What’s in European yoghurt (unflavored) that it’s so good? And what’s in American that it’s so not?
In other news, I solved the mystery of why it sucks to walk around the hotel. I forgot to check before booking whether it was a bad area. And of course ended up in a bad area. Why Germans made the decision to create bad areas in their cities remains shrouded in mystery.
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Whole milk with all the milk fat left in the yogurt, I suspect.
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My guess is that contains only milk and live yoghurt culture. No milkprotein, whey protein or milk permeate added to adjust protein or lactose content.
As for the migration I don’t know why Europe is commiting suicide.
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Both above commenters probably correct. US labeling rules allow a fair amount of re-constituted dairy parts to be added in, without necessarily saying so on the label. It’s pretty standard even for liquid milk, I think to keep the fat content consistent for 1%, 2%, and “whole” (varies in nature with breed of cow, feed, time of year, always 4% in the jug). In yogurt it’s done to thicken it. When I use the grocery store yogurt as a culture to make my own at home, it’s *always* thinner than the original. But tastes about the same.
So, the other variable is: they might be using a different yogurt culture. There are different bacterial strains used for yogurt, and they result in different textures and flavors. You can find at least six different starter cultures for home yogurt adventures here:
https://culturesforhealth.com/collections/cultures
…and if you have an Instant Pot, making a gallon of yogurt at a time, at home, is super easy. I’ve got a batch going right now– will be done tomorrow. First time I’ve tried starting a batch using the previous batch as a culture, so, fingers crossed!
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…plus flavor can vary *massively* with the quality of the milk used, and what the cows have been eating. Cows eating dry feed in barns (typical in US) is worlds different from cows in a pasture eating green grass.
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I make my own yogurt too. I use a high quality greek yogurt as a starter and have not purchased yogurt for more than an year now. In the winter I just wrap the container with a towel (and if it’s very cold, I’ll use a handwarmer/hotpack with the towel) to maintain temperature. When it’s warm, I don’t even need that. Just leave it on the counter at night and by morning it’s all done. Eazy peazy.
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How warm is your kitchen, typically?
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Pretty cold in the winter (Seoul, Korea) but I don’t use heating much because I run hot. That’s why I need to use the towel + hotpack when it’s very cold. Gets hot in the summer (indoor temp ~ 72 with an AC) which is ideal.
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LOL, I have a niece that still talks about eating peach icecream that my father made from the rich yellow cream of his Jersey cow more than 30 years ago ;-D
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Don’t understand how your concluding statement concerning “bad areas” has anything to do with your thesis “European yoghurt (unflavored).
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Probably fat. Almost any yogurt you see at the store here is reduced fat and I hate it. There are full fat options though, which I buy exclusively.
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“I forgot to check before booking whether it was a bad area”
I’m having flashbacks to Brussels. A colleague booked rooms for us for a working visit. Then one of the local contacts said “Oh…. that area” as if everyone knew which are good and bad neighborhoods and wouldn’t need any hints ahead of time….
It wasn’t quite Molenbeek (within walking distance of manneken pis) but it was mostly Moroccan, so trashbags on the street all the time (rather than just taken out before collection days). There were also Turks around or in a nearby place… apparently the many all-male tearooms were segregated by language or nationality….
But generally Moroccan Arabic was the main language I heard on the streets over the week (French decidedly in second place) hardly any Dutch even though we were visiting a Dutch language institution (Dutch speakers have mostly abandoned the city and commute in everyday).
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All night long, men were running around outside yelling in Arabic. Tons of drugged out migrants wandering around, looking anything but happy over being refugeed from what ever they were fleeing. If this was supposed to save the German welfare state, I fail to see how.
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“If this was supposed to save the German welfare state, I fail to see how”
I think that was an excuse at the time. The real goal of West European style migration policy is destruction of the state apparatus (DOGE by other means). But you can’t get the population to accept that in Europe so they yammer on about how migrants will save the economy (despite crystal clear data over decades that that doesn’t happen) or use the sins of colonialism to beat citizens who want a functioning nation state over the head until they submit.
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“anything but happy over being refugeed from what ever they were fleeing”
This thread from the always valuable Andrew Hammel is about Afghans in Germany but I’m sure almost all of it applies to ‘refuged’ Arabs that yell on the street at night too.
https://x.com/AndrewHammel1/status/1892166978229416072
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cliff, I always see only the first post in the thread “1/”.
Must I have an X account to read all of them?
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“Must I have an X account to read all of them?”
Probably… but here’s the whole thread in one page:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1892166978229416072.html
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Thank you, cliff! I forgot about this app. It’s really great.
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trying not to see others comments. Different kind of milk and more fat.
amanda
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