site)
There have been numerous murderous terrorist attacks in recent years on French citizens by Muslim fanatics who have returned from the Middle East. It was also apparent that jihad would continue to flow at an increasing rate from France and other European countries to the Middle East – and from there back to France and the rest of Europe, once the jihadists had been trained and brainwashed and left devoid of any tolerance for the values enshrined in Western democracies.
[…]
Mohammed Merah – who in 2012 murdered four Jews at a Jewish school in Toulouse and killed a French soldier – was the writing on the wall. France is also involved, along with the United States, in action against radical Islam in the Middle East and Africa, and this makes it a target for revenge attacks by jihadists. In light of this, France should have long operated like the United States, making legislative changes to allow monitoring of all forms, including wiretapping and electronic surveillance of its citizens, even if it touched on individual rights to a certain degree.

The issue of how to create a balance between protecting human rights and personal security and the human right to privacy and freedom of expression and movement is a difficult one. I think that today, even in France or Germany, it is already clear that there is a need to bring this issue to a head, to come to the correct conclusion that human life is of supreme value and then pass laws that would make even these European democracies into defensive democracies, as prescribed by Aharon Barak, the current president of the Israeli Supreme Court. If the French had done so beforehand, they would certainly have tracked down the Kouachi brothers who perpetrated the massacre at Charlie Hebdo magazine.

Said Kouachi had been in Yemen, most probably training with the al-Qaeda ranks there. His older brother Cherif was jailed for recruiting Muslims to fight with al-Qaeda in Syria, and had tried to go there himself. But both were removed from the French security services’ watch list in the last two years. Why? The French security services have limited resources while there was enormous potential for Muslim terrorism. Explain this in the Elysee Palace and the French Interior Ministry.

But such an explanation would in fact be no less than an admission of culpability. Not only was the writing was on the wall, and they should have acted accordingly and allocated resources, but the threat had been realized and was clear to the Europeans already in 2013, when the appearance of Islamic State made the problem an acute one that demanded urgent attention.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4613399,00.html

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1. Clarissa says:
  
  January 10, 2015 at 15:19
  
  The argument is weak and lacking in logic. How would wiretapping innocent citizens help to prevent this massacre? It was already known that these people had terrorist connections. No new knowledge was needed. It doesn’t sound in the least that anybody was prevented from gathering information here.
  
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  1. Stringer Bell says:
    
    January 10, 2015 at 15:33
    
    “The argument is weak and lacking in logic.”
    
    She’s drawn towards those argument so naturally, though. It’s as if she’s trained herself to view people who think and look differently from her as not human, not worthy of basic liberties. Oh wait..
    
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    1. Clarissa says:
      
      January 10, 2015 at 15:45
      
      The worst thing we can now do is dismantle the democratic liberties to supposedly defend democratic liberties. The best response is to keep defending freedom of expression, religion, association, etc in the face of ALL threats to them.
      
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      1. el says:
        
        January 10, 2015 at 15:52
        
        \ The worst thing we can now do is dismantle the democratic liberties to supposedly defend democratic liberties. The best response is to keep defending freedom of expression, religion, association, etc in the face of ALL threats to them.
        
        Israel has those freedoms, despite wiretapping.
        
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        Clarissa says:
        
        January 10, 2015 at 15:54
        
        It also has the sweetest sugar and the sunniest sun in the world. 🙂
        
        This is kindly humor on my part.
        
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        el says:
        
        January 10, 2015 at 15:59
        
        \ It also has the sweetest sugar and the sunniest sun in the world.
        
        Already several days we have horrible weather: cold, snow in Jerusalem, it’s raining now. 😦
        
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        Clarissa says:
        
        January 10, 2015 at 17:33
        
        You call that horrible weather?? I’d slaughter for something like that. I just arrived in the abnormally warm St Louis where there is no trace of snow. Maybe I should have gone to Jerusalem.
        
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el says:

January 10, 2015 at 15:02

Found a new columnist you may like:

The forces of darkness are winning
Op-ed: Jihadi extremism is becoming more powerful and the free world is simply not coping; the far-right is not the answer, but neither is surrender.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4613254,00.html

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el says:

January 10, 2015 at 15:26

Минута молчания во Франции : саботаж школьников

Многие старшеклассники в районах, где арабское население преобладает, во время минуты молчания выразили свое несогласие с тем, что расстрелянных карикатуристов почитают как героев. Многие отказывались участвовать в мероприятии.

Учителя сообщают на фейсбуке услышанное от учеников :
“Нельзя смеяться над чужими религиями.”
. “Нормально, что люди мстят за оскорбление”,
“Моя мама сказала, что карикатуристы это заслужили”
“Я за тех, кто убивали”
“Я не хочу поминать этих убитых”.

В твиттере начал активно ходить новый хаштег – ” Я не Шарли” (#JenesuispasCharlie).

В лицее Поль Элюар в Сен-Дени в пятницу ученики подложили в учительскую коробку, там были элементы взрывного устройства и записка “Я не Шарли”.

В начальной !!! школе там же 80 процентов учеников не захотели в участвовать минуте молчания.

Ясно, что дети говорят в слух то, что взрослые – их родители – не решаются высказывать открыто, понимая, что это наказуемо.

http://tutuskania.livejournal.com/1761058.html

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1. Clarissa says:
  
  January 10, 2015 at 15:41
  
  That’s exactly what I blogged about two minutes ago! This makes me want to vomit. In the meantime, Hollande is fellating Putin like it’s his favorite thing to do. Well, come to think of it, it just might be.
  
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  1. el says:
    
    January 10, 2015 at 15:57
    
    \ That’s exactly what I blogged about two minutes ago! This makes me want to vomit.
    
    Do you mean her position “Нельзя героизировать карикатуристов” which I haven’t quoted? I was more worried by the school children’s reactions.
    
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    1. Clarissa says:
      
      January 10, 2015 at 17:32
      
      The children are just a projection of the parents. And the parents are doing what the TV tells them to. Stupid sheep.
      
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el says:

January 10, 2015 at 17:45

\ The children are just a projection of the parents. And the parents are doing what the TV tells them to. Stupid sheep.

I doubt their Muslim parents are influenced by French TV.

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1. Clarissa says:
  
  January 10, 2015 at 17:53
  
  I’m sorry, I’m responding to the wrong comment. I was talking about the Russians.
  
  I haven’t slept tonight and I’m off my game.
  
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