Instead of going in circles and repeating the same thing, let’s look at this from a different angle. People want neoliberalism so badly that they are willing to lay down their lives for it. They are willing to accept the most terrible forms of torture for it. Here is an example:
Being gang raped for 6 hours is something that a neoliberal subject uses to develop her personal brand and to monetize. It doesn’t get any clearer than this. You’ll have to tear the gang rapists, the Somali “learing centers” and all the rest of it from her cold dead hands. She loves all of it and she won’t let it go. She’s not experiencing “suicidal empathy.” This woman’s world has no empathy in it at all. She’s in the business of monetizing the emotions we leak as we recoil from the story in horror.
When we see welfare become a criminalized free-for-all, when cities turn into shantytown dumps, when the middle class remains a distant memory and child-bearing is enthroned as class privilege, let’s remember that this came about because people passionately wanted it. Let’s remember that they wanted it so badly that some of them went into the streets and laid down their lives for it. And they wouldn’t do it if alongside with everything it takes away it didn’t give them something so big, so enjoyable that no sacrifice would be too small.
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“People want neoliberalism so badly that they are willing to lay down their lives for it. They are willing to accept the most terrible forms of torture for it.”
Most people out there don’t want any of these extremes. We don’t want extreme neoliberal woke ideology, but we also don’t want untrained government goons shooting people in our streets over the slightest deviation.
I really don’t understand why we have to go from one extreme to the other.
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People want what they help to bring about.
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Both extreme left wokism and current government goonish behavior have the exact same desire: population control and obedience to government authority.
Both want to control people, different purposes, but ultimately they want to achieve the exact same thing. “Stay home and save lives” has become “Stay home and obey government or get shot”
Both are equally repulsive to me.
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This is a false analogy because I don’t stay home and haven’t changed my daily life in absolutely any way.
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You didn’t stayed home and disobeyed Biden’s orders and nobody shot you for it. Protesting and not following COVID mandates should never get you roughed up or shot by government goons.
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“You didn’t stayed home and disobeyed Biden’s orders”
Biden ordered lockdowns? Really?
” Protesting”
Interference with law enforcement is not just ‘protest’… why do people think that it’s a good idea to physcially interfere with armed law enforcement officers?
I don’t get modern leftist/liberals… they prattle on about how Trump’s government is literally nazis and then act as if law enforcement is a bunch of unarmed twerps…
Protest is fine (I support that). If you’re gonna get physical though…. things will get physical and you probably won’t like the result.
Two people now dead because they thought laws didn’t apply to them.
I’m not crazy about the way ICE is operating but if you regard it as a life and death struggle then don’t whine when that’s what it becomes.
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I would really like it if people mentioned what they think the alternative is. Should ICE not deport illegals from specifically MN? Or from anywhere? Should nobody ever get deported? What is the preferred course of action here?.
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“Protest is fine (I support that). If you’re gonna get physical though…. things will get physical and you probably won’t like the result.”
The latest killing of Alex Pretti he wasn’t interfering or endangering any officer. Watch the video if you haven’t and tell me where in there he’s reaching for or brandishing any weapon at anybody. There were six or seven ICE guys on top of him when they shot him dead.
The immediate lying by the administration and especially Steven Miller also erodes any trust.
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“I would really like it if people mentioned what they think the alternative is. Should ICE not deport illegals from specifically MN? Or from anywhere? Should nobody ever get deported? What is the preferred course of action here?.”
Anything that doesn’t involve escalating and shooting American citizens. It’s not that hard. But when you want to establish a 10k deportation army and don’t have time to properly train or vet, you get situations like Alex Pretti and it’s going to get a lot worse. Trump will end up losing the immigration debate because of this; most people don’t want to see untrained trigger happy masked men escalating situations and killing American citizens, and that’s exactly what is happening.
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Ok, so what is the alternative, then? What is this “anything” that could be done and is not getting done?
ICE in MN shows up to arrest a convicted rapist illegal. They are blocked by a crowd that screams and tries to beat them. What should they d do? Go away and not arrest the illegal? Or what?
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Pritzker ‘s orders. However, if police entered into the restaurants I visited in defiance of the closure orders and told us to leave, I would have, of course, left. If I started throwing myself at the police and they socked me in the jaw in response, I would have most certainly deserved it.
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Here’s an example:
https://x.com/i/status/2015469785417466280
I find it strange that anybody would compare this behavior to me going to a restaurant during COVID.
This is why I keep saying I don’t like analogies.
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Ahem.
So, just last month, my dad was arrested for the same thing protesters are getting arrested for: interfering with law enforcement officers in the pursuit of their law enforcement duties. In our state that can be getting anywhere within 25 feet of a cop who is doing anything job-related, which is a stupid and poorly-defined legal concept, but that’s what the rule says. I’m curious what the rule is in MN, because the protesters seem to be all up in the armpits of LEOs, and very few are arrested.
Somehow, this didn’t result in a chaotic pile of officers tackling dad, and nobody got shot. Why? Because he wasn’t there with a posse of obnoxious activists screaming into bullhorns and blowing whistles to maximize the chances of armed people making bad split-second decisions under stress, perhaps? Because dad did not resist arrest? Because he’s not dumb, he’s not on drugs, and he values his own life?
It certainly wasn’t because the cop was reasonable. Quite the opposite. The cop was young, short, chubby, definitely didn’t pass the fitness test, probably fresh out of cop school, felt threatened because she didn’t understand the situation, and she panicked. And dad, who has a very inflexible moral sense and had been ordered by the cop to do something that violated his conscience, did in fact refuse to comply with a direct order from the cop (she told him to leave. he did not). All the potential was there for things to go horribly wrong.
But nothing happened because dad isn’t emotionally deranged and wasn’t spoiling for a fight. He knows that on the scene, you stand there and let them cuff you, and you sort it out later in court. And that’s what happened: he didn’t even have a lawyer. The judge threw out the case because it was stupid. Yay checks and balances working the way they’re supposed to work (both experienced cops and judges do not like dealing with poorly written law or DWP charges: that’s driving while poor).
What is wrong in the head with these people in MN, where protesters who get arrested are released right away, where sympathetic judges refuse to prosecute… that they decide, when facing arrest, to step on the gas pedal, or get in a wrestling match with six cops (while armed)? Arrest is a very safe option for them. Fleeing and resisting aren’t. For anybody. Ever. And yet they’re being encouraged to do these things.
At some point, it makes sense to ask: who is giving them all this bad advice, and aren’t they in some way responsible? Why do they seem to want to get people killed?
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We had at least 30 million illegals to deal with, thanks to the last admin. Not at all sure how anybody was supposed to come up with a crack team of elite LEOs for that job, without simply bringing in the military.
Should we bring in the military instead?
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The central question is why does any fool feel that they have the right to impede an ICE officer, and why the hell are gaslighting politicians publicly advising their constituents to do so? No governor, let alone a mayor, has any authority to interfere with the federal Immigraton Act.
We know that Good broke the law; but Pretti supposedly had legal carried authority, but doing so amongst these tense conditions? However his pistol was a cheap knock off of a Glock that is known to have a problem safety catch, so one has to wonder how exactly this all went down.
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If you’re planning to get arrested, don’t bring a sidearm.
Nothing about a CCL means you aren’t stupid.
The politicians motives are pretty clear: they need the ADD news cycle to turn over and stop talking about their complicity in billions of dollars of fraud. No mystery there.
Somehow I don’t think they mind sacrificing a few emotionally unstable people to that cause.
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Sadly, I also suspect their motives. Not that they are sleazy or anything ;-D
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On a closer look, I have to appologize for saying his pistol was a cheap knock off of a Glock that is known to have a problem safety catch. Rather at somewhere between $1,500-2,000, it is an relatively expensive knock off apparently with that same ambidextrous safety concern.
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It begs the question: if you spent that much on it, you were going somewhere to risk arrest, and you weren’t planning to be violent… why not leave it at home?
If I were to attend any such event with some expectation of conflict, possible arrest (a situation where my belongings might be booked separately from my person, by people I don’t know, and might not be returned to me), I would not be taking anything of value with me.
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It’s not just the expense, it is the personal risk of carrying a concealed firearm in a situation where you are likely to interact with ICE officers. Those guys are already tense/stressed because of the deliberate effort to interrupt their job. We have some video, but we do not know exactly what Petti said, or for that matter, what the ICE officers said, particularly the more aggressive officer.
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Have to say that the more I see it, the more I believe it is the cheap version, more like the $300-400 kit, which did come with two magazines which the officers mention. And it makes more sense, anybody that would buy the expensive one, would likely also purchase some safe training/handling.
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I have never owned or handled a Sig, so I won’t pretend to know the difference 😉
The more info that comes out: the more stupid was going on. One of the benefits (if you’re an agitator) of all the noisemakers on the scene is that it trashes the available audio.
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LOL, the expensive one is prettier ;-D
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in states and cities where criminals are locked up and then turned over to ice there is no chaos in the streets and no physical aggression of any kind. People are only getting shot in states that have refused to cooperate, let criminals out of jail to be sought in the community AND have politicians shouting to protest.
they have sought this unrest with everything they have. I still fail to see what they get out of it except some sense of meaning or purpose in opposing a Trump which has a religious furvor.
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Trump is an insanely divisive leader. The constant and blatant lies also make the Biden administration look amateurish in comparison, so there is zero trust.
This was always going to happen and it’s going to get way worse as temperatures rise and we go into spring and summer.
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Where I live it’s been a model of peaceful and orderly process. There’s a small group of these very insane people who create unnecessary chaos in MN and a couple of other places. Other than that, everybody is having a peaceful, calm time of it.
I also find it incomprehensible why getting hit in the face is a great way to pass the weekend. Both of the people shot in MN (may God rest their souls) are gay. Did they understand what the Somalis for whom they laid down their lives think of gays? Or Central American gangsters? You’d assume they like all the gay rights they enjoy. But instead they go die to bring about a society without those rights.
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Where did you see that Pretti was gay? The news sources I’ve found talked to parents, neighbors, friends, co-workers, and an ex-wife, but no boyfriends and no one mentioning boyfriends.
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They get a big whopping distraction from the recent news that they were complicit in billions of dollars of federal fraud.
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“Interference with law enforcement is not just ‘protest’… why do people think that it’s a good idea to physcially interfere with armed law enforcement officers?
I don’t get modern leftist/liberals… they prattle on about how Trump’s government is literally nazis and then act as if law enforcement is a bunch of unarmed twerps…”
I want to make a new thread on this because it gets a lot of things wrong. In the multiple videos available:
1) Alex Pretti never interfered with the ICE agents. They pushed him, pepper sprayed him, as he was recording with one hand and had the other hand up in the air and backing away.
2) He never brandished a weapon at anybody.
3) The gun he was carrying was concealed on his body and taken away by an ICE agent.
4) After he was disarmed and with 6 or 7 ICE agents on him, he was shot in the order of 6 to 10 times.
Everything in the video indicates ICE instigated the confrontation, escalated the confrontation, and ultimately killed an American citizen that was not a threat to them.
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Tell me Ed, do you have numerous IDs so that you can upvote yourself? Just wondering, because you are not appear particularly persuasive and there is a rather noticeable lack of posts/comments supporting your conclusions ;-D
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Two things can be true
1) These people are our political enemies.
2) ICE is invigorating the left and is a detriment to mass deportations, to the point where it is reasonable to infer that this is a calculated strategy: sow maximum chaos and then throw up their hands up and say “hey we tried”. This administration just doubled the number of H2 visas. Let’s just be honest and admit that they have no intention to actually deal with immigration, legal and illegal.
These ICE missteps would be forgivable if we were deporting a million people a year. We’re not even getting a fraction of that, and are getting these kinds of messy moments. Worst of both worlds. Can we empty out “friendly” red state Texas of the illegal immigrants first? Nope.
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That’s completely ignoring that ICE operates in all 50 states, and has done so with hardly any fuss and bother in most of them, with the full cooperation of local and state law enforcement.
What’s different about Minnesota?
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Oh yes, let’s see the numbers. What has ICE accomplished in red states “with the full cooperation of local and state law enforcement”? Just the numbers, please.
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It typically takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to get accurate numbers, even on the most basic, simple data such as births and deaths, in the US. At one point (before the current administration) I spent a lot of time tracking down vital statistics data, and was continually stymied by this inconvenience. If you’ve ever watched the perpetual revisions process on labor stats, you might understand the frustration! If it’s any consolation, I was looking at publicly-reported vital statistics for Canada at the same time, and they are *even worse*.
But if you’d like to withhold judgment on the immigration situation until the numbers are in, that’s a completely valid stance. Numbers for the first year of this admin should be available by this time next year.
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I’ll give him credit for managing the border situation. Illegal entries have trickled down to almost 0 and he gets an A+ for that.
The harder task of actual deportations, I have zero confidence that he (a) genuinely wants to do it or (b) has the capability to do it.
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A much bigger question is whether the American public wants mass deportations. I’m not seeing any evidence that there’s a genuine desire for them and everything they entail.
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That’s just not true. 2024 was a historic win, with virtually every demographic shifting toward Trump, and immigration was the centerpiece (if not the entirety) of his agenda. You couldn’t send a stronger message that the public wants mass deportations.
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The public is fickle. Yesterday it wanted Trump. Today it elects a far-left government in VA and the polls show lack of interest in deportations, especially if they don’t look nice and polite. Since many people show up aggressively and decisively in opposition and zero show up in favor, it would be bizarre for any politician to hold out under the theory that he can read minds and this is really wanted in spite of there being no evidence that it is.
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My God. The level of apologetics being used to justify the incompetence of this administration is astonishing. I can’t believe I’m reading this on this blog, of all places.
Yeah, it’s the people who are at fault, not the buffoons running the government.
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I’d love to believe it’s just a bunch of inept guys at the very top. That would be a relief. Unfortunately, I think that it’s much worse than that.
But ok, let’s be optimistic. I’ll promise to try.
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“2) ICE is invigorating the left and is a detriment to mass deportations, to the point where it is reasonable to infer that this is a calculated strategy: sow maximum chaos and then throw up their hands up and say “hey we tried”. This administration just doubled the number of H2 visas. Let’s just be honest and admit that they have no intention to actually deal with immigration, legal and illegal.”
I think this is the entire point of the original question. Trump wanted a show in Minneapolis, a city with much fewer illegal immigrants than many red cities. But instead of getting a show he wanted, he’s getting a nightmare of a situation where his thugs are going too far and killing American citizens. This will be extremely detrimental to his immigration policy, and once Democrats get back into power they have the ammo to roll it all back.
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Democrats will bring in tens of millions of new migrants entirely irrespective of what Trump or anybody else does.
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Exactly. Most somalis here are legal. They don’t deserve to be here but they’re legal. Red states have millions of illegals working on farms, construction sites, and the hospitality sector. Why don’t we go after them? Oh wait, Trump literally said he won’t because “we need people.”
Never seen a team so eager to play away games.
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The deportation squad shit is fake and a farce. Trump just said two days ago they are not going to deport illegals with jobs. So don’t ask me to take the shit ICE is doing seriously. You are being given a show and you like it.
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That’s because ICE isn’t doing most of the deporting. They are only necessary when other measures fail and local LEOs are uncooperative.
There’s been a lot of immigration enforcement locally over the last several months. Most of it is entirely unremarkable, and the only way you find out about it is from nextdoor posts, the neighborhood FB group, the notice on the door of the taco place, and hearing your friend go on about their friend’s visa problems and how they’re getting ready to move “back home”. Some of it is turning up in the real estate listings and discussions, if you know what you’re looking at.
Very little of it is making the news because we don’t have squadrons of rape-whistle players and megaphone shriekers. Possibly, it’s because we already live in a fascist state where everyone is terrified to get out and exercise their divinely-granted right to keep the residents awake all night, drive away customers from local businesses, set fires in the streets, block traffic, litter, and harass cops.
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LOL ;-D
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Stringer Bell, you seem to be one of the few people on this Blog with some basic critical thinking skills. Kudos for that.
And yes, this situation in Minneapolis is just a show for the base, but the show is not going as planned
It’s just a show. He’s not going to massively deport anyone, he wants the cheap labor. He’s a real-estate developer and an oligarch.
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So you do want mass deportations? Or you don’t?
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Doesn’t matter what we want. What matters is what Trump wants. And he doesn’t want mass deportations.
Immigration was basically the #1 issue he ran on, so DHS should be the most important department for actually delivering on that promise. That’s a massive, once-in-a-generation task. And who does he put in charge of it? A bimbo named Kristi Noem.
The second most important position to carry out his domestic agenda is attorney general. Who does he put in charge? A bimbo named Pam Bondi.
Head of the FBI? The man in charge, another fucking retard.
This is not someone who wants to solve problems.
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Very succinctly put Stringer Bell 🙂
I hadn’t thought too much about this angle but he does seem to have put widely incompetent people in law enforcement, where as foreign policy (Rubio) and others (Bessent) he seems to have at least professional people in charge. Does seem almost like he’s self-sabotaging his own immigration policies with these clowns. He seems to be doing a 180 right now though, and fired that disgusting vile liar Bovino, hope he purges the rest. They’re really terrible people and doing serious damage to his immigration policy.
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Hmmm, okay, so now you support deporting illegal aliens?
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People support in theory but the way it actually looks displeases them so they don’t really support it.
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Sorry Kid, but suicidal empathy is obviously killing both your country and my own.
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Yes. Unfortunately, this is where we are.
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Kid, this is not my first rodeo, I saw this kind of lefty violent BS in the 70’s. Have faith, Minnesota just blinked and started arresting the would-be insurrectionists.
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Let’s be honest. You wouldn’t support mass deportations no matter who was in charge because mass deportations always mean unpleasantness, violence, protests, people wailing, trying to run away. There’s no competence in existence that can provide sweet, kind, very pleasant mass deportations. The real stumbling block is that Americans don’t really want mass deportations. They want a happy pill that somehow magically solves the problem with smiles, kindness and generalized pleasantness.
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“Court Affirms Ruling That Alina Habba Served Unlawfully as U.S. Attorney
The Justice Department lost a bid to challenge a decision that had found Ms. Habba was serving unlawfully as New Jersey’s top federal prosecutor.”
“Lindsey Halligan is no longer employed by the Justice Department after her departure from Virginia U.S. attorney’s office
Halligan, who had no prosecutorial experience, stepped down from her post in the Eastern District of Virginia after a judge ruled she was “masquerading” as U.S. attorney.”
Continuing Stringer Bells’ thread on how incompetent the people Trump is putting in charge of law enforcement. This is probably one of the most disappointing developments of his presidency to far, he has put a bunch of bimbo’s in charge of law enforcement and they’re losing on every front.
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Am I supposed to take ICE clownery seriously?
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Most immigration enforcement that’s going on right now does not involve ICE showing up at anybody’s door. It looks more like: they got a notice that the system wasn’t going to overlook their illegal status anymore, their employer received a strongly-worded letter and they no longer have a job, they suddenly needed an immigration attorney, FHA called and said they would no longer overlook their mortgage payment delinquency and were getting ready for foreclosure… some of these have simply packed up and left (did they leave the country, or did they just head to CA? Who knows?), and some are still making decisions and arrangements. We are personally acquainted with one family in this situation: “the app” they had used to enter the country was turned off. They are scrambling to figure out if they should collect their resources and go home (it is awkward as the wife is pregnant, and due any day now: they are trying to delay as long as possible to avoid traveling in that condition), or collect their resources and risk them on a lawyer. Given the priorities of ICE at the moment (they are not gangbangers, just regular people), it seems likely they’ll be able to wait at least a few months until traveling isn’t so risky.
I’m sympathetic: I wish their situation wasn’t so stressful– heckuva time to be caught up in geopolitics. But also: I’ve had a baby outside my home country and I’m not horrified by the idea of going back to where you have relatives and family support when you have a new baby. Unless your family is really execrable, it’s generally for the best. I’ve done it. I did it because our visa was expiring, we didn’t want to be there illegally, and because a new baby is crazy stressful, and being in a foreign country magnifies that in so many ways.
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LOL
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As I was saying…
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It’s a democracy. There are huge, loud demonstrations against deportations. And zero demonstrations or anything at all in favor. Nobody is going out to form a protective barrier for the ICE officers. Nobody is bringing them hot coffee or offering any community support. If nobody wants deportations, then fine, there are no deportations. We can all follow the Canada model.
People show up for the results they want. Nobody shows up for deportations.
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Are you kidding me? Forming a protective barrier for armed officers? We wanted deportations and we voted for it. We did our job. Now it’s on the people we elected to hold their end of the bargain. That’s how it works.
This is amazing levels of cope I’m witnessing. Apparently our fragile administration needs hugs and hot chocolate to do their jobs. Maybe thank-you cards scribbled in crayon? Maybe trump can pass an executive order mandating kindergarteners all over the country to mail one in every morning before recess.
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Our opponents don’t think that voting is enough. They show up, protest, hold the line, make noise. They put in the work and end up winning. That’s how it works. They are winning because they put themselves on the line.
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They actually do. When Biden was in power, did they protest in the streets demanding retribution for Jan 6? Nope. They stayed at home, sipping hot chocolate, confident that the administration they voted for would do the rest. And it did. The indictments dropped literally days later. That’s what a competent administration does.
I’m shocked this even needs to be said. People put their lives on their line against a government they oppose, NOT when they party they voted for is the one actually in power.
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Possibly, but I would bet that white working class men and their wives want every damn one of them all out ;-D
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Hope they’re doing this as a workaround to charge them in a different way. If not, LOL.
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Don Lemon can’t be charged for this, it’s a waste of time even to bring him up. The others, maybe an extremely inventive lawyer and an exceptionally friendly judge can cobble together a couple of misdemeanors. But people are not realistic if they expect anything like prison sentences on this. I’d let this go because it’s a waste of energy.
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Ask yourself if the administration would’ve withdrawn the case if this were a synagogue.
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