Nope, IS considers anyone not part of IS not to be Muslim.
In other news: That Syrian passport is fakety fake
I was beginning to wonder how the hell passports even survive being exploded, and how actual refugees traveling on boats fleeing from bombs have time to pack their passports.
Ever since European countries announced they were in the market for Syrian refugees (first Sverige then Deutschland) the production of fake Syrian passports has boomed.
A Syrian interviewed in Hungary (when they were congregated at the train station) said that from listening to others there only about 10 per cent wee speaking Syrian Arabic.
The highest percentage of actual Syrians amid the flow that I’ve seen was about 45%.
There are also a bunch of Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well who are willing to pretend they’re from Syria if it makes the European refugee consumers feel better.
Using the words “market” and “consumers” in this context makes every sense. In reality, there is no objective way to determine who is more deserving of compassion: Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Somalians, or anybody else. The whole process had turned the refugees into inhabitants of a puppy kennel where Europeans saunter, selecting the most pitifully looking creature to rescue and adopt. This is the pinnacle of consumerism. “If I pay for you, you better be pathetic enough for me to feel like I’ve got my money’s worth.”
While here, while the media has gone out of its way to show pictures of women and children in the flow, the overwhelming majority of “refugees” are young men who get very loud and aggressive when reminded of things like borders and are not shy at all about voicing their displeasure at the spartan nature of refugee centers.
Remember that the total population of Germany is about 80 million. To give you an idea of how young adult male dominated the migrants arriving are, I’ve seen one estimate that by the end of next year there will be as many fighting age young refugee men in Germany as ethnic German men of fighting age.
That’s a very scary statistic.
Another one – The population of the middle has has increased three and half times in size in 50 years. The countries are overloaded and cannot support their populations given the poor technical infrastructure and overall low social capital (crappy educational results first and foremost).
The next day, Ghaith said goodbye to his mother and his wife. He told his wife, “We won’t be apart long. I won’t change or forget you.” He was determined to give her a better life. “I do everything for her,” he told me.
Ghaith had three thousand dollars in cash, mainly in hundred-dollar bills. He hid the money in pockets that he made by cutting open the stitching on the tongues of his shoes.
Based on just this one quote, let’s just imagine how difficult it will be for Ghaith to learn to live in a society filled with women like me. And how difficult it is for women like me to accept that, after everything, after all the struggles, all the effort, this kind of discourse is, yet again, rearing its ugly head. Even more work for women because male hardship always wins the day. Yippee.
I’m guessing, though, that you are a guy and that this quote might even sound cute to you.
To support his mother, Ghaith had two part-time jobs: stocking shelves at a supermarket and making kebabs and falafel at a restaurant. In 2013, he married his high-school sweetheart. (At Ghaith’s request, her name has been withheld.) With these relationships and responsibilities, leaving seemed out of the question. Once he graduated, however, he would become eligible for conscription, and Ghaith—who was just over five feet tall, with a jockey’s physique—questioned his aptitude for combat. Speaking through a translator, he told me recently, “The thing that frightened me most was that I would become a victim of the civil war—or, even worse, a killer in it.”
His wife and his mother insisted that he follow his brother to Europe.
When he said “I do everything for her” he was saying he was taking her (and his mother’s) advice to undertake a long and perilous journey. “This is all for her.”
I can understand your interpretation, though, based on that brief quote. I didn’t want to quote too much of the article. But yes, “I do everything for her” brings up unpleasant associations of an over-controlling man. I don’t think it’s the case here.
Let’s be honest here, what is the likelihood that the wives these male refugees bring with them will work, have finances and lives of their own? We all know the answer. And we all have seen these men trying to engage, quite aggressively, with women like me while the covered wives sit at home.
” what is the likelihood that the wives these male refugees bring with them will work”
This is probably the biggest reason that muslim immigrants are such a burden on state economies in Europe, shutting off half the population from employment means there’s no way they can be non-dependent on welfare.
The fact that women are prohibited (by credible threats of violence) from marrying into the general population also restricts any possibility of integration.
\ And if you are incapable of grasping that Sunnis don’t consider Shia to be truly Muslim
I don’t understand the connection at all. If they don’t consider, must we not consider either despite how Shia define themselves and how we see them? ISIS sees only themselves as Muslim, should we adopt this view too? That “ISIS = the only real Muslims”?
I thought you were against f.e. people seeing religious fundamentalists as the only real Christians.
When ISIS kills the Shia, they kill Shia for being apostates (in their view.) Just like there is a difference between killing a woman and killing somebody because she is a woman, so here there is a crucial difference between “killing Muslims” and “killing non-Muslims.”
Or another example. Many Jews perished in Stalinist purges of 1937-9. But they weren’t killed as Jews. They were killed for occupying certain positions within the Soviet state. Referring to their deaths as “Stalin’s purges of Jews” would give an erroneous impression.
I’m all for reform. We all know how extremely beneficial the Reformation movement was for Christianity, and from the little I know, Islam would also benefit hugely from something like that. I don’t believe that such a reform would in any way modify the actions of the religious fanatics that constitute ISIS, but a reform is still a great thing.
No, it will not change the Islamic State. However, if an Islamic reformation begins and gathers sufficient momentum, then the Islamic State should have increasing difficulty in claiming that it is Islamic, as it presently does and is. It’s a long shot, of course.
That is very hopeful. I love to see how much more optimistic my older readers are than I am. This is an example for me to follow, and I say this seriously.
Lunacy is clearly not in short supply. For example, Saudi Arabia — one of the world’s most egregious violators of human rights (as well as a strong U.S. ally) — is the head of the UN Human Rights Council.
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http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-approves-billion-dollar-sale-bombs-saudi-arabia-744641028
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Nope, IS considers anyone not part of IS not to be Muslim.
In other news: That Syrian passport is fakety fake
I was beginning to wonder how the hell passports even survive being exploded, and how actual refugees traveling on boats fleeing from bombs have time to pack their passports.
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Just like the passports of many refugees. All this proves is that letting in Syrian refugees is dangerous.
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It proves that passports are losing all meaning, which is yet another sign of an erosion of the NS thing. 🙂
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Ever since European countries announced they were in the market for Syrian refugees (first Sverige then Deutschland) the production of fake Syrian passports has boomed.
A Syrian interviewed in Hungary (when they were congregated at the train station) said that from listening to others there only about 10 per cent wee speaking Syrian Arabic.
The highest percentage of actual Syrians amid the flow that I’ve seen was about 45%.
There are also a bunch of Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well who are willing to pretend they’re from Syria if it makes the European refugee consumers feel better.
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Using the words “market” and “consumers” in this context makes every sense. In reality, there is no objective way to determine who is more deserving of compassion: Syrians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Somalians, or anybody else. The whole process had turned the refugees into inhabitants of a puppy kennel where Europeans saunter, selecting the most pitifully looking creature to rescue and adopt. This is the pinnacle of consumerism. “If I pay for you, you better be pathetic enough for me to feel like I’ve got my money’s worth.”
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While here, while the media has gone out of its way to show pictures of women and children in the flow, the overwhelming majority of “refugees” are young men who get very loud and aggressive when reminded of things like borders and are not shy at all about voicing their displeasure at the spartan nature of refugee centers.
Remember that the total population of Germany is about 80 million. To give you an idea of how young adult male dominated the migrants arriving are, I’ve seen one estimate that by the end of next year there will be as many fighting age young refugee men in Germany as ethnic German men of fighting age.
That’s a very scary statistic.
Another one – The population of the middle has has increased three and half times in size in 50 years. The countries are overloaded and cannot support their populations given the poor technical infrastructure and overall low social capital (crappy educational results first and foremost).
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Interesting article on refugees:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/26/ten-borders
The next day, Ghaith said goodbye to his mother and his wife. He told his wife, “We won’t be apart long. I won’t change or forget you.” He was determined to give her a better life. “I do everything for her,” he told me.
Ghaith had three thousand dollars in cash, mainly in hundred-dollar bills. He hid the money in pockets that he made by cutting open the stitching on the tongues of his shoes.
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Based on just this one quote, let’s just imagine how difficult it will be for Ghaith to learn to live in a society filled with women like me. And how difficult it is for women like me to accept that, after everything, after all the struggles, all the effort, this kind of discourse is, yet again, rearing its ugly head. Even more work for women because male hardship always wins the day. Yippee.
I’m guessing, though, that you are a guy and that this quote might even sound cute to you.
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from the article:
To support his mother, Ghaith had two part-time jobs: stocking shelves at a supermarket and making kebabs and falafel at a restaurant. In 2013, he married his high-school sweetheart. (At Ghaith’s request, her name has been withheld.) With these relationships and responsibilities, leaving seemed out of the question. Once he graduated, however, he would become eligible for conscription, and Ghaith—who was just over five feet tall, with a jockey’s physique—questioned his aptitude for combat. Speaking through a translator, he told me recently, “The thing that frightened me most was that I would become a victim of the civil war—or, even worse, a killer in it.”
His wife and his mother insisted that he follow his brother to Europe.
When he said “I do everything for her” he was saying he was taking her (and his mother’s) advice to undertake a long and perilous journey. “This is all for her.”
I can understand your interpretation, though, based on that brief quote. I didn’t want to quote too much of the article. But yes, “I do everything for her” brings up unpleasant associations of an over-controlling man. I don’t think it’s the case here.
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Let’s be honest here, what is the likelihood that the wives these male refugees bring with them will work, have finances and lives of their own? We all know the answer. And we all have seen these men trying to engage, quite aggressively, with women like me while the covered wives sit at home.
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” what is the likelihood that the wives these male refugees bring with them will work”
This is probably the biggest reason that muslim immigrants are such a burden on state economies in Europe, shutting off half the population from employment means there’s no way they can be non-dependent on welfare.
The fact that women are prohibited (by credible threats of violence) from marrying into the general population also restricts any possibility of integration.
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@owillis
if only we had a seasonally appropriate story about middle eastern people seeking refuge being turned away by the heartless
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If there is demand, there will surely be supply. Christmas is coming, and this sounds like a perfect Christmas tale.
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\ And if you are incapable of grasping that Sunnis don’t consider Shia to be truly Muslim
I don’t understand the connection at all. If they don’t consider, must we not consider either despite how Shia define themselves and how we see them? ISIS sees only themselves as Muslim, should we adopt this view too? That “ISIS = the only real Muslims”?
I thought you were against f.e. people seeing religious fundamentalists as the only real Christians.
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When ISIS kills the Shia, they kill Shia for being apostates (in their view.) Just like there is a difference between killing a woman and killing somebody because she is a woman, so here there is a crucial difference between “killing Muslims” and “killing non-Muslims.”
Or another example. Many Jews perished in Stalinist purges of 1937-9. But they weren’t killed as Jews. They were killed for occupying certain positions within the Soviet state. Referring to their deaths as “Stalin’s purges of Jews” would give an erroneous impression.
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Here, in the interest of suggesting that there is at least a modicum of sanity remaining, is a link to an article about Muslims who think that the Islamic State is Islamic and want to reform Islam so that it no longer is.
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I’m all for reform. We all know how extremely beneficial the Reformation movement was for Christianity, and from the little I know, Islam would also benefit hugely from something like that. I don’t believe that such a reform would in any way modify the actions of the religious fanatics that constitute ISIS, but a reform is still a great thing.
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No, it will not change the Islamic State. However, if an Islamic reformation begins and gathers sufficient momentum, then the Islamic State should have increasing difficulty in claiming that it is Islamic, as it presently does and is. It’s a long shot, of course.
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That is very hopeful. I love to see how much more optimistic my older readers are than I am. This is an example for me to follow, and I say this seriously.
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