Russia = ISIS

Russia is ISIS that is 140,000,000 strong with oil and nukes. 

If people were less obsessed with Islam, they’d see how similar the two formations are and how identical their motivation is.

20 thoughts on “Russia = ISIS

  1. ???

    ISIS has a habit of publically beheading people that it doesn’t agree with, or hostages who have failed to be a useful bargaining chip. I know there are strong suggestions that Putin and co. bump off people who oppose the regime in some way, but I don’t see them beheading people and posting the act on the internet.

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    1. Russia is waging a war right now in a neighboring country. Haven’t you heard of that? The videos of Ukrainians being slaughtered or tortured by Russians abound. Just yesterday, Russians slaughtered 3 peaceful civilians in my native city of Kharkiv. Ten more were wounded and one of them, a teenager, died today of his wounds. And today a Ukrainian was buried after being tortured by Russians for day. They cut off his ears before killing him. Haven’t heard of that either.

      Have you, at least, heard of Nadiya Savchenko, a pilot who was kidnapped in Ukraine and is now slowly and very publicly killed by the Russians? All of this is posted on the Internet.

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      1. “I mean, surely Ukraine once was Russia, or at least part of it. ”

        • No, it never was. Why do you pontificate about things if you are so ignorant on the subject. Ukraine never was part of Russia. Has the US ever been part of England? Has Mexico ever been part of Spain?

        Man, try to educate yourself or something.

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        1. (This comment seems to be referring to something I posted on my own blog).

          Both nations were once British and Spanish colonies respectively (at least the original 13 states in the former case), the descendents of the colonies still live there today, and have left their mark on the language and culture of those countries to this day. So I suppose in some ways those countries were “part of” the others. (I don’t suggest that America is the same thing as “England” of course, as England is different from the other nations of the United Kingdom, Scotland, Wales and Ireland- I suppose this is a better comparison for what you are suggesting- even given the fact that there has been considerable overlap between the modern nations in ancient history- talking about the Kievan Rus’ might as well be talking of the ancient Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of Bernicia and later Northumbria, say- of little relevance to the modern day nations that exist).

          Of course these places have pre-existing native populations which are culturally radically different from the colonizers.

          You mention other countries on my blog. Spain and Portugal seem to have been distinct entities since at least the 12th century (barring a short personal union of the monarchy), Canada and the US… well, again contain a mixture of former British and French colonies amongst others, and share at least one language the same. Rather different things.

          Thinking about it, rather proves what you said elsewhere about the nation state being little more than an irrational shared myth.

          “Why do you pontificate about things if you are so ignorant on the subject.” I wasn’t. I was musing on a situation that I thought I had made clear I was confused about. I suppose I should have thought better considering many of the Baltic states were part of the Russian Empire for quite a long while, which I was well aware of, but none of those places to my knowledge had anything to do with the Kievan Rus’ in far earlier times. Serves me right for thinking “oh, I must update my blog” in the middle of the night simply because was half-listening to Question Time [a political debate TV show on the BBC].” And yes, I need to read more about the history and the present-day situation, which I hope to when I get round to making time.

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          1. “So I suppose in some ways those countries were “part of” the others.”

            • Mexico was part of the Spanish empire but not part of Spain. The US was part of the British Empire but not part of England. More than anything, I dislike vagueness and carelessness with terminology.

            “Of course these places have pre-existing native populations which are culturally radically different from the colonizers.”

            • Exactly like Ukraine and Russia.

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            1. “More than anything, I dislike vagueness and carelessness with terminology.”

              Fair enough.

              I guess the point I was trying to make was that there were certain things Russia and Ukraine shared historically that the Baltics did not, as far as I knew (to do with the Kievan Rus’ again, though I don’t know how accurate or relevant such an assumption is), and moreover have more recent ties the Baltics do not. It’s like the example of England and Scotland- both had areas which were part of ancient Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, both have associations in more recent history that still retain some relevance. The difference being perhaps that Scotland is still not an independent nation, and has not suffered anything like the Holodomor.

              Whether that point has any merit seems not to matter when it comes to the fact that the Ukraine and the Baltics are two different kettles of fish. Ukraine is not part of NATO, or the EU, but the Baltics are both- and I very much doubt Russia would feel as confident in getting away with whatever it actually is doing in Ukraine. I doubt Putin is quite that stupid. Furthermore, Ukraine seems to have been in the Russian sphere of influence far more recently than the Baltics have been, and seem like a higher priority. And therefore I wonder if some persons are not trying to stoke up tensions more than necessary by being paranoid over the possibility.

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              1. “Furthermore, Ukraine seems to have been in the Russian sphere of influence far more recently than the Baltics have been”

                • You seem like an intelligent person. Please don’t repeat these very silly turns of phrase such as ‘sphere of influence” concocted by Putin for the most stupid parts of his electorate. (Which, admittedly, is like 98% of all Russians.)

                “And therefore I wonder if some persons are not trying to stoke up tensions more than necessary by being paranoid over the possibility.”

                • Are you aware that members of Russian parliament are now routinely making speeches calling the government of Russia to nuke Berlin, the US, the UK? Are you aware that a day does not pass without a possibility of nuking the US being discussed in the Russian media? Are you aware that Putin officially told Russians that they are fighting against NATO forces in Ukraine? Are you aware that two days ago Russians marched all over Russia in massive manifestations carrying slogans “Die, America!”? Are you aware of any of this?

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      2. I am well aware that there is conflict going on in the Ukraine, and Russia is heavily suspected of being behind the so-called “pro-Russian rebel” movements which have founded breakaway republics. I will admit I need to follow the news a lot more than I have lately with regards to specific incidents (the only ones I can recall since the formation of these “republics” and the annexation of Crimea are the shooting down of MH17 and all the recent negotiations that have utterly failed to bring any lasting ceasefire).

        It doesn’t really surprise me that a lot of crap goes on during war/conflict situations- I mean Western forces have not been altogether immune from it. Coalition forces torturing Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib. A British soldier murdering a Taliban prisoner. Numerous reports of drone strikes that kill civilians, with accusations of very loose definitions over what is considered a “suspected terrorist”. Not to mention things like Gitmo and “extraordinary rendition” which unlike the first two incidents seem to have happened with the complete complicity of states. (Does this make the US or UK anything like ISIS, simply because atrocities are committed?)

        Even in the Ukraine I have heard accusations of skulduggery on both sides. Including hints of such from someone with relatives on the ground in Ukraine. I wonder, then, if it is no more than the usual geopolitical chess games that so far as I can see have been going on since time immemorial.

        But nowhere have I heard of the sort of effectively genocidal activities ISIS is carrying out, and very few incidents of atrocity videos making the news (which might support your claim that people are too obsessed with Islam). I also associate ISIS with the radical group currently engaging in the formation of a supposed new caliphate in parts of Iraq and Syria, not all of the residents of that region, including many Sunnis. Granted, I wonder how many have not either been killed or fled at this moment that are not at least sympathetic. I consider Russia an established country which comprises all citizens of the same, not simply the Putin loyalists of which there are bound to be at least a few left.

        It might have been a little more helpful for your readers if your post had gone into a little more detail about why you consider Russia and ISIS, which is liable to make some of us wonder “what?”

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        1. “I am well aware that there is conflict going on in the Ukraine, and Russia is heavily suspected of being behind the so-called “pro-Russian rebel” movements which have founded breakaway republics.”

          • There is no “conflict in Ukraine” and there are no “pro-Russian rebels.” Russia invaded Ukraine and is waging a war against Ukraine on Ukrainian territory.

          “But nowhere have I heard of the sort of effectively genocidal activities ISIS is carrying out, and very few incidents of atrocity videos making the news”

          • Because it’s convenient to Western politicians to pretend nothing is happening and that there is some vague conflict with some vaguely defined rebels. Discussing what is really happening will necessitate recognizing that Western leaders have broken Budapest accords and violated international law.

          “It might have been a little more helpful for your readers if your post had gone into a little more detail about why you consider Russia and ISIS, which is liable to make some of us wonder “what?””

          • This is a good question. Both ISIS and Russia are engaging in very showy acts of extreme cruelty coupled with outrageous anti-Western propaganda. There is mounting evidence that Russia participates in funding and arming ISIS. Both groups don’t recognize national borders, international law, the existing international order, both call the West degenerate and degraded, both espouse extremely conservative policies, both have placed a captured pilot in a cage and are slowly and very showily killing him / her. Both have made it very clear that their main enemy is the US and that they will use any means at their disposal to bring it down. The only difference so far is that Russia is threatening to use nuclear strikes while ISIS still isn’t.

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          1. “There is no “conflict in Ukraine” and there are no “pro-Russian rebels.” Russia invaded Ukraine and is waging a war against Ukraine on Ukrainian territory. ”

            Reading some mainstream sources you might be forgiven for thinking otherwise. Though even then there have been indications there have been Russians supporting the “rebels” or that Russian black ops have been part of it.

            Would be interesting if I could find anything that definitively links the so-called “rebels” with Russia in any greater way than simply being proxies.

            Otherwise, I’ll view it how I’ve always viewed it- a proxy war between Russia and the EU/possibly the US to establish political dominance over the country, with many EU countries keeping quiet about it due to their reliance on Russian gas imports, and neither side directly involved (barring the annexation of Crimea).

            “Because it’s convenient to Western politicians to pretend nothing is happening and that there is some vague conflict with some vaguely defined rebels. Discussing what is really happening will necessitate recognizing that Western leaders have broken Budapest accords and violated international law.”

            If so, it certainly says little for most of the Western media’s alleged independence, including the BBC. [Is it any wonder I don’t entirely trust pretty much any of what I hear on the subject?*] It also says very little for Western governments, although quite understandable in the case of parts of continental Europe such as Germany that has been dependent on Russian fuel imports IIRC.

            In what way have the Western leaders themselves violated the Budapest accords? Simply by allowing Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine?

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            1. “Reading some mainstream sources you might be forgiven for thinking otherwise. Though even then there have been indications there have been Russians supporting the “rebels” or that Russian black ops have been part of it.”

              • This is last week’s stage and last week’s information. Now it has already been accepted by everybody that Russian troops are fighting in Ukraine. They are now doing it completely openly, wearing their uniforms and insignia.

              “Would be interesting if I could find anything that definitively links the so-called “rebels” with Russia in any greater way than simply being proxies.”

              • The leaders of the “rebels” are Russian citizens with Russian passports and Russian military ranks. What more proof do you need? 🙂 Here is the most famous one of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin I thought this was very widely known but thank you for pointing out that it isn’t.

              “If so, it certainly says little for most of the Western media’s alleged independence, including the BBC. [Is it any wonder I don’t entirely trust pretty much any of what I hear on the subject?*] It also says very little for Western governments, although quite understandable in the case of parts of continental Europe such as Germany that has been dependent on Russian fuel imports IIRC.”

              • Exactly.

              “In what way have the Western leaders themselves violated the Budapest accords? Simply by allowing Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine?”

              • Exactly. See how fast we reached agreement? This is what I call a productive discussion.

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  2. \ both have placed a captured pilot in a cage and are slowly and very showily killing him / her.

    ISIS burned captured Jordanian pilot alive, so it was quite fast. And released video of it. Haven’t you heard?

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    1. “ISIS burned captured Jordanian pilot alive, so it was quite fast.”

      • Not for him, I’m sure. Nadiya is being killed more slowly but these are not crucial differences.

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  3. “You seem like an intelligent person. Please don’t repeat these very silly turns of phrase such as ‘sphere of influence” concocted by Putin for the most stupid parts of his electorate. (Which, admittedly, is like 98% of all Russians.)”

    To be honest I was not aware Putin had concocted the phrase or even where I picked it up (though possibly hanging around the questionable parts of the internet or watching too much RT out of curiosity could have done it); however, it seems accurate to describe what seems to have been the situation as regards a less powerful state allied to a more powerful one, which might serve the more powerful one’s ends most. What else was Ukraine (or at least its old corrupt regime) before Ukranians decided hey wanted to develop closer ties with the West?

    “Are you aware that members of Russian parliament are now routinely making speeches calling the government of Russia to nuke Berlin, the US, the UK? Are you aware that a day does not pass without a possibility of nuking the US being discussed in the Russian media? Are you aware that Putin officially told Russians that they are fighting against NATO forces in Ukraine? Are you aware that two days ago Russians marched all over Russia in massive manifestations carrying slogans “Die, America!”? Are you aware of any of this?”

    Not as such, but I am aware Russian planes have been doing a lot of flying over British territory of late, and apparently this is actual bombers not just surveillance aircraft.

    However, from what have seen of Putin, he seems like a rational actor, and one ought to assume that unless proven otherwise. This is often assumed even of the Kims of North Korea and they make a heck of a lot of bluster despite the fact that everyone in the know realises they have no actual capability of actually striking America with nukes and and instigating an conflict on their part would be suicidal. The only difference with Russia is it has the ability to back up its threats in principle- that part is no joke. But the suicidal part probably is. If Putin really wants to start WW3, then it is going to be awfully costly and, given both Russia and multiple NATO members (who under Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty would be bound to intervene, as an attack on one NATO member is considred as an attack on all) are nuclear powers, then it potentially could be suicidal and world-devastating, depending on what the actual nuclear capabilities of the various nations actually are these days and how prepared they are to use them. So, whilst I am sure reasonable precautions to defend ourselves or fellow NATO members are perfectly sensible, some of the alarmist language coming out of at least one British politician towards the back end of last week was not. Putin’s Russia seems to be doing what it thinks it can get away with- attacking parts of a non-NATO member in order to recoup its recent losses.

    In short, Putin might be a horrible piece of work, powerful and corrupt, but I doubt he’s that stupid. The threat is certainly potentially real, but I imagine much of the rest is just designed to whip up favour among the Russian electorate you allege is stupid, to make the regime seem important. I could be wrong.

    (The only possibility I could see of further provocations happening is if the resulting war would be strictly in a regional theatre, a bit like Korea or Vietnam, which is possible.)

    (And if we’re into comparisons with ISIS, I once came across a supposed map that claimed they were aiming to take over everything that is or was ever part of the “Muslim world”- including Spain, I kid you not- within five years.)

    Thanks for the evidence of Russian involvement, BTW.

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    1. “And if we’re into comparisons with ISIS, I once came across a supposed map that claimed they were aiming to take over everything that is or was ever part of the “Muslim world”- including Spain, I kid you not- within five years”

      • The desire to include Spain is not in the least surprising. They are trying to recreate the Caliphate of Cordoba, which was the pinnacle of the Muslim civilization and was centered precisely in the Muslim Spain. Here is a post on Muslim Spain: https://clarissasblog.com/2011/03/07/two-trends-in-islam/

      And another one: https://clarissasblog.com/2014/10/24/the-muslim-spain-part-i/

      “Not as such, but I am aware Russian planes have been doing a lot of flying over British territory of late, and apparently this is actual bombers not just surveillance aircraft.”

      • Exactly.

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