Male Suffering

Julio Llamazares is a famous Spanish writer. In Spain, writers participate a lot in public life and write for newspapers and magazines on the most pressing political issues all the time.

Today, Llamazares decided to publish a piece on mass sexual assaults in Cologne. After outlining his disgust with everybody who suggested that there might have been refugees among the rapists, Llamazares finally had to recognize that yes, actually, many of the rapists were refugees. The writer honestly and unashamedly relates what his reaction to this information was:

When the news coming from Germany begin to confirm that there were, indeed, recently arrived refugees among those who sexually assaulted women in Cologne, like many other people I feel frustration. What are we now going to say to everybody who refuses to accept in our countries the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing hunger and war?

The writer doesn’t even try to fake any concern for the victims of the assaults. Women are erased from his narrative completely, and their suffering does not touch him in the least. All he cares about is that these annoying, pesky women with their stupid little problems will now get in the way of male suffering being alleviated.

This is male solidarity in action, people. Llamazares is a talented writer, deeply sensitive to human suffering, but all that goes out of the window the second he feels that the interests of some men somewhere might be compromised for the sake of acknowledging the interests of women. Llamazares is not some raging male chauvinist. He is not even remotely one of the men who actively hate women. His readiness to sacrifice women to help out other men is simply so natural to him that he doesn’t question it.

I know that many people will feel tempted to tell me that “not all men.” Yes, I know that not all men. If you read this blog, you are probably not like this, great. But if Llamazares’s approach were not predominant, the situation in Cologne would not have even happened in the first place. The only reason why women’s rights were not the central subject of discussion when the decision was made to bring over to Germany a million men from anti-women countries is precisely that so many men (and women who interiorized the narrative of their own subservience) refused even to consider that alleviating male suffering should not be done at the cost of flushing women’s rights down the toilet.

For people who see women’s rights as important, the number one question when we had when hearing the news of open borders for refugees was, “Wait, but what will this mean for women’s rights?” For everybody else, the question doesn’t arise even after dozens of women get brutalized. And while women sit there, staring at what is happening in disbelief or constructing servile systems of excuses for the rapists, all of the achievements of the women’s movement are being thrown out into the trash.

50 thoughts on “Male Suffering

  1. Both men and women have been writing about the Islamisation of Germany and other European nations. Often, the focus has been on the rights women are denied in Islamic cultures and are increasingly denied is western cultures with substantial and growing numbers of Muslim immigrants. For doing so, they are damned by “moderate” Muslims — particularly President Obama’s friends at the Council on American – Islamic Relations (CAIR) and others.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of those so attacked.

    Why? And why does Obama support the foes of women’s rights under Islam rather than those who want women (and men as well) to have full human rights? Why are Saudi Arabia and now Iran — which seem to compete for the title of worst human rights offender on the planet — still our allies?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEpMfYDUahA

    The fight for human rights needs to encompass those of both men and women. Neither are more or less important than the other.

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  2. To be humanitarian, we are not obliged to take refugees. Nor is it the case that the people of those broken nations don’t have an obligation to deal with their own crises. It’s patronizing and infantalizing to act on the entire issue as the media and elite have framed it.

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  3. The only reason why women’s rights were not the central subject of discussion when the decision was made to bring over to Germany a million men from anti-women countries is precisely that so many men (and women who interiorized the narrative of their own subservience) refused even to consider that alleviating male suffering should not be done at the cost of flushing women’s rights down the toilet.
    I honestly don’t think anyone even got to the “yes but” stage. Nobody in public discourse raised this issue prior to the decision, AFAIK.

    All this talk of “refugees/not refugees” ignores the fact that it serves nobody to let this go unaddressed. Ostensibly, the refugees are all fleeing war zones and are attracted by the relative safety of these host nations. One measure of safety is how a wide variety of people can walk down the street any time without problems. If there’s a place where women can walk down the street drunk at 3 am without running into problems, shouldn’t we all work to preserve that even if neither you nor any woman you care about would ever do that? If a place is this safe, it definitely cuts down on the “I must fight dudes in this place to defend my male honor” even if they’re by themselves and not with any women in public.

    I’m surprised there are no condescending psychologists telling refugees they aren’t in a war zone any more so they should stop trying to emulate these conditions as a way of exorcising their trauma. :/ (“But I don’t feel safe unless the women are inside because it’s not like home. Aaagh.”)

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  4. What will / would happen if crowds of refugees / other migrants attack/ed European men like happened with women in Cologne? Don’t European men end up robbed and attacked too, in the end, in this kind of reality? Looks to me that the attacks on men (like on firefighters, police and sometimes medics) are ignored too, even more than attacks on women.

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      1. \ Yes, what about the menz? :-)))) Come on, let’s be serious here.

        I am very serious. The first in line are Jews of both genders, but they won’t be the last. Here – refugees attack a man and nobody cares:

        ‘Two refugees, one from Syria and one from Afghanistan, are accused of insulting, assaulting, and robbing…’

        A Jewish man from France, wearing a kippa / yarmulke, was attacked and insulted in a ferry/train station in Puttgarden, in the far north of Germany. Two men approached him, calling him a ‘Jew’ and insulting him. Then they threw him to the ground, stomped on his hand, and stole his bag, containing cash, his EC card, and train ticket. Fortunately, they could later be identified and arrested near their residence in Neumünster.
        http://www.germanimmigration.eu/2016/01/man-beaten-and-robbed-in-anti-semitic-attack-in-germany-nobody-cares.html

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        1. \ I am very serious. The first in line are Jews of both genders, but they won’t be the last.

          I should have said:

          ” I am very serious. The first in line are women and Jews of both genders, but they won’t be the last. “

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    1. PHMT, el? Really???
      No women are ever firefighters, police and sometimes medics in Germany?

      While there are situations where this might apply, I don’t think this is one of them.

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      1. \ PHMT, el? Really???
        No women are ever firefighters, police and sometimes medics in Germany?

        I haven’t said that. Based on what I read about happenings in several EU countries, both genders in those professions get attacked. And I think there are much much more male firefighters than female ones. If I am wrong, tell me.

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        1. It’s interesting how the thread on the privileging of male suffering slides towards privileging male suffering even in a discussion of gang rape of 80 women by a 1,000 men.

          Is there anything that can happen to a woman that doesn’t immediately get overshadowed by the need to service, protect and comfort men?

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          1. Has it occurred to you that men and women are equally human and have equal rights to be dealt with humanely? Or that more men might support the rights of women (many already do) if “feminists” were equally interested in the rights of both men and women? Men and women are in this mess together. Until we realize that, the situation will continue to deteriorate.

            Islamists are the worst current violators of the rights of both men and women. Saudi Arabia and Iran come immediately to mind, but the same is true of most others. Why don’t more “feminists” contest President Obama’s repeated assertions that Islam is the religion of peace, tolerance and human rights? Have they been asleep recently and hence remain unaware of who has been doing what in Europe? How about Obama’s repeated assertions that the Islamic State, et al do vile things and are, therefore, not Islamic?

            According to Daniel Greenfield, with whom I frequently but not always agree, the Muslim Brotherhood is, long term, more dangerous that the Islamic State. Here’s a recent video explaining why. I find his speech sometimes hard to understand, but it’s worth trying.

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            1. “Has it occurred to you that men and women are equally human and have equal rights to be dealt with humanely? ”

              • Nobody is arguing with this. But in Montreal where I lived and where a large Middle Eastern immigrant community lives, it’s a lot harder to be a woman than a man. The kind of harassment I had to experience from these immigrants was not anything any man I know there had to experience. There is no country I’m aware of at all where massive street harassment of men happens. There is no country I have visited or any culture I have heard of where men would be afraid to go outside without being molested, groped, grabbed and assaulted. For women, such countries are the world’s large majority.

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              1. “Or that more men might support the rights of women (many already do) if “feminists” were equally interested in the rights of both men and women?”

                • By the way, the only people who fight for fathers’ rights are actually feminists. And the only places in the world where fathers’ rights are protected are countries where strong feminists movements have made that happened. And the moment it becomes uncomfortable for men to leave their houses because crowds of crazed women roam the streets and grab their privates, I promise that, as a feminist, I will do all I can to denounce that and make it stop.

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            2. Has it occurred to you that men and women are equally human and have equal rights to be dealt with humanely?
              It doesn’t seem to occur to you. You seem to think “focusing on women” for a minute is “Clarissa doesn’t believe women and men are equally human”

              Or that more men might support the rights of women (many already do) if “feminists” were equally interested in the rights of both men and women?

              No fault divorce, marital rape laws, expanded access to contraception have done wonders for male life expectancy across the board, which were primarily fought for by female feminists, not whiny men who complain “What about the men? What about my dinner?What about my FEEEELINGS? What about my needs? Why are you spending more time on your needs and concerns and not mine? Let’s get back to what I want to talk about, which is which flavor of Islamists are more dangerous and scary so I can club a politician who I politically disagree with on almost everything.” — your post.

              You are proving Clarissa’s assertions in spades.

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              1. You managed to write about lots of stuff, mentioning Islam only to disregard it. Unfortunately, that’s the usual way to deal with it.

                Perhaps you will find this article on how “feminism” failed the women of Cologne and elsewhere in Europe.

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    2. “Don’t European men end up robbed and attacked too, in the end, in this kind of reality? Looks to me that the attacks on men (like on firefighters, police and sometimes medics)”

      A kind of big difference is that when male police, firefighters etc (a large majority of both in Europe are male) are attacked they’re attacked as representatives of state power, representives a social and political system that young muslim men in Europe despise (yet won’t leave).

      Women are attacked for being in public and not being covered up and/or escorted by their male owners.

      There’s a video I can’t find now of a German school administrator (female) talking to young muslim men (mainly Albanian and Turkish) born in Germany. They treat her with open contempt and laugh at her pronouncements of gender equality – it’s a direct contradiction to what their fathers say and they’re going to side with their father over this outsider.

      There’s also the film of a “refugee” unhappy with his breakfast in Finnland (they’re given standard institutional fare). He pronounces it unfit for a man, saying it’s food for a dog or a woman….

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      1. A kind of big difference is that when male police, firefighters etc (a large majority of both in Europe are male) are attacked they’re attacked as representatives of state power, representives a social and political system that young muslim men in Europe despise (yet won’t leave).

        Women are attacked for being in public and not being covered up and/or escorted by their male owners.

        Representatives of state power, especially police have greater leeway to use force in defense of themselves and others. Notably absent from the mayor of Cologne’s tips, is a reassurance that if you use force in self defense you’ll not be held to a higher standard. In part I think it’s because Europeans have less free access to weapons, and she doesn’t to appear to sanction retaliatory violence, but also women don’t have have as much societal sanction to use force in general.

        I am very serious. The first in line are women and Jews of both genders, but they won’t be the last. “
        The above , I think also applies to Jewish people in Europe and is a function of anti-Semitism.

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  5. Maybe this is part of the plan? If we assume there is a reason these people were allowed into Germany then the idea of collapsing the welfare state by overburdening it with a large underclass that wont’ integrate (the same way elephants won’t fly) but which most people are afraid to criticise is certainly up there.

    I kind of halfway joked that brown men were being used (by a variety of actors ) to keep white women in line and now I’m not so sure that’s not the case.

    The reason is why? One of the reasons the 1960s feminist movement was so successful was that many of their goals were actually well aligned with those of corporate interests – increasing the workforce and consumption.

    Maybe the entirely predictable effects for women are also intended? But how does this serve the exterritorials? by making it harder for locals to organize against them?

    Your thoughts?

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    1. I’m starting to suspect this, too! Thank you for mentioning this because I was beginning to feel like a conspiracy theorist. But I do feel like the effect these policies have on women’s rights is not accidental.

      And you are right, feminism and capitalism absolutely go hand in hand on their development. I need to write a separate post on how the transformation of capital changes feminism.

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      1. Puts tinfoil hat on

        Women’s participation in the workforce also coincides with their increased educational attainment. Is it really a coincidence that the value of education goes down the more that women and visible minorities, access it? Could it be a subconscious way of reducing competition for the better paying jobs? A lot of this nostalgia for better days, in America at least, for better working conditions and better pay coincides with the denial of these conditions to women of all races and visible minorities. Perhaps this “yes butting” of very serious public safety problems is a way for educated men of all races to reduce their likely competition in an era of liquid capital and fluid borders. There are certain parts of the world to which I will not take a job in no matter how well it pays, and I suspect that list is longer for women than for men. Capital cooperates because it’s a reliable way of depressing the mobility, leverage and mobility of half the potential workforce.

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  6. I am not sure it is a conspiracy to change society in order to subdue women but I am surprised by how little we need to change a society in order to change how it treats women. In the last year they have added another 2% to the population in Germany and suddenly it seems like a tipping point has been reached.

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    1. This is precisely why I always say that the veneer of civilization is very thin. Pro-women gains are very tenuous. It will take very little to destroy the achievements in the areas of women’s rights and gay rights. Very very little.

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    1. Be not concerned. Perceived problems are often just imaginary.

      Rich societies that don’t remember what it means to have actual problems will always find a fresh tale of imaginary terror to titillate the sated consumers.

      This young Muslim woman may have thought that, at first. Then, she was raped and murdered.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-H5_p-SxzM&bpctr=1452713625

      According to the blurb at the end of the video,

      This Muslim woman was raped and beheaded by men she danced in front of. This video shows how vulnerable Westernised women are living amongst Muslim men. What happened in Cologne is just the start of the suffering of once free and liberated women.</blockquote

      Perhaps those murdered in San Bernardino and elsewhere by fans of the (Non-Islamic) Islamic State also considered the problems flowing from Islamism imaginary.

      Shirley Surely, there few real terror-related problems; it’s merely our imaginations acting up.

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      1. Clarissa, el, everyone else:

        All links are do not link urls.

        Please note some of the descriptions of videos on that (Final Call Film) that danmillerinpanama has linked to and what he has conveniently omitted when he has linked a snuff film.

        1)New World Order, White Genocide, Refugee Crisis.
        2) Jews Declare War…on Everyone.

        The blurb on that one is:
        Part 1 of Jews Declare War……..on everyone!

        Part 2 of Jews Declare War….on everyone!

        Hear from the horse’s mouth what Jews think of white Christians and what their intentions are for all races on Earth other than their race.

        Comment: Final Call Film posted 1 week ago
        Make white babies and lots of them!

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        1. Hey, danmiller is telling it like it is, just like his idol Trump. Don’t like racist, anti-semitic filth? What are you, some kind of PC social justice warrior?

          Insert old, hacky jokes about trigger warnings and safe spaces.

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        2. The link for Final Call Film does not work. When tried, it reports

          Something went wrong
          There is no website at “hvhdchannel”.
          Please go back and try again.

          What are you trying to suggest?

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          1. Shakti made an error in posting the link. This is the youtube channel that uploaded the film you so proudly posted.

            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCObZj-i35G_NYyNaKP0Y22Q

            Other movies that are also featured on this youtube channel:

            WHITE GENOCIDE -Quotes – Part 2
            WHITE GENOCIDE – Quotes – Part 1
            Jews Declare War…….on everyone! Part 1
            Jews Declare War……on everyone! Part 2
            FINAL CALL – Refugee crisis, new world order, white genocide

            What I’m trying to say is that the kind of ‘discussion’ you desire may not be found here. Try Stormfront.

            But then, if you and el continue your valiant efforts, maybe this comments section of this blog will end up looking like Stormfront anyway.

            MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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              1. “I got the video from the video page but not the channel” is not some kind of defense. It’s risible that someone who claims elite legal education and undergraduate education and claims to write some stupid right wing column can’t even ascertain what I did in about two minutes.

                To be honest, I have no interest in watching videos from Stormfront like channels let alone ones I would need a Google account to view. Because you decided to link to a video from that channel, I question the credibility of ALL of the videos you like to embed. Let me guess, these videos you’ve just embedded you’ve already used or are going to use for some post on your website? Such self promotion, so much wow. Not only do I think the credibility of your videos is nonexistent, I now suspect those links because you use them.

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    2. Another brilliant site you’ve discovered. Was the website that published the ‘Arabs prey on innocent jewish girls.html’ article down?

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  7. \ Another brilliant site you’ve discovered. Was the website that published the ‘Arabs prey on innocent jewish girls.html’ article down?

    🙂 Believe or not, I don’t always link only to websites I read regularly (or at all). I followed the link from comments section on another site and linked the article here because of seeing BKA’s reaction of mentioning new Arab term for the attacks. I didn’t even look at other articles on that site. However, after your comments and looking at the site closer, I decided to check the info by reading the German source (via Google Translate) and then looking at that English article again. As far as I could see, that English website is extreme but this reporting is truthful. Here is a quote from a German site:

    \ The BKA know from some Arab countries, the phenomenon of jointly committed sexual harassment of women in public. This type of crime will be there as “taharrush gameâ called” (Community sexual harassment).

    In German:

    \ Das BKA kenne aus einigen arabischen Ländern das Phänomen der gemeinschaftlich begangenen sexuellen Belästigung von Frauen in der Öffentlichkeit. Diese Form der Kriminalität werde dort als “taharrush gamea” (gemeinschaftliche sexuelle Belästigung) bezeichnet.

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  8. Is dailymail.co.uk a Right wing and/or extreme website too? It’s a serious question. I saw this “taharrush” report there too, along with reports like:

    \ 12 January 2016 :

    Girl, 17, is ‘raped’ and her 14-year-old sister is sexually assaulted as she tried to save her when group of Syrian migrants surrounded them at German public swimming pool

    Three Syrian teenagers arrested in Munich for attack on girls at public pool

    The three boys, all aged under 15, circled the two girls then groped them

    One was arrested for rape and the other for assault, it has been reported

    It comes as concerns grow over the New Year mass assaults in Cologne
    Far right protesters vandalised ethnic shops during hate spree last night

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395924/Girl-17-raped-14-year-old-sister-sexually-assaulted-tried-save-group-Syrian-migrants-surrounded-German-public-swimming-pool.html

    The photos of smashed windows are quite shocking, especially because “Scenes of smashed windows in the city are reminiscent of the anti-Semitic Kristallnacht attacks in 1938”. Here is report with photos:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395246/Hundreds-far-right-protesters-rampage-German-town-Leipzig-destroying-ethnic-restaurants-takeaways-latest-anti-migrant-demonstrations.html

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  9. I also don’t understand this report. Clarissa, would you explain the following by immigrants’ traumatic reaction or what? This:

    France brings in bulldozers to smash a third of the Calais Jungle after migrants REFUSE to move into new £20million housing because ‘it looks like a prison camp’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395901/France-brings-bulldozers-smash-Calais-Jungle-camp-migrants-REFUSE-new-20million-housing-looks-like-prison-camp.html

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      1. \ They want real housing. If they move into the containers, they will be stuck there for the next 3 generations.

        Is there enough real housing for hundreds of thousands in Europe, in this case – in France?

        Who shall pay the bill to build this real housing and what for, if in the new liquid world the refugees (not only the locals) may move elsewhere soon? It doesn’t make sense, no matter how you look at it. I don’t understand what is French government’s problem, why it doesn’t say honestly “move here or be stuck in your present tent forever unless you earn enough money to move out.”

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        1. Here is why I keep repeating that the refugees are people, human beings. You can’t build a cow shed and expect them to be grateful. They will notice that they don’t have the lifestyle of the locals and they’ll feel resentful. Who wouldnt?

          Europeans want to play with these people like toys and then put them into toy boxes. And that’s not going to work. THESE ARE PEOPLE! ! !

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          1. Clarissa, you sound correct but seem to present only one side of “refugees are people.” What about migrants themselves arriving with realistic expectations and not expecting Europeans to baby them (economical support, etc.) till third generation and beyond? What about understanding that of course they will live much much worse than locals untill they begin earning money and supporting themselves? Israel did not help FSU immigrants half as much as those refugees seem to expect to be helped.

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            1. Talking about FSU immigrants, I have seen the anger and the resentment of “How come we don’t get a house and a car now that we are here? Why were we always told this is a paradise and now that we’ve been lured here, it turns out that life is hard and the lifestyle we saw on TV is out of our reach?”

              Where are these realistic expectations supposed to come from? People see the glitzy Hollywood images, and they think that’s what things are like. Then they hear that Frau Merkel personally invited them and see the Mayor of Montréal crawl in front of them on his knees. So they draw conclusions, who wouldn’t? And then it turns out that they had to somehow figure out that everything is actually very different.

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    1. From your article:
      1)The new facilities are located in the heart of the Jungle camp, which has ballooned in recent months and has evolved into a slum with shops, mosques and a church between the tarps and tents.

      2)Caption: Some 125 metal transport containers have been converted into heated homes, complete with power sockets, heated towel rails, toilets and washing facilities for up to 1,500 people

      3)‘We had been given a Wednesday deadline, although this timeframe is now less certain, to move and relocate approximately 2,000 refugees, including over 300 women and 60 kids,’ charity HelpRefugees UK wrote in a statement on Monday.
      ‘We are doing our utmost to ensure the safe movement of the refugees. A particular concern is the large number of women and children.
      ‘The refugees are not rejecting the new container camp. The new container camp can only accept a maximum of 55 new people per day and this is far below the numbers required. In the interim, refugees face what shelter they have being destroyed.’

      So if I understand this correctly, the camp allows the refugees some semblance of dignity (in part because maybe they constructed part of it themselves), while the shipping containers don’t (Europeans consider electricity, heat and running water necessities not luxuries, and a shipping container is used to store cargo, not humans) and the containers themselves cannot move all of the people in before the camp is destroyed, even if the refugees cooperate.

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  10. Had to post this example of a woman not caring a whit about male suffering (in a way):

    The founder of a British charity has outraged trucking chiefs by claiming lorry drivers who complain about attacks by migrants in Calais should just change jobs.

    Clare Moseley, the founder of Care4Calais, said it was ‘not the end of the world’ if the drivers were forced from their work and claimed they still had a ‘safe future’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397692/British-charity-Calais-migrants-condemned-saying-truck-drivers-complain-refugees-attacking-vehicles-change-jobs.html

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  11. “For people who see women’s rights as important, the number one question when we had when hearing the news of open borders for refugees was, “Wait, but what will this mean for women’s rights?””

    This was indeed one of the first thoughts I had on realising the size of the refugee problem. However expressing it anywhere has got me into trouble, even amongst women.

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  12. “Clarissa, you sound correct but seem to present only one side of “refugees are people.” What about migrants themselves arriving with realistic expectations and not expecting Europeans to baby them (economical support, etc.) till third generation and beyond?”

    So you read an anecdotal account of upset refugees from some neo-nazi rag or whatever filth your trawl for on the internet, and it just becomes a truism.

    Those ungrateful bastards! Wanting third generation benefits while they sit on their plush gubmint-provided sofas eating bon bons all day. Makes me so mad, I tell ya! Wish I was a Syrian refugee. Now, that’s the good life!

    Scum.

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    1. \ Wanting third generation benefits while they sit on their plush gubmint-provided sofas eating bon bons all day

      SB, your talking with projections in your head is disturbing.

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      1. Borrowing Clarissa’s phrases won’t make you appear smart. We know you don’t understand what those words mean.

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      2. There is this fellow, a family friend. Extremely brilliant, a PhD. He was obsessed with emigrating to Israel for years. He had this fantasy of himself of reading Torah on a white rooftop.

        Finally, he did emigrate and discovered that aside from the Torah and the rooftop, there was a lot of less fun stuff. Fell into a major depression for years and grew completely disillusioned with Israel.

        And this is a man of 1 in a million intelligence.

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        1. And hey, forget about immigrants. Look at Americans who are supposed to have some grasp of the country where they live. How many of them dream of a magician who’ll raise taxes on banksters / deport illegals and solve all problems with this simple act?

          This is what human beings are like.

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