Don’t Do Illegal Shit

~ Clarissa

I told this story before but I will repeat it in light of the Abrego García scandal.

In 2008-9 I was working as a Visiting Assistant Professor at Cornell University. My contract there was to end on May 15, 2009. My new contract at my current university was to start on August 15 of that same year. I was at that time a citizen of Canada, which means I can enter the US without a visa as a tourist.

In March of 2009, I started receiving phone calls from Homeland Security, telling me that I had to remove myself from the country on May 15 when my work contract expired. This meant I had to leave on May 15, then re-enter as a tourist (because I wanted to be with N who was working in Baltimore), then leave again and re-enter on August 15 under my new work contract. This was very inconvenient and entailed a lot of expense that I could ill-afford.

However, it was the law of the US. I respected the law and did everything legally. Left, came back, left again, and came back again. I could have easily disregarded these requirements and nobody would have hunted me around to deport me. But it would have been illegal. I don’t do illegal shit. I strongly believe that this is the only correct and moral attitude to life.

N lived for 2 years in the US on a visa that allowed him to reside but not work. He could have easily worked illegally and nobody would have known. He got requests galore for some off-the-books work. He didn’t even consider them and lived off his savings, spending everything he had managed to save. Yet between the two of us, it wasn’t even a question whether to accept work without the correct immigration status. We didn’t even discuss it, it was so obvious to both of us that we weren’t going to break the law. You know how much money he could have made in those two years? A lot. But it wasn’t even tempting because it would have been illegal.

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  2. Speaking of illegal shit, have you heard about this?

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      1. This is why democracy doesn’t work in tribal cultures: primary loyalty is always to family/tribe/coreligionists, in that order. Anything democratic depends on primary loyalty being to nebulous higher principles like truth, justice, freedom, “the American Way”, etc.

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      2. This “community activist and ally” Dominique Alexander shook a 2 year old child until his brain hemorrhaged.

        Also, did you know that DOJ has a department of “community relations” that’s dispatched every time someone is murdered by the usual suspects to force the grieving parents to deny any racial connection to the crime? Sometimes literally hours after their child has been killed?

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  3. That’s the spirit, Clarissa. Honesty is the best policy. At least, if one is accused of something, one can still answer with a clean conscience.

    Stringer Bell: thank you. The dilemma remains: is it cultural? Is it genetic?

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    1. Avi

      “The dilemma remains: is it cultural? Is it genetic?”

      From what I have seen, it should not matter. Unless some deliberate force, e.g., race baiters, whether private or state, deliberately interupt, the youth will eventually intermarry. Leaders of nearby regimes used to intermarry their children deliberately to create kinship and ensure peaceful relations. Today, with DEI and other rquajjy stupid buggering around, the opposite is being created.

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      1. This was already happening among working-class people. I have no idea why the political class is so eager to move the needle backward– we had reached the point, in my neck of the woods, where 50% of white grandmas at walmart were toting around their adorable mixed-race grandkids and race was well on its way to not being important anymore. And this is the Deep South where that was a really big deal only 30-40 years ago.

        They must be getting some primo payoff from maintaining racial tensions.

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        1. methylethyl

          Politicians in both our countries, and I suspect everywhere, deliberately create resentment along both race and sex, because it often gets them elected. How else could you possibly get Kamala running for president ;-D

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        2. ”we had reached the point, in my neck of the woods, where 50% of white grandmas at walmart were toting around their adorable mixed-race grandkids and race was well on its way to not being important anymore.”

          With only the grandma there, how do you know these kids are the product of interracial marriages rather than interracial one-night stands?

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          1. I have no idea, but since hardly anybody in our tax bracket is getting married anymore, I don’t see that it matters much.

            Obviously I’d prefer that people get married and stay married as a prerequisite for having kids, but… that ain’t happening much for white people or black people these days, outside people I know from church. And there, it’s religion that’s the deciding factor, not race. Church people just as likely to have interracial children as anybody else AFAICT, but way more likely to be married.

            These are separate issues.

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    2. Black men had a limited for of the vote in the 19th century in SA. The real change began when white women were given the vote, which was a deciding factor in allowing the apartheid regime to come to power. Obviously the difference is genetic, but male vs female rather than racial.

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  5. How do you feel about student visas being revoked based on social media posts and minor legal infractions? I have seen at least one report that the feds are flagging student visas for revocation for minor things like speeding tickets. I always try to be on my absolute best behavior when I am abroad and would advise that to everyone. OTOH, revoking visas for traffic tickets seems a bit harsh and it could scare lots of talented people away from US universities.

    For what it’s worth, I wonder if one of Musk’s DOGE idiots has used a computer program to put together a list of people with criminal violations and it’s just sweeping up everything no matter how minor.

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    1. I hate people who speed. I don’t believe this is minor at all. These are horrible, horrible people who should all go away.

      However, to be honest, who are these international students with cars? Where do they get cars? Are they rich? Even in my graduate program at Yale, where everybody was wealthy, only two people had cars. None of the international students did.

      I do, however, oppose deporting people out of subservience to Israel. Which is what this social media posts drama is about.

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      1. I’m no fan of speeders, but it’s something we punish with fines that are a few hundred dollars at most. For better or worse, that is not something we as a society have deemed a serious offence.

        I would assume the international students with cars are either wealthy or have very old cheap cars because you can’t really get a loan when you’re on a student visa.

        I agree the stuff about social media posts is far more disturbing.

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    2. The few times I have been out of the country, I have been scrupulous about obeying the law, doing research on common legal mistakes made by tourists in the country I visited, just to be sure I didn’t miss anything stupid, and not getting into any kind of political conversations. Would never have dreamed of doing any kind of political activism– that’d be like showing up as a guest at someone’s house, and criticizing their cooking. Plus, when I’m that bad at the language, who knows how I might be misunderstood?

      The question was always: “what is the appropriate thing to do here?” Outside the US: I am a dumb, well-meaning tourist, I don’t know anything about any politics, I have never read a news article in my whole life, and your country is the greatest place I have ever visited: everything’s beautiful, the food is amazing, and the people are wonderful. If I noticed anything negative, I will bloody well keep it to myself until I get home.

      We did not try to stay in latin america, even though we loved it there, because we were unable to get legal work visas. We didn’t *want* to be there illegally.

      That said, despite our best efforts we did overstay our visas by about a week– we had a new baby, I could barely walk, and we showed up at the airport ready and willing to pay the $15/day fine for that, because we were not physically able to do the border run at that time, to renew our visas (yay poor planning). Our host country would have been *entirely* within its rights to deport us, and we are very grateful to have just paid a fine. But also, we looked all that info up ahead of time, to be sure we wouldn’t be in any kind of serious violation. Still… stuff happens, and I’m glad there was a wee bit of forgiveness built into the system.

      Traffic violations do seem like one of those things that maybe there should be some margin about… but at the same time, I never dared drive while overseas. Everybody’s got very different rules, both written and unwritten, and I do not remotely consider myself competent to manage any of the completely bonkers driving maneuvers that are standard practice where I was traveling: like that trick of waving an arm out the window to signal that you are about to turn left, from the right lane, across six lanes of heavy traffic… So before I offer blanket mercy for “traffic violations”… please tell me exactly what those traffic violations were. Because there are seriously a lot of driving customs overseas that will get you and several other people killed if you try them in the US– among them, driving drunk, driving at very high speeds, driving on sidewalks, treating traffic lights as a suggestion rather than a rule, turning left directly into oncoming traffic and easing your way across to the right, right-of-way belongs to the largest vehicle, speed limits are determined by quality of pavement, etc. Texas already has an enormous problem with unlicensed, uninsured, illegal migrant drivers who treat the TX roads just like the roads back home with lethal results.

      If you’re traveling in a foreign country, the foreign country makes the rules, and it’s up to you as a guest to respect them. I have no idea why that should apply to Americans traveling abroad, and not the rest of the world traveling in America. When US tourists get arrested for dope in their baggage in Russia or Thailand, what we say is: “wow, that was stupid”. There’s no reason why foreign nationals in the US should be some special case, like aww, they didn’t know any better?

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      1. I agree with you on proper behavior when visiting another country for a short time as a tourist.

        If one lives in another country for years on a student or work visa it becomes more of a grey area, as one gets to know the host country much better. Should one still not dare to express opinions?

        This is how I see it: Somebody did some calculation of how much it would cost to deport all those millions of illegal immigrants and concluded that the US has neither the resources nor manpower to do that. Besides, the optics of long columns of women, children and elderly marching under the armed escort to the Mexican border will be pretty bad. So the solution is instead to create an atmosphere of fear and make as many people as possible to self-deport. From this perspective, the government should deliberately do bad things to random people for minor reasons or no reasons at all. So some percentage of people sent to that El Salvadorean prison must have no criminal connections. Not as a result of “administrative error” but by design. So other illegal immigrants would not hope that having no criminal connections will buy them some leniency. From this perspective, Trump administration saying that someone is a criminal, or a terrorist, or an antisemite does not mean that someone really is any of those things, it is part of a different plan…

        Disclaimer: Me describing this does not constitute approval.

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        1. You are seeing the number of legal challenges mounted when the Trump administration does what overwhelming majorities of all voters (not just Republican) have wanted for over 20 years. It’s impossible to deport because the resistance is massive and well-funded. What would you suggest as an alternative in order to fulfill the wish of such a vast majority of the voters? How to deport en masse? If what you outline is the current strategy, which it well may be, what would be the alternative?

          One correction I want to make to what you say is that its utterly irrelevant if the deported people have criminal connections. They entered the country illegally. That is not a minor reason to deport them. Not in the perception of the overwhelming majority of citizens. It’s the only reason necessary. We either have countries as a functioning category or we don’t. Having entered a country illegally is not “no reason at all.” It’s a gigantic reason. We will all really hate living in the world where it truly becomes “no reason at all.”

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          1. There is a difference between deporting as in putting a person on a plane to his country where they will be free to go and putting people in prison. The latter should, ideally, if the goal is following the law, require much higher standards of proof of “criminality”. But if the goal is scaring people into self-deporting…

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            1. “a difference between deporting as in putting a person on a plane to his country where they will be free to go and putting people in prison”

              The people who supported opening the border are against that too. You’ll never satisfy those people so don’t even try.

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              1. There’s no way of ensuring what will happen to the migrants back in their own country that does not involve meddling in the sovereign affairs of another nation.

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            2. Or is your position that being an illegal immigrant in the US by itself is a crime punishable by the stay of unspecified length in El Salvadorean prison?

              As far as the will of the majority goes – I see it in a more complicated way. Maybe majority wants those illegal immigrants to just magically disappear in the way that does not hurt anybody… Most people want to feel good about themselves. I know very few people who really support hunting illegals down knowing what this actually entails.

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              1. “being an illegal immigrant in the US by itself is a crime punishable by the stay of unspecified length in El Salvadorean prison?”

                Who’s saying that?

                But crossing the border and staying illegally is definitely a crime punishable by deportation.

                It needs to be aggressively enforced going forward and less aggressively enforced going back in time (prioritizing criminals).

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              2. The Biden administration allowed millions of migrants to cross the border by way of paroling them in. This was done under the theory that the government knows where they are and is certain that they will appear at their hearings. How come this is now about hunting these people down? We were told many times that their location is well-known. How have they been receiving the financial assistance and housing if nobody knows where they are? These are millions of very recent arrivals. If these millions dispersed to unknown locations and nobody really knows where they are, that’s a catastrophe. If that really happened, somebody needs to bear responsibility. If that is what happened (which I don’t believe), then let’s discuss that. If it didn’t happen, then there’s no question of hunting anybody down.

                As for prisons in El Salvador, I respect national sovereignty. It is between the government of that country and its citizens how they organize their shared existence. Salvadorans massively love and support Bukele. Bukele didn’t invade anybody. He should be left in peace to fulfill the mandate he received from his citizens. It is simply not our business how he does that.

                And yes, I would say the same about Putin if he remained within the borders of his country.

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              3. cliff arroyo

                “It needs to be aggressively enforced going forward and less aggressively enforced going back in time (prioritizing criminals).”

                NO, they all have to go back, and any weasel wording will only make that more difficult. Even those illegal aliens that do work are undermining not only social systems such as welfare, education, and health, but damaging working class citizens by lowering their wages and working conditions.

                I am a Canadian and we face the same problems caused by the same mindless federal government policies of the previous American administration. Our election is in a few days, hopefully…

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        2. I have yet to see anybody claiming that the fellow in question… or any of the rest of them… have no criminal connections.

          I would have loved to stay a lot longer, on a work visa or something, in both of the countries I visited. They both had political situations that struck me as quite weird, and that I did not understand well, whether that was nominal Asian communism, or classic Latin American soap-opera crazy. I think I would have needed to be there for several years before I felt like I even knew enough to have something to say, and even then… still would not have engaged in any activism about it. Not my job as a foreigner to mess about with other countries’ politics. They have systems that are pretty inscrutable to me, but which are at least mostly functional for them. Not what I’m used to, but what I’m used to clearly wouldn’t work there. My politics are fairly idealistic at home, and amazingly utilitarian everywhere else.

          There are a lot of things that don’t make any sense in an American framework, that it’s impossible to make a blanket declaration on, elsewhere.

          When I visited VN, for instance, they still had something we in the US would classify as indentured servitude. Wealthy families would purchase children from poor families, raise them alongside their own children and train them to be the domestic help. Poor families would sell kids if they were unable to feed them. The American psyche recoils at this. But we met such families, and… the domestics were not treated poorly. As adults, they were free to leave, marry, whatever. If they’d stayed with their natural parents they’d’ve starved to death, or become brain-damaged from malnutrition (we met some of those as well), or became beggars and child prostitutes (also met some of those). It was likely the *best* thing that could have happened to them in the circumstances. That whole situation throws me off-balance and I do not feel competent to pronounce any moral judgements on it. It’s clearly an arrangement that sprang from dire necessity, and the “OMG ban that!* thing that Americans leap to would do more harm than good, if the dire necessity were not addressed first.

          There and elsewhere, I’m flummoxed by the system of petty bribery to get anything done. I try to avoid it. But I’m not going on an anti-bribery crusade either. That’s how things work over there. I don’t like it, I’m glad we don’t have to do that at home, and I admire the local anti-corruption activists, but I won’t be joining them, because I don’t get a say in that. I’m not a citizen or even a permanent resident, and I and my kids don’t have to live with the results. It is so just-the-way-things-work that I literally have a friend whose job (one among many) is “real estate facilitator”. It’s not real estate agent, that’s something different. What she does is, take the various parties in the transaction out to fancy coffee gardens, and make sure all the appropriate bribes are paid to the appropriate people and everybody’s happy and the transaction goes through as quickly and with as little friction as possible. Knowing this person (she knows where all the bodies are buried, apparently), her presence may also constitute a tacit threat as well. Win-win. In the US this would seem like a criminal enterprise–gangsters!– and I would avoid everyone involved. There… it seems quite above-board and I have nothing whatever to say about it, beyond “Tôi là người Mỹ ngu. Tôi không hiểu.” (I dumb American. I not understand). People hire her because she does a good job and makes everything go smoothly, in a really complex transaction where anything could go wrong and result in delay, or failure and the loss of large amounts of money.

          In any case, that stuff weirds me out a bit, but it’s also very complicated, and happens for complex economic and cultural reasons… and it’s not clear that there’s a better alternative available. I’m definitely not going to be poking at it and criticizing.

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          1. It is only the people who resided in another country or has had extensive contact with another culture who can understand the profound nature of cultural differences. Immigration is one of the biggest life traumas for most people. Many don’t do it as free agents of personal choice. There is a million factors that pushes them out of their country. It is not a cruelty but a kindness to have them go back and close the door for future migrants. Strong national borders with minimal migration in exceptional cases should be the norm. It will make everybody happier. Even furniture can’t be dragged around without breaking or getting damaged. People are even more delicate.

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  6. ”I hate people who speed. I don’t believe this is minor at all. These are horrible, horrible people who should all go away.”

    So 80% of people driving on the freeway should go away? Would you send them to that El Salvador prison if they’re not American citizens?

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      1. I get into one of the two leftmost lanes and go with the speed of the traffic there, which is about 20 over the mph limit.

        I obey the speed limit off the highway. I’ve been driving for over 20 years and have never caused an accident. The only accident I’ve ever had as a driver was when we came to a complete stop on the freeway and the car behind the car behind me slammed into it and that car – into me.

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        1. I too, go with the speed of traffic, at least when traffic is heavy.

          I’d vastly prefer to go the actual speed limit, less in inclement conditions, as those speeds are determined by the district, number of traffic lights, curves and grade of the road, to be the safest… but I don’t like getting rear-ended.

          How did we get to this point? Where everybody has to drive at an unsafe speed, in order to avoid causing traffic collisions? A few speed, no enforcement, then everybody has to go along with it or get run over.

          I’d very much like to see more heavy-handed enforcement on that.

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          1. ”And have you ever been arrested on the freeway? No, you haven’t. We are talking about people who have.”

            Oh, so you don’t define speeding as going over the speed limit. Got it.

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            1. It’s not about what I define but what the police does. We are talking about people who were so blatant about it that they were arrested. You know exactly what that looks on the highway. There are right bastards who weave around from lane to lane, creating dangerous situations. Why are we pretending we haven’t all seen and detested that behavior? What is the extreme necessity to detain such people in the country that is not theirs?

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      1. I’ve been pulled over when not driving particularly recklessly, tbh (never on the highway.) I think the police are more likely to pull over a young man, especially if he’s driving a particularly crappy car. It also depends *where* one is driving. In the suburbs here, police almost seem to be looking for an excuse to pull you over. In the city, any sane, noncriminal driver will be left alone.

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    ”It’s not about what I define but what the police does. We are talking about people who were so blatant about it that they were arrested. You know exactly what that looks on the highway. There are right bastards who weave around from lane to lane, creating dangerous situations. Why are we pretending we haven’t all seen and detested that behavior? What is the extreme necessity to detain such people in the country that is not theirs?”

    Are we talking about non-American citizens who committed such infractions on the freeway that they were arrested on the spot? I wouldn’t fight against their deportations.

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    1. We have no idea whether it was on the highway or in a scholar zone. What we do now was that they were caught speeding and their visas were revoked.

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        ”We have no idea whether it was on the highway or in a scholar zone. What we do now was that they were caught speeding and their visas were revoked.”

        A case where a foreign student or someone on an H1B visa was doing 82 in a 55mph zone on the highway, paid the ticket, and then had ICE agents connect that information to them also fits that definition. Do you approve of them getting sent to the tropical GULAG?

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        1. When Trump used the expression “shit hole countries”, there was a cry to the skies. Yet now it’s somehow fine to refer to the world outside the US borders as “tropical GULAG.” It’s funny how that works.

          Another question is whether you’d use Auschwitz as easily as you use GULAG as a bon mot.

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          1. Responding to “When Trump used the expression “shit hole countries”, there was a cry to the skies. Yet now it’s somehow fine to refer to the world outside the US borders as “tropical GULAG.” It’s funny how that works.

            Another question is whether you’d use Auschwitz as easily as you use GULAG as a bon mot.”

            I was referring specifically to that prison in El Salvador.

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            1. What reason do we have to assume that graduate students whose visas were revoked are Salvadoran? There are not huge crowds of Salvadorans in graduate schools, to put it very mildly.

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            2. If you’ve been tracking the news *at all*, you know the only people getting shipped to prison in El Salvador are members of gangs that have been declared foreign terrorist organizations.

              Are you arguing that a bunch of college students are going to get mistaken for TdA members?

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    2. OTOH, I don’t believe a word of anything said about “minor traffic infractions” here, because this is what MSM does with favored groups:

      https://notthebee.com/article/heres-another-example-of-why-bodycams-killed-the-blm-movement

      So as soon as someone goes off on the “OMG they deported somebody over a minor traffic infraction” — I assume they are lying outrageously about it until I see the actual record of the infraction, and preferably footage as well. You *cannot* trust that these people are telling the truth.

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      1. Again, if people visited, say, Latín American countries she saw what’s happening on the roads, they’d know that the extremely orderly, polite and restrained (in comparison) driving you see in America is not a natural state of humanity. The extraordinary rates at which Hispanic immigrants break traffic laws in the US are well-documented. We should not pretend that this is not happening because it’s un-PC to mention it.

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        1. For real. Latin America is where we learned about the delightful arm-waving custom. It apparently is semaphore for “I’m about to do something COMPLETELY INSANE with my car, so everybody watch out!”

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      2. When they say “minor traffic infraction” what they usually mean is “Got jumped up on amphetamines and tried to murder a police officer”.

        All that’s just a matter of perspective, right?

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  8. ““It needs to be aggressively enforced going forward and less aggressively enforced going back in time (prioritizing criminals).”“

    What I meant was that the first priority is to stop the flow, then get the worst criminals out. Working backwards in time. For better or worse i don’t think there’s much support for uprooting those who’ve been in the US for years and who are otherwise law abiding.

    Deporting criminals has very broad support and is only opposed by those who love criminals (most on the left) while deporting someone who crossed the border 15 years ago and hasn’t committed any crimes since and supports themselves… probably doesn’t.

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    1. We always end up talking about someone who came in 30 years ago, has 25 grandchildren and has a perfectly law-abiding for decades. As we there weren’t over a million people who have been here only a few months and have in no way integrated. Let’s repair what was broken under Biden, at least. It’s recent and should be easy to do.

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        1. “Critics say that Garcia’s case would need to be reopened, his affiliation with the gang proven, before a deportation order could be enforced.”

          This is deeply insane to me. When I was told that I had to remove myself or be deported in 2008, nobody tried to prove my connection to any gang. What happens since then that we can’t deport anybody without proving that they are in a gang?

          This is all deeply insane.

          And yes, how shocking that the guy turned out to be a wife beater. We are all absolutely stunned. Who could have possibly.

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          1. There is a difference between being simply deported and being sent to that awful prison.

            I’ve read the documents Leavitt posted online. The only proof of him being in a gang is a single allegation by an informant in 2019. The form says García said that he doesn’t fear being returned to El Salvador, and two paragraphs later it says he does. Sloppy.

            Do you think that Venezuelan makeup artist they sent to that tropical GULAG is still alive? Can you imagine an openly gay man being in a Latin American gang?

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            1. Once again, what happens to the citizens of El Salvador in their home country is none of our business. The US is already deeply hated in Latin America for its constant interference in the last 100 years. We should respect the sovereignty of those nations.

              The US did everything to inflict these gangs on Central America. You can Google the history of MS-13 and Barrio 18. We inflicted this horror on these people, prevented them from doing anything about it for decades because it was convenient, and are now lecturing them on the “awful prisons” they had to build to contain the horror we inflicted on them in the first place. This is immoral and wrong. We need to shut our mouths and stop prattling about how “awful” El Salvador’s efforts to solve the problem we saddled it with are. This supercilious attitude is not OK.

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    2. Yeah, I am not pleased with any of it, but can live with it. Biden opened the southern border to tens of millions. Trump closed it and is complaining about ours, and with good reason. Under the Liberals our visa policy has become increasingly corrupt, particularly the supposed international student visas scam.

      Some are actually students, but others work off the record. Many scam the food banks. Very few intend to work in their native homes. Some untend to stay here, but some hope to sneak into the USA. All use our medical services, and all require housing.

      Meanwhile our youth are boomeranging back home because they cannot afford rent. And I shouldn’t have to mention the behavior like Clarissa’s anger about the young males from Muslim countries in Montreal. We have a university and a college, women and girls face the same horseshit here.

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    1. Yes, but we haven’t had a deportation hearing #26 to determine if the previous 25 were correct. Doesn’t due process mean that every illegal gangbanger gets hearings in perpetuity?

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          1. A peach of a fellow:

            “In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

            That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. ‘In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,’ Vasquez told authorities.

            Later that day she left the residence they shared after being ‘afraid to be close to him,’ her request continued.

            Then in May 2021, after an argument at a gas station, the Salvadorian migrant punched and scratched his wife, ‘leaving me bleeding,’ Vasquez wrote.

            ‘I have multiple photos/videos of how [violent] he can be and all the bruises he has left me,’ she wrote.

            Despite her past testimony against her husband, Vasquez has been publicly supporting her husband amid his detention in El Salvador”

            He’s in MS-13, so she doesn’t have much options but to publicly support the bastard.

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            1. Every. Dang. Time.

              Leftie emotional manipulator media tells you you should feel sorry for somebody, it is a 100% guarantee they abuse their women and kids and sell drugs. 90% odds they are also pimps and probably kick puppies and rob old ladies too.

              Every noodle-headed MSM zombie who shows up in a combox whingeing about “oh, but they mistakenly” or “But what about the law-abiding” and “it hasn’t been proven that he’s a goatf***ing bastard who would sell his own mother for a dime bag and molested his girlfriend’s kids…”

              Maybe the appropriate response is: OK, great. You think he’s a saint. I’ll bet you $100 that within 2 weeks, we’ll see a violent criminal record, drugs, and DV at minimum. Not because there are no innocents out there being wronged by the system, but because MSM doesn’t champion innocents. They only champion violent, antisocial criminal bastards because they enjoy pissing on us and insisting it’s raining. See you back here in 2 weeks. Bring $100.

              Every. Dang. Time.

              How dumb do you have to be, to keep believing it?

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