Bastardization

~ Clarissa

Trump in North Carolina:

“If she gets to pick her judges, [there’s] nothing you can do folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know.”

Who are these people? What is their shared disease?

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        2. I was originally thinking that the shooter-father had attended a Clinton rally before the shooting and this had recently been discovered, but nope…. he’s right there behind her now.

          That is an effing disaster.

          And, I’m pretty sure he hasn’t really condemned what his son did do double wow.

          The US governtment likes to have a bunch of fringe political players on hand in case they can be pressed into service (clock boy’s dad seems to be one of these) but they could at least have the decency to keep their heads down…..

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  3. As the Bible says, “Cain slew Abel. . . . Go thou and do likewise.”

    As DNC Rapid Response wrote,

    Donald Trump really said this at a rally this afternoon:

    “If [Hillary Clinton] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know.”

    We cannot allow him to win this election. Pitch in $3 or more to make sure we beat him on Election Day.

    It is very easy to make a statement appear to be an incitement to murder by taking partial statements out of context. Here is the full text of Trump’s Second Amendment remarks:

    Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the Second Amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know. But — but I’ll tell you what. That will be a horrible day. If Hillary gets to put her judges — right now, we’re tied. You see what’s going on.

    You see what’s going on? We [are] tied because Scalia – this was not suppose to happen. Justice Scalia was going to be around for ten more years at least and this is what happens. That was a horrible thing.

    So now look at it. So Hillary essentially wants to abolish the Second Amendment. Now, speaking to the NRA folks – who are great…and I’ll tell you, they endorsed me.

    They endorsed me very early. My son’s a member. I’m a member.

    …We can add I think the National Rifle Association, we can add the Second Amendment to the Justices – they almost go – in a certain way, hand in hand. Now the Justices are going to do things that are so important and we have such great Justices, you saw my list of 11 that have been vetted and respected.

    Trump did not ask his followers to shoot Mrs. Clinton. He asked them to defeat her so that she would not be in a position to nominate Supreme Court justices hostile to the Second Amendment.

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    1. Politicians, especially the ones who run for high office, can’t afford to speak so carelessly that anything needs to be followed by mile-long explanations of context. This is bad no matter how you cut it.

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      1. Does that apply to Hillary? Did she really call for the assassination of Obama back in 2008, or did she just speak carelessly?

        Here’s an excerpt from a contemporaneous NY Times
        <a href = “http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?_r=1>article:

        BRANDON, S.D. — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defended staying in the Democratic nominating contest on Friday by pointing out that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June 1992, adding, “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.” . . .

        . . . .

        It was in the context of discussions about her political future that Mrs. Clinton made the remarks on Friday to the editorial board of The Sioux Falls Argus Leader. She had said that some people whom she did not name were trying to push her out of the race, but she noted that historically many races had gone on longer than hers.

        “My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?” she said. “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

        Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, which has refrained from engaging Mrs. Clinton in recent days, said her statement “was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.”

        Privately, aides to Mr. Obama were furious about the remark.

        Concerns about Mr. Obama’s safety led the Secret Service to give him protection last May, before it was afforded to any other presidential candidate, although Mrs. Clinton had protection, too, in her capacity as a former first lady. Mr. Obama’s wife, Michelle, voiced concerns about his safety before he was elected to the Senate, and some black voters have even said such fears weighed on their decision of whether to vote for him.

        It was against that backdrop that Mrs. Clinton’s mentioning the Kennedy assassination in the same breath as her own political fate struck some as going too far. Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, an uncommitted superdelegate, said through a spokeswoman that the comments were “beyond the pale.”

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    2. That was inappropriate from her but she had never insinuated that some of her voters could kill Obama. This was not the same thing.

      As a proponent of the 2nd Amendment, I find this Trump’s comment disgusting. And although Clinton wants too much control on firearms, SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REPEAL THE 2ND AMENDMENT, it’s virtually impossible to do that.

      And the 2nd Amendment is not about assassinating a Presidential Candidate, nor overthrowing a democratically elected regime, nor using terrorist tactics like ISIS to change a democratic decision, it’s about self-defence for mentally sane individuals against criminals.

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  4. I refuse to believe this was merely “sloppy” speaking on Trump’s part. Even reading Trump’s entire speech doesn’t make the comment different or better. He was actively suggesting that someone assassinate Clinton. The long rambling comments he made later do nothing to change the context of the initial incitement to violence. (And like Clarissa, I think that if he truly is that sloppy of a speaker/thinker, then he needs to exit political life immediately.)

    But this whole discussion thread is upsetting to me. Clarissa’s original post was focusing on an absolutely vicious attack on Clinton. And what does the (male-led) response to the post focus on? Outrage over violent rhetoric in the public sphere? Concern over the safety of Clinton in an age where gun violence and violence against women seem to go hand in hand? Nope. Instead the discussion immediately pivoted to discussing Clinton’s campaign foibles or a time when she misspoke back in 2008. Can’t we ever just concentrate on Trump and how horrible he is for five minutes without immediately moving to attack Clinton. These candidates are not equal. They are not equally flawed or equally bad or equally qualified. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is truly rank partisanship at best or, and this is what I suspect, disgusting misogyny at worst.

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    1. Evelina, it is not “sloppy” speaking at all.
      To paraphrase part of the link:
      The social function of this “joke “is to normalize the idea of assassinating Clinton for an in group. The defense of “just joking” or “sloppy” is an excuse made to people who are never meant to be in the in-group in the first place.

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      1. I agree with you completely. It’s not sloppy at all. It’s calculated and cruel. I’m just saying the “sloppy” argument doesn’t hold water either.

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    2. People have to tie themselves into increasingly complex knots to believe that Trump is a valid candidate.

      I gave the most charitable explanation possible, that he is simply sloppy. But even that is bad.

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  5. That was inappropriate from her but she had never insinuated that some of her voters could kill Obama. This was not the same thing.

    As a proponent of the 2nd Amendment, I find this Trump’s comment disgusting. And although Clinton wants too much control on firearms, SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REPEAL THE 2ND AMENDMENT, it’s virtually impossible to do that.

    And the 2nd Amendment is not about assassinating a Presidential Candidate, nor overthrowing a democratically elected regime, nor using terrorist tactics like ISIS to change a democratic decision, it’s about self-defence for mentally sane individuals against criminals.

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