Q&A about Vaccines

~ Clarissa

Do I have any far-right readers? I’d love to know if I do. I’ve never met anybody far-right in RL because where would I find them? But at least to have some come to the blog would be fun.

Dear far-right readers, please make yourselves known.

As for me, I can say that my child is on the regular schedule of childhood vaccinations. We all know how I feel about my child, so that’s the best answer I can give.

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  2. I think most of them, particularly the ones introduced after ~1985-6, have never been adequately safety tested, and proper surveillance was never done to assess whether or not there were long-term health consequences for *any* of them. And we need to effing DO those safety studies, both on the current shots, and on anything still in the works. VAERS, our adverse-events reporting system, is a joke.

    An interesting paper came out this year looking at FL medicaid data trying to get some insight into these questions, and it is not looking good.

    https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/

    TL:DR: premature infants who were vaccinated normally saw rate of neurodevelopmental disorders rise from 16% (preemies have issues anyway) to 40%. In the overall sample of 47k children, it found a dose-response relationship between number of vaccines and likelihood of being diagnosed with an ASD. But since diagnostic criteria are squishy there, what struck me more is the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated children when it came to much more clearcut diagnoses such as epilepsy (4x higher for vaxd children) and encephalopathy (7x higher).

    If there’s a solid, conservative takeaway from the study, it’s that premature infants should not, under any circumstances, be given vaccines on a normal schedule. I personally know someone whose preemie infant was, at the doc’s insistence, given all the regular shots. That child ended up in the ER TWICE with a 106F fever on the evening after ped appointments with shots (the third time, they didn’t bother with ER because they can manage with Ibuprofen and acetaminophen at home same as ER). When the parents were like “well, maybe we could just wait a while on more shots since the kid was premature?” the doc insisted that the fevers were *totally unrelated* and only bad parents don’t get all their shots on time. That child is older now and… there are some issues. I am confident none of that was ever reported to VAERS because the parents didn’t know about it, and the doc was more interested in gaslighting them than reporting.

    Why would docs do that? Because pediatricians get large bonuses from the vaccine manufacturers according to the *percentage* of their patients who are fully vaccinated. If the doc’s practice is on the edge of that percentage, it means that if your child has an adverse reaction, it’s worth $10k or more to that doctor to convince you that it was unrelated and you should stick to the schedule. Perverse incentives.

    And there’s the rub. Now that I’ve seen it in action: harm—> denial—-> motivated nonreporting… I don’t trust any of the official safety data. It’s not that the shots are definitely harmful, or definitely safe, it’s that *we don’t know* and all the parts of the system, from cash rewards to pediatricians, all the way up to revolving-door staffing between the drug manufacturers and the FDA/NIH, are organized to *actively prevent* finding out for sure one way or the other. Which you wouldn’t need to do if they were absolutely safe, no?

    I think it’s a good sign that the above study even got published. There was, before the current year, an unspoken ban on such research in peer-reviewed journals. Nobody wants to endanger their funding. We are hoping that the safety testing will finally be done, as the new HHS sec. has ordered.

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  3. My sense is that on either the “far” right or left of the Bell Curve, the deviation from “standard” attitudes about most everything, from the efficacy and safety of vaccines, to the virtues or vices of capitalism, increases. Of course, given the prejudices of our media class, you hear far more about right wing vaccine “deniers” than the holistic folks on the left, who won’t put “poisons” in themselves or their loved ones.

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  4. Well to be fair you are in academia, and that has never been the domain of the right, much less the far right. Even before the communist take-over starting in the 1920s, the academia was mostly made up of left leaning, with a splattering of centralist. Granted they weren’t card carrying communist psychopaths, but for the most part they also weren’t right wing.

    Anyway, yes I consider myself to be Right Wing, specifically a Christian Far Right, Nationalist.

    As for the vaccines I am torn on this subject. On the one hand my grandfather told me stories about what went on during the early 1900s, both the diseases running about, and the actions that were taken to cure them. On the other hand I have all the evidence I need to know that what is in modern vaccines are an absolute poison and abomination that I want nowhere near my family.

    So back in the 1920/30s, the country was still dealing with Polio, with Tuberculosis, with well a lot of things. What no one actually talks about is how the country had managed to suppress a lot of these diseases until they started returning with the flood of illegal aliens.

    Previous for TB, you either died with it, or you moved Westward to places like New Mexico and Texas. Supposedly the dry heat kept it at bay and preserved your life. However the government in the 20s forward was actually pretty proactive in fighting disease. They would remove anyone with TB or other type disease in the same threat level and put those infected in quarantine inside asylums placed around the country till they either recovered or died. This lowered the number of people who were exposed to these diseases. Funnily enough they did something similar to wipe out bug beds. If your house was infested, your bed and any furniture that was infested was taken outside and burned. By doing this bed bugs were slowly but surely eliminated from a lot of the country.

    To make sure no new strains of any of this were being brought back in, all new or potential citizens had to spend a few weeks in quarantine on Ellis Island before being allowed in the country.

    There were also a lot of vaccines made in this period of time. I think a lot of these were probably actual vaccines, using weakened viruses or diseases to teach your body what to fight. These worked and worked well.

    Now fast forward to today, I don’t trust any of the vaccines, even those who’s predecessors were made in the 20s forward. When you have a medical field that has been shown to be extremely corrupt, when you have a de-populationist messing with the vaccines (looking at you Bill Gates.) When you have autism rates going up by massive amounts, but only in those getting the vaccines (the Amish don’t have the same issue.) And lastly when the medical field demands that newborns receive a whole battery of vaccines not that long after their born. Well I don’t trust any of them at this point.

    So my two cent is this. I want to trust the old established vaccines I really do. However I simply cant its not worth the risk. As long as money and psychopaths like Fauchi are running the medical establishment I will refuse to put anything coming from them in myself or any of my family. If they want to later, that’s their choice, but as things stand I just can’t.

    • – W

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    1. Oh, you are far right! I’m so glad. I will now direct all my far right questions to you because, as you say, in academia far right means “doesn’t denounce transphobia while wrapped in a Palestinian flag every hour of every day.” And that’s not anybody else’s definition of far-right. It’s more of an everybody’s definition of “not a complete lunatic.”

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  5. Clarissa, please deeply examine the HPV vaccine before your pediatrician pushes it on you for Clara.

    Amanda

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  6. I used to trust vaccines. Then, unfortunately, I vaccinated my child and seeing the consequences I stopped. I left our pediatric practice over it and found the one (and only) pediatric practice in the area that does not push vaccines. I will never take another vaccine myself if I can help it and will rather pull my child out of school than continue the childhood vaccination program. Thankfully, I live in a state that allows religious exemptions to vaccination, because unless your child is close to dying right there in the pediatric office minutes after the vaccine administration, no doctor will sign a medical vaccine exemption. Does this make me far right? I really do not care. Proceed with vaccines at your own risk.

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      1. I’m sorry it’s not my intention to scare you. Your daughter is older than my child, so she will be fine at this point if you have not seen anything concerning. My child’s immune system is messed up and I believe the childhood vaccines were a big contributor to their health problems since looking back at it, their health significantly worsened after each series of vaccines, especially at 4-month and 6-month checkup vaccine series. They started to develop an eczema after the 4-month appointment, which got really, really bad after the vaccines they got at 6 months, which included a flu vaccine. I’m talking about a full body eczema not easily treatable. It went downhill from there with multiple food allergies and ended with asthma. I started to have vaccine questions sometime before they turned one year old, but was assured everything is fine. It took me talking to a somewhat distant family member who is an allergologist/immunologist to completely stop with vaccines before my child turned 2 years old. I learned from her that some food allergies can be triggered by vaccination (allergy to eggs, especially) and that we had other cases in our family when a child developed food allergies after vaccination. Her recommendation was to look at alternative vaccines that are not grown in eggs.

        An interesting side effect of completely stopping with vaccines is that my child didn’t have a bad ear infection since (they had some bad ones that in retrospect occurred close to vaccination).

        Finally, in the last batch of vaccines I (stupidly) allowed to be administered was a first dose of MMR that caused my child to get full blown measles.

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        1. If it’s not too nosy, just for datapoint collecting purposes:

          When this happened, were you aware that you could report it to VAERS (did you even know about VAERS?)?

          Do you think your doc reported it to VAERS?

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          2. It did happen in the US. At the time, I had no idea VAERS even existed so no, I did not report it. I am quite sure the doctor did not report anything either since as far as she is concerned vaccines had nothing to do with my child’s health problems and everything is just a coincidence. I do think though there was some hesitation on her part, since at a 1-year old appointment she administered vaccines on the beginning (rather than at the end) of the visit to have more time to watch my child. However, nothing short of anaphylactic reaction on the spot counts as an adverse reaction for these people… At one of the last appointments we had with that practice, the doctor spent most of the time pushing covid vaccines on us (at that time they were not even approved for children under 5), and got mildly irritated when told her I have zero interest in those. Did not come back there after that as I already made a decision to stop with all the vaccines and found a vaccine-friendly practice. At our current pediatric practice they just ask me if I want vaccines for my child, I tell them no and it ends there (no lectures).

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            1. Thanks. I know, or have met, several people now (in the course of normal life, not related to vaccines) who’ve had similar experiences: there was a problem, they didn’t want to continue, their doc guilt-tripped and denied about it, and definitely no party involved reported it to VAERS. So it seems very very likely to me that the vast majority of negative effects never get reported… zero accountability, exceedingly difficult for any negative downstream effects to be connected back to the drugs, for research and safety-surveillance purposes.

              Which is what makes me think all the “it’s perfectly safe” claims are bogus. They have no way to know that, and they’ve never seriously tried to find out.

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            2. MMR in particular is a live vaccine. It can cause measles/mumps/rubella and related illnesses, particularly in immunocompromised children. In an ideal situation it wouldn’t, but then this is also the problem with the oral polio vaccine—in rare cases it can cause a vaccine variant of polio. It’s why we no longer use the oral polio vaccine in the US. The fact that your child got measles shortly after vaccination should have been reported, and I’m sorry that you had to deal with a provider who didn’t think it could possibly be related.

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              1. The post-script to the OPV story is a weird one, though. The downside is that it occasionally escapes containment in manufacturing and causes real polio outbreaks. The upside is that it reduces all-cause morbidity and mortality for years, compared to the killed-virus version, which seems to also have some chronic longterm downstream negative effects.

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              2. Measles after MMR happened at the peak of covid, so I did not even bring my child back to the pediatrician. I did not want to subject them to covid testing while being sick of what was clearly not covid and all the craziness that was happening at that time. Fortunately, I had measles as a child and knew and remembered the course of the disease and what to do (I grew up in a country that did not vaccinate for measles, mumps or varicella at that time, so I am well acquainted with those). I was actually quite shocked this has happened – why should I vaccinate my child to avoid getting diseases which then they get anyway from the vaccine? In any case, clearly, my child has a problem with their immune system, so giving them so many vaccines at such young age was a bad idea to start with.

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              3. –oof, now that I think on it, it may not be the polio immunization I was thinking of. Scratch that previous comment. If I can track down the story again, I’ll post a link.

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              4. @random reader:

                That is pretty much how our youngest ended up not vaxd. We were going to start that after 1yr like our other kids, but then covid happened. Suddenly, instead of just trooping down to the health dept with the whole family whenever we could get our schedules together (spouse was working extremely variable days/hours), and then going out for ice cream, now they had all these rules: we had to make an appointment way ahead of time, I couldn’t bring my other kids (so I’d have to find a babysitter, which I couldn’t afford) with me, I’d have to make my toddler wear a mask (good luck with that) for however long we were in the waiting room (and this is a government office: efficiency not expected), and in order to space out the shots and not get more than one at a time, we’d have to somehow repeat this miracle a dozen or more times… so we just didn’t. We were like… eh, we’ve waited a year already, let’s just wait until things go back to normal. And now that we have more info on the vaccine industry than we ever wanted… maybe that was a lucky break.

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        2. I’m so sorry. I have a friend whose child became severely autistic after getting routine vaccination. It’s such a tragedy. From what I understand, they are genetically predisposed in the family to have these severe reactions. And in spite of that, the boy’s younger sister was offered all the same vaccines. She also suffered damage but in her case it was mostly reversed. The poor parents could have ended up with two severely autistic children. It doesn’t bear thinking about.

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          1. I am sorry to hear about your friend. I do believe there is a genetic component to this. Some people are able to tolerate vaccines without much trouble, but some develop various diseases as a result if they are susceptible. If you are administering medication to an entire population, it is not unreasonable to expect it will harm some. That’s why I think it is important to proceed with caution and not to pressure parents to vaccinate. Spacing/delaying vaccines or not vaccinating should be valid choices, especially if there is an already known reaction to some vaccines within the family. The problem is that the consent to receive the vaccines is not really informed and it is a system that often leaves you with little choice. Just try to find a pediatric practice that respects your choice not to vaccinate your child. Several of the states in the US (I believe it is 6 of them) will not admit your child to school unless you have a medical reason for not wanting to vaccinate and those exemptions are very hard to get and are only given on a case-by-case basis. I am 100% against forced medical interventions, and the childhood vaccine program is coercive.

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  7. Most of the kids of my era took the polio shot, I saw the sad results of even the milder long term effects of those that had not, And I accepted the TB shot because I was working in the North, and still wonder why the hell the shots were not openly given everywhere in the Territories. Was it cost, or did suffering natives just not matter?

    And while I questioned the efficacy of the Covid shots, I took them because my long time doctor (and trusted friend) not only took them himself, but gave them to his family. But I certainly doubted masks with pores too coarse to screen a virus, and the distancing nonsense when Covid had clearly become airborne,.

    But far, far worse than all those sins, I also believe that publicly funded multicultural and feminist efforts are undermining the Western world. So I am clearly far-right, reus sum, mea culpas, but even worse, also speak fluent red neck ’cause I are one ;-D

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    1. We tracked down a doc who wouldn’t harass us about vaccines for our youngest. We did the older two on a delayed, spaced-out schedule so that *if* there were any bad reactions, we could sort out what shot caused it, and at least know what to avoid (I know, that’s naive in retrospect). Youngest… eh, haven’t got around to it. Not important as he’s not in school. Anyway, nice old Lebanese dude. All he said to us about it was: “if you only get one immunization, do polio: I’ve seen that one back in Lebanon and it’s bad.” and then never brought it up again. I respect that. We may do that. Doesn’t seem urgent though. We may also get the Varicella shots, if they get to 15 or so and still haven’t had chickenpox. Will reassess when we get there.

      But also ringing in my memory are the recollections of my grandma’s generation: they got *all* the childhood plagues, measles, mumps, whooping cough, chickenpox, the works. And they were all fine. My auntie who had a fantastic immune system and never got sick when all her siblings did, *was jealous* because she wanted to stay home from school for a week too. Hated having to walk to school all alone!

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      1. Yes, most of us had no trouble with all the usual childhood diseases, but given the mass unvetted immigration, please consider the Polio shot. There were always kids walking around with muscle damaged legs when I was in school, and those kept alive with the Iron Lung were far worse off.

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    2. Another far-right reader! Such great tidings!

      I’m right-wing but not at all far. Although I might get there if the current lunacy continues much longer. Every search for “transphobic syllabi” pushes me to the right, and why wouldn’t it?

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      2. I’m still confused about the designation “far right”

        I’m a distributist at heart: the means of production should be widely distributed, with solid measures in place to prevent their centralization.

        Everything else is religion.

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          1. So… far-right is mostly-online men who are bitter because they see themselves as Genghis Khan in their heads, but nobody IRL treats them like Genghis Khan?

            The way the term gets thrown around, I thought it must include everybody who’s ever voted Republican…

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            1. LOL, it is not just Republicans, Anybody in the western world that doesn’t immediately and completely buy into the latest leftist pap is obviously a right wing extremist, and that includes you ;-D

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              2. True. They can come up with any lunacy and proclaim it normal. Yet when we say that men can’t give birth, we are called right-wing extremists.

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            2. In response to your previous comment—could be the chicken pox vaccine. It can trigger shingles and can later trigger shingles if you’re later exposed to chicken pox virus.

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              1. Huh. I thought protection against shingles was the main reason to get it? I never had the chickenpox vax. Got chickenpox as a toddler, when my sisters did. And then I got shingles when I was nine. So if both natural infection *and* getting the varicella vaccine can lead to shingles later… why bother?

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        2. “the means of production should be widely distributed, with solid measures in place to prevent their centralization”

          Sounds about right… I’m an eclectic functionalist at heart (I’m in favor of policies that work rather than policies that tickle people’s ideology zones). Deregulation was carried far too far in lots of fields and hyper-monetization of every aspect of life leads to things like the current housing dystopia….

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          1. If that were a political platform, I could sign up.

            It’s not that I think decentralization is a solution in and of itself: I don’t think any widespread problems go away without a functional *culture* which can’t be legislated.

            But decentralization would remove many of the threats and practical barriers to functional economy, culture, and governance: i.e. that when things agglomerate past a certain size– whether that’s landowners, school districts, individual schools, theme parks, stadiums, news networks, cable companies, corporations, governments, electrical grids, cellphone networks, bureaucracies, sewer systems, farms, hospitals, insurance companies, banks, factories, whatever… they lose accountability and become problems, and also increase the odds of catastrophic failure. Smallness, decentralization, and redundancy lend themselves to resilience, transparency, and accountability.

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            1. “Smallness, decentralization, and redundancy lend themselves to resilience, transparency, and accountability.”

              All of which are deeply offensive to the neoliberal mentality which seeks mystic failure (creative destruction) and endless metamorphoses into ever new states of failure and metamorphosis…

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  8. I grew up in the days when there were no vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, or chicken pox. As a result, every kid got every one of those diseases. All it meant was that you got to miss a few days of school (not a big deal in the days when everyone had a mother at home) and watch television. No one that I knew of ever suffered any lasting damage as a result of any of those illnesses. I wonder if that would be the case nowadays, though, when so many people’s immune systems have been damaged by the Fauci Ouchie. We baby boomers had much stronger immune systems than today’s kids, because — in addition to weathering all those childhood diseases — we also played outside in the dirt, got lots of sunshine, drank water directly from the garden hose, rode our bicycles everywhere (with no helmets), etc.

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    1. Yes, and for some strange reason, allergies and obese kids were almost unknown. My sister always annoyed her daughters with stories of walking several miles to school in at least two feet of snow ;-D

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        1. LOL, well, she somehow always forgot that her two older brothers broke trail and generally carried her on her sled. She has passed now, but can still remember her in pink snowsuit and scarfs with only her eyes and frost covered eyelashes visible ;-D

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  9. I think older vaccines are effective, but oversold. I suspect sanitation had a much bigger impact on reducing disease than vaccines ever did. Newer ones are far less useful, riding on the coattails of the supposed legacy of older vaccines. The flu vaccine being a great example, where there is some evidence its efficacy is actually negative. I’m absolutely convinced that the mRNA vaccine killed my mother who developer a very aggressive cancer within a few months of receiving it when she was otherwise healthy.

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