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The public justification for destroying the Wagner graves and memorials in Russia is that they were Nazis. This is true, of course. Utkin, Prigozhin’s second-in-command who died in that plane crash was covered with swastika tattoos. But the funny part is that Wagnerites were officially anti-Nazi heroes until the day before yesterday when they immediately turned into evil Nazis.

Just as easily and happily Russians will crap on Putin the second he croaks. But so what? It changes nothing. Their idols come and go but their behavior is always the same.

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  1. cliff arroyo Avatar
    cliff arroyo

    “ussians will crap on Putin the second he croak”

    In some ways russia seems to be even more fluid than London or Canada…. ‘truth’ is simply what people are told to accept and the overwhelming majority placidly accepts it…..

    It seems very similar to what our own Shining Elites want when they prattle on about ‘settled science’…. or ‘pregnant men’ or… a lot of other stuff.

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      That’s exactly what I’m saying. We’ll all end up in Russia if we don’t take care.

      Antifa, for example, started in Russia in 2003. They did what the US Antifa does today. Created mayhem, shut down political opposition to the regime by calling dissidents Nazis. We can all see how that all developed.

      We are noticing how indifferent everybody is in the US to the catastrophe of Maui. Remember, though, the submarine Kursk? The “it sank” one? Putin called the widows of the dead sailors “10-ruble whores”. Nobody cared. And last month, the son of one of these dead sailors and “a 10-ruble whore” died for Putin in Ukraine. This is now the second generation of men in that family killed by Putin. And nobody cares. Least of all the family itself, or what’s left of it.

      Russia is not backwards. It’s very progressive. It’s just that you can progress to something really nasty.

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  2. el Avatar
    el

    I usually trust the information you post, but … this take on Wagnerites’ graves looks like something Ukrainian patriots want to believe in because of (understandable) hatred of Russia. In addition, this interpretation also suits the narratives of the destroyed nation state, so is even nicer to believe in.

    “the graves of the Wagnerites are being dug up. Wreaths, crosses piled up in a garbage heap”

    Yes, in order to remake the graveyard in the style of Arlington National Cemetery similar to previous Prigozhin’s cemetery for Wagnerites. Here it is:

    The info in Russian is here:
    https://prostopasha1914.livejournal.com/1012300.html

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      Who’s going to pay for this new cemetery? The Russian government? We know who paid for the cemetery in this photo and with what money. Who’s paying for the new one? And who’d be so eager to lay out that enormous sum right after Wagner has been disbanded?

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  3. el Avatar
    el

    I also don’t believe that Prigozhin could have been the president of Russia, had he continued in his march on (empty) Moscow. He wouldn’t have enough support for changing Putin from people who matter. I don’t even mention changing the regime itself, freeing political prisoners and receiving a Nobel Prize.

    Arestovich supporting “Prigorzhin could’ve been president” is an example of his psychological warfare against Russians. We don’t have to fall for it.

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    1. Clarissa Avatar
      Clarissa

      First of all, why shouldn’t we join psychological warfare against Russia? It’s a noble effort that everybody should join.

      I absolutely believe that Prigozhin had every chance. Anybody who is a tad stronger than the very weak Putin and his even weaker toadies has a chance. But Prigozhin turned out even weaker.

      These are all bumbling, ineffective losers. The only effect they have is due to easily sacrificing enormous numbers of their sheep-people. We are all sitting here in terror of pathetic, barely literate old men.

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      1. el Avatar
        el

        \ First of all, why shouldn’t we join psychological warfare against Russia?

        In English? On your blog? It’s not the best way to reach Russians 🙂

        I thought the point of our discussions was to gain better understanding of the world, not to lie = psyop.

        Btw, I subscribed to several Ukrainian bloggers after 2022, but left the one whose blog was a (bad) attempt at psychological warfare. People feel when it is the goal.

        Arestovich and thousands of Ukrainians are already doing everything they can anyway.

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        1. cliff arroyo Avatar
          cliff arroyo

          “not the best way to reach Russians”

          Speaking for myself…. I have no interest in ‘reaching’ russians… I’m interested in defeating their army and I don’t care how that will make them feel…. it’s the ordinary russians just minding their own business that caused the war far more than putain by himself…..

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          1. Clarissa Avatar
            Clarissa

            Yeah, they can’t be reached. Look at the Russian instructor who spent a year at our university. She saw nothing but kindness and respect from me. But she feels very aggrieved that none of us ever expressed sympathy for her as a citizen of a country that is defending itself from a NATO aggression.

            Curiously, she never returned to Russia. She went to Mexico and is trying to enter the US as a refugee.

            These people can’t be reached.

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          Clarissa

          Russia is leading a psychological warfare against us constantly. In English, and in many other languages. I can’t turn on the TV here in America or pick up a newspaper without coming across a badly translated calque from a recent post by Medvedev.

          One way to resist the propaganda is to concentrate on what is and remember that everything else is just a story. A spin.

          Let’s take the Wagner cemetery story as an example. There are actual images of crosses and Russian flags being piled up like trash. That’s reality. Then somebody creates a story about some imaginary cemetery that will be built somewhere in the future. That’s not reality. That’s spin. This happens a lot and we need to distinguish between these two things.

          As for Arestovych, I think he’s doing what he has to do but it’s a failed effort. Russians are too far gone. They can’t be reached. Somebody needs to still try for just in case and I deeply respect him for sacrificing his own political future for this effort. But it’s not going to work.

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          1. el Avatar
            el

            \ One way to resist the propaganda is to concentrate on what is and remember that everything else is just a story.

            That’s a helpful tip.

            I do think that in the long term not engaging in a psychological warfare pays off. For people like us, not for f.e. Arestovych, who plays a special role.

            Btw, I do see a similarity here:

            [what I heard on Israeli news today] Palestinians are leading a psychological warfare against Israel constantly with the end goal of presenting my country as the apartheid state, getting Israel thrown out of UN and endangering our lives by catastrophically crippling sanctions. Unfortunately, some not too bright ministers love to be media stars most of all, regardless of the damage and play into those narratives. Two days ago:

            // American model and BDS activist Bella Hadid on Thursday, posted comments made by National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir claiming his right to travel safely in the West Bank precedes that of Palestinians – as proof of Israel’s policy of apartheid. Ben-Gvir spoke on Channel 12 News days after a terror attack near Hebron which resulted in the murder of a 40-year-old mother of three from a nearby settlement.
            “My right, my family’s right and my children’s right to travel safely on the roads comes before the right to travel for Palestinians. The right to life comes before the freedom of movement, and that is just the way it is,” He said. //

            Btw, our latest ‘all Right’ government is a disaster of major proportions and does everything to weaken the country:

            “Mass protests in Israel over prime minister’s plan to weaken Supreme Court” –> they have been going for months

            “Ultra-Orthodox lawmakers presented a bill on Tuesday to enshrine the value of Torah study in a quasi-constitutional Basic Law, as a way to further cement military draft exemptions for ultra-Orthodox men … The bill, submitted by members of the United Torah Judaism party, defines Torah study as a core state value, elevating it to be roughly on par with serving in the armed forces, which is mandatory for most Israelis.”

            This bill would probably also pave the road for yeshiva students to get special benefits, similar to discharged IDF soldiers.

            All this talk of psychological warfare struck a chord with me since imagine if I said I were leading this warfare against Palestinians. Would somebody understand and support this position? Btw, in conversations re Israel we had years ago on your blog, I honestly tried to be as objective as possible. That’s why it was hurtful when some still saw this as proof of brainwashing, cruelty, trying to do psyop on readers here, etc.

            Like many readers, I come here with hope to find out truths, understand better how the world works.

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            1. cliff arroyo Avatar
              cliff arroyo

              “I do think that in the long term not engaging in a psychological warfare pays off.”

              Thank you, Pollyanna of Sunnybrook Farm!

              I’ll gladly stop engaging in psychological warfare once russia does….

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    el

    On another topic, I choose books for my mother from a local library and at last she loved a book I brought, said it was real literature and recommended me to read it too. Just in case you want to check it out – “Somewhere in France” by Jennifer Robson.

    The website of the author with info re this novel:

    https://www.jennifer-robson.com/writing/somewhere-in-france/

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