The Eternal Eleven

Isn’t it funny how it’s always 11? It’s been two decades of always and only 11. I mean, what are the odds?

The odds are probably also 11. In 11 million.

20 thoughts on “The Eternal Eleven

  1. Kind of makes sense to me that no administration has done any mass deportations of people. If they did that, I think we’d have food shortages and other serious problems.

    To me, it seems an open secret that these immigrants are a source of vital cheap labor without which we would be very screwed. I guess it’s also not good to make them legal, then they’d have to be paid a proper wage with proper labor protections.

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    1. WE won’t be screwed. But the rich people who exploit them will make less money, that’s true. These rich people are privatizing the profits from mass migration and socializing the costs. You and I pay for the downside while they pocket the entirety of the profit.

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      1. By the way, this comment about how limiting illegal immigration would increase produce prices is exactly what Trump reportedly said to explain why he was going to betray his #1 campaign promise and increase immigration.

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        1. And he would have been right about that. Driving through California’s central valley, eastern Washington state, Idaho, etc. you notice how many Latino farm workers there are in places you would have expected to be completely white.

          Sure, this benefits rich people, but you would be wrong in saying it doesn’t benefit middle class and low-income people as well. The first to be affected by increasing prices are low-income and middle classes. These increases don’t touch the rich.

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          1. Are you willing at least to consider that this might be a huge lie we were sold to support a horrible, atrocious, inhuman practice?

            US produce is horrid. Probably the worst in the world. Extremely overpriced, tastes like plastic, has no aroma. The idea that you need to destroy several countries to make such expensive, uneatable crap is really weird. Everybody on the planet is doing it better without exploiting migrants.

            I live for vegetables and fruit but unfortunately I haven’t tasted any in years. What’s sold in this country is. . . in Ukraine we wouldn’t feed it to pigs.

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            1. And by the way, in Canada the produce they actually grow there and don’t import from California is better in quality. No exploited migrants, cold climate, and somehow they are managing to grow plants that don’t taste like cellophane.

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    2. ” immigrants are a source of vital cheap labor”

      I’m always amazed at how the case in favor of maintaining illegal immigration simultaneously revolves around two mutually contradictory ideas:

      inspiration talk about them coming for a ‘better life’

      dehumanizing talk about them as ‘cheap labor’ – as if they were a natural resource to be mined out of the soil and sent to well-off consumers

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    1. Have you bought groceries lately? The prices are already up just as another million of illegal immigrants have been brought here this year.

      This fantasy that you absolutely need slave labor to be able to have produce is strangely successful among the humanitarian left. I wonder how come produce is of enormously better quality yet 20 times cheaper somewhere like Ukraine. How do they manage to do it without 30 million voiceless slaves?

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      1. Because Ukraine is not a high income country.

        Mexico, India, China, also don’t need to import farm labor. They have plenty of poor people in their countries willing to do that. I imagine it’s the same in Ukraine.

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      2. I was shocked when I visited Vietnam and Peru, and found out what we were missing, in the US, food-wise. It was hard to come back to US produce departments and gassed, cellophane-wrapped, discolored meats. To some extent, I thought maybe, just maybe it might be a function of the tropics. Like maybe the produce in the markets, and the grocery stores, was just better, and more varied, and cheaper because it was the tropics. Certainly, they benefited from a whole host of tree fruits that don’t grow here, and also don’t ship well.

        But that didn’t explain why the meat is so different, you know?

        Now you say Ukraine, too, has better produce… they’re definitely not the tropics.

        When will Americans figure out that shipping produce 1500 miles kills it?

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        1. “When will Americans figure out that shipping produce 1500 miles kills it?”

          It depends… go to any northern supermarket in Europe and you’ll find produce from Spain, Italy and Greece… and it’s still better than American.

          My idea is still that when transport took longer in the US harder, more durable cultivars were chosen and that didn’t change when transport became a lot faster. Long distance transport is newer in Europe (really only starting well after 2000 or maybe 2010…) and so they didn’t have to deal with the ‘will is stay ‘fresh’ for three weeks?’ considerations as much.

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          1. That makes sense. That lack of variety in supermarkets here makes me sad, after having a tienda and a fruit-lady right across the street from the house, and the supermercado Metro in walking distance. Any day of the week: six exotic peppers, at least four or five kinds of potatoes, the most beautiful purple-skinned sweet potatoes, four varieties of bananas (and even the cavendish ones were amazing), quinces, lucuma, cherimoya, skinny apples, paltas, beautiful fresh chard all the time…

            (grumbles about why can’t we have nice things here)

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  2. To my knowledge, the reason that there are both unemployed people and illegal immigrants who are allowed to work is because the economic system in force collapses when everybody is employed and when everybody is part of the system.

    The reason for that is because at full employment, wages fluctuate upwards irregularly, while prices for many goods/assets do the same.

    In order to keep prices generally steady, or at least in the control of financiers, a portion of the population remains unemployed and suffering so that they can be drawn into the labour force temporarily whenever needed so as to stop both price fluctuations in the labour market and some asset classes.

    The welfare portion of the unemployed also have provided to them some goods and services as decided by government, which again serves as a control mechanism/occasional pressure relief outlet.

    Obviously the ones who benefit from what is being done are the ones who are enormously rich and who control the economy, and certainly not the average citizen that would have benefited enormously had the natural evolution of markets/society been allowed to occur.

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  3. “US produce is horrid. Probably the worst in the world”

    It’s certainly…. what it is…. A big reason is that when long-distance transport was becoming a thing it took much longer to ship tomatoes from California to North Dakota (for example).

    So for years, growers selected cultivars by factors not related to taste (esp durability and size). Transport is much faster now, but I don’t think the ‘big and nice looking over taste’ attitude has changed and the overwhelming majority of consumers simply don’t realize what tomatoes really taste like (or strawberries – pink cardboard in the US….).

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  4. “Everybody on the planet is doing it better without exploiting migrants”

    Well there is some exploitation going on in those giant greenhouses in Southern Spain…. though nothing like the scale or degree that is normal in the US…

    short video on African immigrant in Spain:

    a more upbeat piece…

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