Coincidence

~ Clarissa

I’m sure it’s a total coincidence and has nothing whatsoever to do with hating women that every single middle-aged Liberal man in my blogroll virulently detests Hillary.

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  3. I see antipathy towards HRC from men and women, but the antipathy from the men has a different flavor even when they manage to avoid overt sexism.

    It’s actually quite funny to see people sizing up two very elderly politicians and deciding one is pure and outsidery while the other is a compromised insider. It’s almost like they’ve decided who they like better first and then searched for reasons to justify their choice. :p

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      1. Bernie Sanders is running as a Democrat. Yes he was an independent who caucused with the Democrats. . He is not an independent now. That’s why anybody knows who he is at all; that’s why he’s getting on the stage for any of these umpteen party primary debates.

        OT: I’m sure it’s just a coincidence we have a serious Jewish candidate running for a major party nomination and all of the white supremacists and KKK members are crawling out from under their rocks to endorse one of the Republican candidates who is leading in the polls. I hope he’s elected Secret Service protection.

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  4. While some liberal women prefer Sanders, I personally don’t know any women who despise H. Clinton with the same hearty vitriol that supposedly liberal men harbor towards her. It’s fine to prefer Sanders for whatever reason (there is a certain romance about his campaign) but for a liberal to DESPISE Clinton? Truly the only answer is sexism. It continues to make me nervous that she can’t take the national election. So many liberal men are threatening to stay him if she gets the nomination.

    And the intensity with which conservative men hate her? Also fueled by sexism. Clinton’s politics are virtually indistinguishable from Biden’s and conservatives are mostly neutral on him.

    It makes me so disillusioned. I think a part of me really thought that, with some glaring exceptions, we had mostly eradicated sexism in this country– or at at least mostly eradicated it among the liberal set. This election is making it sadly obvious how sexist this country truly is. 😦

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      1. Wait a minute….Clinton has a more liberal voting record than Biden. She and Bernie have voted the same way 90% of the time. Compare their voting records- it’s all there for public scrutiny.have seems that many of those who are howling for her speech transcripts don’t bother examining evidence that is readily accessible, because it undercuts their conspiracy theory.

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  5. I had wanted to ask you this after some earlier political posts and didn’t get around to it and I think this post is similar enough that it works. What are the acceptable ways that one might criticize Clinton? Similarly, what are the subjects that one can criticize Clinton about?

    Here are some examples.

    If someone objects to the amount of war in current American foreign policy, can someone criticize Clinton as a proponent of that based on her actions and recommendations for Iraq, Libya, and Syria? Similar to this, if someone views Kissinger as a monster soaking with the blood of 100,000s of innocents can someone criticize Clinton for the warmth of their relationship? Since I’m the someone I’ll note I view Obama in a similar light with additional negative points for torture and drone killings and this isn’t special vitriol directed at Hillary.

    If someone objects to the role of banks and wall street in current American politics and widening inequality can Clinton be criticized for accepting tens of millions of dollars from banks and wall street?

    What about Clinton accepting money from lobbyists for private prisons? Increasing arms deals to foreign government during her time as Sec of State?

    Can one say these things are negative attributes of a Clinton presidency? That they reflect poorly on her personally?

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    1. Right now, our collective choice is between Hillary and the fellow who has trouble repudiating the former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. I’m not sure how we got here but that’s our reality right now. We can tear into Hillary and hand the win to this wholesome fellow (or, in a best case scenario, to only a slightly less disgusting Marco Rubio). Or we could get Hillary into the White House and tear into her after that, pressuring her with all we’ve got to do a better job than she’s planning to. I’m suggesting we do the latter because the KKK icon is really scary.

      It’s the same thing that happened with Obama back in 2008. I wasn’t all that into the fellow but I saw Sarah Palin and knew that Obama had to be supported with all we had. And after he was elected, I felt very free to criticize him all day long.

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      1. That’s a fair point but it’s very different from the claim by yourself and others that criticism of Hillary is motivated by misogyny or if the criticisms are valid they are being expressed in misogynistic ways. Suddenly that has evaporated and we shouldn’t be criticizing Hillary to keep her electable. That hardly seems fair to all of the people smeared as misogynistic.

        Furthermore, we are hardly committed to a candidate at this point. That’s exactly the point of the ongoing primary process. If Hillary has problems as a president we can choose Bernie. If he has problems we can even look to other options. But we shouldn’t lock ourselves into Clinton vs trump and then bemoan that even though we wish Clinton didn’t have these problems she’s our only choice to defeat trump.

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        1. “If Hillary has problems as a president we can choose Bernie. If he has problems we can even look to other options.”

          • This is not a serious discussion.

          “That’s a fair point but it’s very different from the claim by yourself and others that criticism of Hillary is motivated by misogyny or if the criticisms are valid they are being expressed in misogynistic ways”

          • I said on many occasions that blaming a woman for the actions of her husband in his job is nothing but sexist. I can repeat this profound insight many more times if needed. 🙂

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  6. Well, 62 isn’t middle age, but I don’t dislike Hillary. I’m just disappointed about some of her positions and the way she has run the campaign to date. Her campaign has been classic in terms of modern politics: avoid taking specific positions that the GOP could use as fodder later in the year. That strategy has strengths and weaknesses. On the positive side, it avoids landmines and giving material to the GOP. On the other, it allowed Sanders (who, with the “socialist” label was never a viable national candidate) to create enthusiasm that won’t benefit her down the road. The very real risk is that Sanders fanatics will stay home on election day. Trump has fans, but also a lot of people who dislike him enough to stay home on election day. Normally, low voter turnout favors the GOP, but if minorities turn out and whites stay home, Hillary wins. That could be what happens.

    I think Sanders is correct on a number of issues. Regardless, much of the country isn’t ready to accept “socialism” — which many/most Americans still can’t distinguish from communism. They don’t know the difference.

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    1. Sanders is not even a real socialist. He never suggested nationalizing any industry. But he would be accused of wanting to do precisely that in a general election and he wouldn’t be able to refute.

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