Before the Russian invasion it was 72% opposed on the EU and 83% opposed on NATO.
Let’s not be like the characters of 1984 and get our memories erased overnight.
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Opinions, art, debate
Before the Russian invasion it was 72% opposed on the EU and 83% opposed on NATO.
Let’s not be like the characters of 1984 and get our memories erased overnight.
Clarissa's Blog 
tHAT’S the reasons Russia invaded the Ukraine.
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To create support for the NATO membership? Russia is, indeed, the best recruitment agent for the NATO.
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Nato in the Ukraine compares to Russia in Mexico. Not going to happen.
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Fair warning: if you start with Russian talking points, I’ll respond with Hamas propaganda. I respect your national feelings. Please respect mine. Are you really in a position to lose allies for the purpose of supporting the anti-semitic Russia? Ukraine is completely on Israel’s side and Russia is completely pro-Palestinian. Why do you want to reward Russia with your support?
You have to be strategic and side with people who are positively disposed towards you.
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I don’t get people. Russia trains and funds HAMAS to effectuate the largest pogrom since WW2, and they still recite Russian talking points. What will it take to end the love affair with the people who despise and hate you and turn towards those who admire abc support you?
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I do not like Russia. But every Israeli war the international community has behaved like flies on shit. Absolutely abhor imperialism. Defined as: countries who share no common boarders with the conflict nations, yet do not hesitate to interfere. Don’t like foreign involvement in the Ukraine, ie the Natoization of Poland and the Balkans and the Ukraine … just as I detest the Quartet attempts to divide Israel and treat it as post WWII defeated Germany. There a 2 state and 2 Berlin solution. There a forced population transfer of Germans in the Czech Republic and Poland. Abhor UN Resolution 242. Together with the Apartheid of the UN refusal to recognize Israel as a country in the Middle East.
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If you don’t like foreign involvement in Ukraine (no “the”), you should be opposed to the Russian invasion. And you are not.
You aren’t being honest with yourself. You are shilling for Russia when Russia doesn’t want you to exist. Not knowing (or pretending not to know) that you are reciting Kremlin’s talking points verbatim is not an excuse. Just like it wouldn’t be if I started hollering “from the river to the sea” and refused to admit that I’m supporting Hamas.
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Russia invaded twice by two huge foreign armies – Napoleon and Hitler. The plains of the Ukraine an ideal corridor by which thousands of tanks can operate fire and maneuver tactics. Russia after two disastrous war, three including WWI, its strategic interests centers upon guarding that the Ukraine does not become a NATO avenue of invasion.
Russia a hostile state to Israel. No love lost between Israelis and Russian. No “aren’t being honest with yourself” applies in this case. Oppose WWIII whereever a local conflict threatens to explode into an international world conflict. The latter type of war – 10s of millions perhaps 100s of millions perhaps billions of people could die in a nuclear holocaust!
Flat out oppose internation intervension in local border wars, both in the case of Russia and the Ukraine and Israel and Gaza wherein the Turks threatened to introduce troops into Gaza through and with the consent of Egypt. Jordan too Israel’s ambassador has left Ammon. Actions have consequences. To start a war has its risks. Putin thought the invasion of the Ukraine would be a short war. Just as did the countries who slaughtered entire generations of their people thought the troops sent would return before Xmas in WWI.
This opposition to the internationalization of a local conflict: Compares to the Spanish Civil War of the late 1930s which saw the Fascist dictator Franco rule Spain for 40 years. The international involvement in that Civil War pitted the weapons of the Nazis against the weapon supplied by the Soviets to there respective sides in that Civil War.
War needs an examination viewed from the context of other previously fought wars. In military schools – its taught through military history.
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“share no common boarders with the conflict nations, yet do not hesitate to interfere… the Natoization of Poland”
You might want to brush up on your geography, Poland has borders with both Ukraine and russia.
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Who’d think that the concept of a military alliance, which has existed throughout human history, would suddenly become so controversial the second its convenient to Russia.
It’s also really funny how people from a country that only exists thanks yo constant military and financial aid from the US are extremely opposed to the US offering such aid to anybody else. It’s not like Israel shares borders with America. Why should the US taxpayers keep paying for it?
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Cliff Poland a Nato nation. Russia invaded twice when huge foreign invading armies passed through the plains of the Ukraine. Just as the US would not permit Russia to station 1 million troops in Mexico so too and how much more so Russia will not permit the Ukraine to become another Nato nation.
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Clarissa clearly your a partisan for the Ukrainians. Israel supplies weapons to assist the Ukrainians. We know on which side our toast – buttered. Russia has supplied weapons to assist Arab states to destroy the Jewish state in 7 previous wars!
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\ Before the Russian invasion it was 72% opposed on the EU
Do you mean in 2014? Or in 2022?
What were the reasons? I doubt most of the opposed on the EU were moved by the desire to be in Eurasian Customs Union with Russia and Belarus instead.
Also, don’t sure that understand your feelings on the issue. I thought Maidan expressed the desire to be with EU in spirit at the least. Haven’t Ukrainians changed forever? Do you think they may start opposing joining EU and/or NATO again?
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My numbers are from 2013, on the eve of the invasion. The Maidan opposed Yanukovich and his orders to shoot at an unarmed group of protesters, killing 100+ young people. Before the shooting started, the protest was quite small. It’s the murder of the innocent, peaceful protesters by the government that brought millions out into the streets and toppled the government.
I personally don’t think the EU and the NATO are a good idea. The NATO because there’s zero chance that a single NATO soldier will fight in Ukraine. All that membership will mean is that Ukrainian soldiers will be sent to die for US adventures in yet another Libya. And I’m against EU membership because it’s a failed project that will never benefit marginal Eastern European latecomers.
But I’m not a citizen, so my opinion doesn’t matter.
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If Ukraine had been a member of NATO, Putin would never have dared to attack it, because doing so would have put Russia in an active war against the United States. Why do you think that post-WWII-Russia has never acted on its rabid desires to seize territory in Poland and the Balkans?
Whatever your contempt for NATO, membership in that alliance has been an absolute barrier to Soviet military aggression.
Dreidel
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I hope to be wrong but I believe we will see Russia attack a NATO country. It will be a small thing at first. Then a slightly bigger thing. It will be easy to dismiss as a mistake. And then it will be “why should American soldiers die to defend those Nazis in Estonia?”
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“US would not permit Russia”
Classic russian mistake, you’re assuming that there’s some kind of parity between the US and russia….
The US is a military, economic and cultural superpower.
russia is none of these things, a third tier country (at best – a couple of Potemkin cities floating on oceans of third world poverty and dysfunction) with delusions of grandeur.
Now it could have been a military, economic and cultural superpower but that’s not what russians wanted (or they simply had no idea how to get there).
So spare me fairytales about what russia will “permit”…. russia will permit what the top dog countries allow it to permit.
Next you’ll try to compare russia’s war against Ukraine to US interventions in other countries….
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“funny how people from a country that only exists thanks to constant military and financial aid from the US are extremely opposed to the US offering such aid to anybody else.”
One reason countries who receive aid from the US are opposed to the the US providing aid to other countries is because they are worried it will reduce the aid they receive.
https://www.news24.com/news24/africa/news/african-concerns-mount-as-west-pours-aid-into-ukraine-20230621
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