Courtship Rituals

Young people have been given no guidelines on how to engage in courtship:

It is absolutely true that women don’t schlep to dates unless the venue is somewhere in front of the house where they live. It is insulting to a woman to expect her to cab it over to the date.

It is also absolutely true that women don’t ask men to send Ubers to pick them up like they are prostitutes. It is insulting to a man to demand that he treat you like an employee of an escort company.

The way it’s supposed to be done is that the man comes to the woman’s house, picks her up, and together they go to wherever the date is. After the date, he brings her back.

Most importantly, when everybody knows how these rituals are supposed to work, people can avoid these uncomfortable conversations and not feel humiliated by them.

I know how all of this is supposed to work because somebody told me. Why is nobody telling these young people?

18 responses to “Courtship Rituals”

  1. xykademiqz Avatar

    The world in which we dated, where you first got to know someone before actually going out with them or they were at the very least known to your friends/family, is not the world where current 20 and 30-year-olds date. It’s a really bad idea to have an unknown man pick you up from your home. Online dating basically brings complete strangers together, and based on what the women I know who are on the apps tell me, you don’t even give your actual phone number (i.e., everything is through the apps) until a couple of dates in, let alone get picked up from your home. Usually people will drive separately or Uber separately to the restaurant for the first however many dates. The fact she’s asking for him to pay for her Uber isn’t unheard of; it falls under her expectation that he will pay for everything sight unseen and irrespective of her (dis)interest. He does seem a bit turned off by her request, or most likely wasn’t particularly interested to begin with.

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  2. oldcowboy3 Avatar
    oldcowboy3

    Yeah Kid, I’ve been hesitant to suggest your fond courting beliefs are rapidly becoming just as old fashioned as my own ;-D

    The one nephew that I am still hope to salvage, just sent me this, still chewing on it:

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    Anonymous

    The problem is they’re meeting on some app, and going out to dinner with a total stranger. Security issues.

    This is not insurmountable: it’s weird that people have forgotten how to meet up at public places and arrange their own transport.

    ethyl

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      Anonymous

      Cheap booze and dim lighting, that’s the secret. And always remember, a 2 at 10 is a 10 at 2.

      Walnut

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    2. Clarissa Avatar

      If he’s an evil rapist, he can send a car to take her to whatever place. Anybody can pose as an Uber driver.

      Also, I’m not seeing much of a difference in safety between meeting online and meeting at a bar.

      I met my husband online, at a discussion forum. He did not suggest sending a car for me because, and I insist, this is what you do for hookers.

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      1. Clarissa Avatar

        I also want to add that if the guy agrees to door dash the woman to wherever he wants her to be and then pays for a meal, of course he will expect sex. The woman will pretend that she doesn’t understand, and that’s how we ended up with #MeToo.

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        Anonymous

        The video reminds me of Chesterton fence.
        clarissa what was the context of your first in person meeting?
        A

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        1. Clarissa Avatar

          He was a long-time reader and a fan of my writing.

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            Anonymous

            Thank you

            this, which while is technically meeting “online,” is very very different than meeting after a few texts on a dating app

            A.

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            1. Clarissa Avatar

              I guess but on the other hand, he never commented on the forum. He knew about me but I had zero information about him. Other than that he was Russian which almost made me not go to meet him. 😀😀

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    Anonymous

    when my daughter dated from an app she met people in neutral spaces during the day not too far from home. When she knew someone better she’d consider getting picked up. That only happened after 4-5 dates with one person. Then she met the boy from church.

    A

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      Anonymous

      Went out on a couple dates with a guy I knew only very casually– same deal, we met up places that were nearby, or easy to access from public transit. Then he asked me to go to a restaurant that was attached to a hotel (remember when that was a thing?) and to pick me up in his car. I declined because I didn’t know him well enough to know if that was OK or not.

      That was over 20 years ago. I get that things have changed but… it seems like either people are making it harder than it needs to be, or people want it to be harder than it is so they can complain.

      ethyl

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      1. Clarissa Avatar

        https://x.com/i/status/2082824488391983118

        This is how it’s done in the 3rd world. I wonder who’s pushing this in America.

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          Anonymous

          “who’s pushing this in America”

          Women in search of sugar daddies.

          I mean, look at that account:

          https://x.com/martyrdison

          Professional engagement farmer there.

          ethyl

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          Anonymous

          It’s exactly like ten thousand other “I’m too hot to date poor men: buy me expensive things and I’ll do you” accounts.

          ethyl

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          1. cliff arroyo Avatar

            ” ten thousand other “I’m too hot to date poor men”

            The vvhore economy… why does every single thing now seem so awful and degraded?

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              Anonymous

              If you get paid for engagement numbers, then it pays to aim for the lowest, most animal sort of engagement.

              ethyl

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            2. Clarissa Avatar

              Yes, it’s as if a fountain of sticky vulgarity broke from the depths of the earth and started gushing into the environment.

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