Yesterday Serbs unveiled the new monument to. . . Gavrilo Princip in Belgrade:
Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic described Princip as a freedom fighter and a hero.
Serbia’s nation-building (which has caused a shitload of problems to the world as it is) still takes the weirdest forms imaginable. If I’m not mistaken, Serbia wants to be part of the EU, so it’s quite bizarre to glorify Princip in this context. Obviously, Princip did not start WWI, yet there is nothing he is known for better than creating a pretext for the horrible carnage.
IME Serbs are quite proud of Princip and don’t care about the non-Serb death toll of WWI at all. In their view it helped the Serbs and that’s all they care about.
AFAICT Serbian nationalism is perhaps the most infantile on the planet (though Croatian nationalism is not terribly far behind).
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“Serbian nationalism is perhaps the most infantile on the planet”
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Yes, but their leaders are such big asses they figure they can straddle both chairs. 😉
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“Yes, but their leaders are such big asses they figure they can straddle both chairs.”
🙂 🙂 🙂 Very true.
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”In their view it helped the Serbs and that’s all they care about”
-I cannot believe my eyes reading this?! For gods sake, Serbs ended up having more than 1 000 000 dead and even more wounded or cripled for the lifetime on their side during WWI, or – in other words – a half of their entire population by that time!!! What a tremendous benefit!!!
As for Princip, it takes just a sketchy, superficial overview on his biography to realize that he was everything but a Serbian nationalist. He was a member of ‘Young Bosnia’, a truly multinational and multicultural organization (among other members, there was Ivo Andrić, natural born Croat, later a winner of The Nobel Prize For Literature). Just go to Wikipedia and you can read that Pricip’s attack happened to be the second one commited against Franz Ferdinand the very same day: the preceding, unsuccesful bomb attack, had been commited by a Muslim and a Croat, both of whom got caught after their failure in commiting suicide and later undergone to a bestial torture on the purpose of revealing the names of their companions, on which subject they let not a single word escape their mouth. The funniest thing is that, later, Princip was denounced by a Serbian member of the group, who accidentaly got cought.
All of this makes me wonder what kind of bullshit I would have read from you, guys, if the first of the attacks happened to be the succesfull one?
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All of this is very well-known to everybody (except the part where you assign the label “multicultural” to people who lived long before the term arrived at today’s saccharine usage). I’m not sure what your outrage is about. Are you disputing that the statue has been erected? If not, then what are you disputing?
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Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but : was all of this about promoting Serbian nationalism and using Princip in that purpose?
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“Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but : was all of this about promoting Serbian nationalism and using Princip in that purpose?”
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Though my first comment wasn’t primally addressed on you, but on the guy
whose words I quoted at the beginning of my comment, these words are sent directly to you:
I strongly disagree with you on this subject (and not just this).
Princip and Serbian nationalism go hand-in-hand the same way a salt and a wound do.
It can be discussed about some kind of ‘Yougoslav nationalism’ (which is,
by the way, the oxymoron) when you have Princip in mind, and that’s the point
where all the connections stop. Both Serbian president and prime minister were the members
(even the leaders) of the ultra-nationalistic (maybe pro-fashistic) Radical Party
Of Serbia for a pretty long time (which is the thing they don’t like to be reminded of,
at least not very often) and that’s the political party which cultivate the ideas totally opposite to the ones ‘Young Bosnia’ had fought for.
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“Princip and Serbian nationalism go hand-in-hand the same way a salt and a wound do.”
“Both Serbian president and prime minister were the members (even the leaders) of the ultra-nationalistic (maybe pro-fashistic) Radical Party Of Serbia for a pretty long time (which is the thing they don’t like to be reminded of, at least not very often) and that’s the political party which cultivate the ideas totally opposite to the ones ‘Young Bosnia’ had fought for.”
In short, it is completely irrelevant what Princip did or did not believe 100 years ago. The only thing that matters are the meanings that have come to be linked to his name.
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Tell it to the people who put up the statue or the Serbs who keep his ‘hero’ myth alive (or the online idiot who gloated about how he made Europe pay for slighting Serbian national ambitions).
“natural born Croat”
And you cannot imagine how little I care about the micro-differences between Serbs, Croats and Bosnians (and now Montenegrins) who working together with nationalistic idiocy in their hearts managed to dismember a major European language and turn it into a bunch of micro-dialects no one in their right mind cares about.
I’ve known and liked a number of people from former Jugoslav countries but they would have been better off staying one country.
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The real instigator was the head of the Serbian Secret Service, code name ‘Apis’ who funneled the money to the Black Hand. He died before a firing squad for his pains. They probably don’t like too much about him.
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Serbia had a booming rock music scene in the 1970s evidently.
http://www.aftersabbath.com/2015/06/120-serbia.html
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I liked a lot of the Jugoslav popular culture I came across, but I have excedingly little interest in post Jugoslav culture.
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I’LL PLACE THE COMMENT OF ANONYMOUS HERE BECAUSE WORDPRESS CUTS IT IN HALF VERTICALLY AND I WANT IT TO SHOW IN FULL:
Though my first comment wasn’t primally addressed on you, but on the guy
whose words I quoted at the beginning of my comment, these words are sent directly to you:
I strongly disagree with you on this subject (and not just this).
Princip and Serbian nationalism go hand-in-hand the same way a salt and a wound do.
It can be discussed about some kind of ‘Yougoslav nationalism’ (which is,
by the way, the oxymoron) when you have Princip in mind, and that’s the point
where all the connections stop. Both Serbian president and prime minister were the members
(even the leaders) of the ultra-nationalistic (maybe pro-fashistic) Radical Party
Of Serbia for a pretty long time (which is the thing they don’t like to be reminded of,
at least not very often) and that’s the political party which cultivate the ideas totally opposite to the ones ‘Young Bosnia’ had fought for.
showing their new ‘Europian, anti-nationalistic, anti-hegemonic’ face to the world
wich was, like it or not, the face ‘Young Bosnia’ had.
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But, what makes you think the ideas of Serbian nationalism have ever been linked to Princip’s name? By the time WWI began, Serbia had already reached it’s full independence, but Bosnia didn’t exist at all, not even as a topic (except in a geographic sense). There was, literally, not a single university in that part of Austro-Hungarian Empire, they only had high-schools, teaching German language, history, culture…I read your blog-posts every day, Clarissa, and I can see that you are strongly devoted to literature, so I can recommend to you reading Petar Kocic, the famous Bosnian writer of that time, and his story ‘Badger before the court’, it tells very much of the position of Serbs, Croats and Muslims living in Hungarian Empire that time.
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“But, what makes you think the ideas of Serbian nationalism have ever been linked to Princip’s name? ”
“I read your blog-posts every day, Clarissa”
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”Can you think of any other reason the statue was erected?”
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We probably simply have a different definition of the word “nationalism.” Because everything you describe I call nationalism. 🙂
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